Should The US Use It’s Capabilities To Destroy Iran’s Nuclear Capability?

[adav8s28]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

There were calls for impeachment every freaking day. Do you not recall any of that?

Shit, Clinton WAS impeached.
.

Yes, Clinton was impeached. That was because he had a relationship with Monica Lewinsky that was not appropriate.

[adav8s28]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

would Biden have saved the Jewry? or Harris?

Yes, they would have.

Iran did not cheat on the Obama Nuke deal. Trumps CIA director in 2017 confirmed that Iran was in compliance. Trump cancelled for no reason.

According to Albright Iran leadership did not issue an order to make an atomic bomb.

From the link:

David Albright, a former UN weapons inspector with a long track record of uncovering secrets about Iran’s nuclear programme, believes the country’s scientists could rush to manufacture a weapon “within six months” if ordered to do so.

So far, that order has not been made.




https://inews.co.uk/news/world/nucle...bright-3669280

[Jacky S]

The pro Iranian forces in the world would have the US wait until a bomb was sitting atop a missile, ready to fire.

President Trump did what no one else had the guts to do. He gave the order so our Military could get the job done.

[adav8s28]

Originally Posted by Jacky S

The pro Iranian forces in the world would have the US wait until a bomb was sitting atop a missile, ready to fire.

Not true. Post #2 calls for the Fordow plant to be bombed.

https://www.eccie.net/newreply.php?d...y&p=1063821043

[Salty Again]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

There were calls for impeachment every freaking day. Do you not recall any of that?

Shit, Clinton WAS impeached.
.

... Yes, Clinton was Impeached for lying about his affaires
and smacking women-about. ... Paula Jones and what-not.

His Impeachment had nothing to do with Afghanistan.

.... Please try to keep up with the discussion.

#### Salty

[offshoredrilling]

Originally Posted by adav8s28

Yes, they would have.

Iran did not cheat on the Obama Nuke deal. Trumps CIA director in 2017 confirmed that Iran was in compliance. Trump cancelled for no reason.

According to Albright Iran leadership did not issue an order to make an atomic bomb.

From the link:

David Albright, a former UN weapons inspector with a long track record of uncovering secrets about Iran’s nuclear programme, believes the country’s scientists could rush to manufacture a weapon “within six months” if ordered to do so.

So far, that order has not been made.




https://inews.co.uk/news/world/nucle...bright-3669280

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... Yes, Clinton was Impeached for lying about his affaires
and smacking women-about. ... Paula Jones and what-not.

His Impeachment had nothing to do with Afghanistan.

.... Please try to keep up with the discussion.

#### Salty

Clinton had nothing to do with Afghanistan. That was Bush.

Obama faced threats of impeachment and political attacks every day he woke up and was still black.

Please try and shake out those cobwebs, Salty. I know you’ve had a wild weekend. Looks to me like youve already worn out a whole pallet full of pompoms.

[Texas Contrarian]

Just reported by the Washington Post:

(If this is true, the aftereffects of the falling dominoes might do almost as much as the bombing missions to deep-six once and for all the future of the mullahs' nuclear weapons ambitions. Or it could be well said, in my view, that they go hand-in-hand!)


washingtonpost.com
Israeli warning call to top Iranian general: ‘You have 12 hours to escape’
Warren P. Strobel, Souad Mekhennet, Yeganeh Torbati
8–10 minutes

In the hours after Israel launched its first wave of strikes against Iran on June 13, killing top military leaders and nuclear scientists, Israeli intelligence operatives launched a covert campaign to intimidate senior officials with the apparent aim of dividing and destabilizing Tehran’s theocratic regime, according to three people familiar with the operation.

People working for Israel’s security services who speak Persian, Iran’s primary language, called senior Iranian officials on their cellphones and warned them that they, too, would die unless they ceased supporting the regime of Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Iran’s supreme leader, according to the three people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss clandestine operations. One of them estimated that more than 20 Iranians in positions of power were contacted.

The Washington Post obtained an audio recording and transcript of one such call, which took place the same day, June 13, that Israel began its bombardment of Iran.

The Washington Post obtained the audio file of an Israeli intelligence operative’s June 13 call to a senior Iranian commander. (Video: HyoJung Kim, Zoeann Murphy/The Washington Post)

“I can advise you now, you have 12 hours to escape with your wife and child. Otherwise, you’re on our list right now,” an Israeli intelligence operative told a senior Iranian general close to the country’s rulers, according to the audio recording. The operative then suggested that Israel could train weapons on the general and his family at any moment. “We’re closer to you than your own neck vein. Put this in your head. May God protect you,” he said.

The general, a member of Iran’s powerful Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, was told he had 12 hours to make a video disassociating himself from the Iranian government.

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“How should I send it to you?” the general replies.

“I will send you a Telegram ID,” the operative says, referring to the Telegram messaging app. “Send it.”

It is unclear if such a video was made or sent. The general is believed to be still alive and in Iran, said one of the people familiar with the operation. But a primary goal of the operation was to deter and confuse the Tehran leadership, a second person said.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s office did not reply to a request for comment.

The audio recording and an English-language transcript were made available by an Israeli individual who obtained the material and shared it with The Post, along with a description of a second such call to another senior Iranian official close to Khamenei. The Post prepared its own English-language transcript of the nearly four-minute audio recording of the conversation, which was conducted in Persian.

The individual who provided the recording said the content of the audio was not manipulated in any way, other than to mask the voice of the Israeli intelligence operative to protect his identity. The Post obtained the Iranian general’s name, but is not publishing it and has removed his voice from the recording to conceal his identity.

The phone calls to top Iranian military and security figures were one node of what Israeli security officials have described as a broad covert action campaign that complemented Israel’s military assault of nuclear sites, weapons production facilities and missile launchers.

The overall operation, dubbed “Rising Lion” by the Israeli government, relied on the activation of clandestine intelligence teams, pre-positioned weapons caches and other capabilities that had lain dormant inside Iranian territory for weeks or even months, Israeli officials said.

Netanyahu said Israel launched the surprise operation, now in its second week, to prevent Iran from building a nuclear weapon. The Israeli government said that in recent months, Iran was getting closer to being able to turn its stockpile of enriched uranium into a nuclear weapon. Israel has offered no new detailed evidence of Iran’s nuclear weapons ambitions or weaponization efforts. Current and former U.S. officials said that while they have intelligence that Iran was researching techniques that would allow it to build a crude nuclear device quickly if it chose to, there was no sign it had made a decision to acquire an atomic bomb.

President Donald Trump ordered a multipronged attack on Iran’s nuclear sites this weekend using earth-penetrating ordnance dropped from B-2 Spirit bombers and Tomahawk cruise missiles launched from submarines. The weapons struck the deeply buried uranium enrichment facility at Fordow, as well as nuclear sites at Natanz and Isfahan.

Top Pentagon officials said the three sites suffered “severe damage,” but added that it was too soon to say whether Iran retained some nuclear capability.

The U.S. military strikes came eight days after Israel launched its assault on Iran. In the opening hours of Israel’s attack, members of Khamenei’s inner circle and top figures in Iran’s nuclear brain trust were killed, in some cases apparent casualties of explosives-packed drones or other devices that blew holes in the sides of apartment high-rises and other structures in central Tehran, according to Israeli and Western security officials, as well as regime statements on known casualties.

Those targeted and believed killed include Maj. Gen. Hossein Salami, commander of the IRGC’s Quds Force, which oversees Iran’s proxy militias; Maj. Gen. Mohammad Bagheri, an IRGC veteran who was the chief of Iran’s armed forces; and Fereydoon Abbasi-Davani, a nuclear physicist and major figure in Iran’s nuclear development.

The Israeli operative emphasized those assassinations in his phone call to the Iranian general. “I’ll explain to you, listen carefully. I’m calling from a country that two hours ago sent Bagheri, Salami, Shamkhani, one by one, to hell,” the operative tells the general.

The operative’s list of the dead included Vice Adm. Ali Shamkhani, the former head of Iran’s Supreme National Security Council. Iranian media reported last week that Shamkhani, while seriously injured, had survived the Israeli attack and sent a message to Khamenei promising, “The dawn of victory is near” for Iran.

Israel has shown before that it has the ability to conduct targeted assassinations in Tehran. Last July, it killed the leader of Hamas, Ismail Haniyeh, using an explosive device smuggled inside the state-run guesthouse where Haniyeh was staying in the Iranian capital.

The covert intimidation campaign against key Iranian figures who survived, or were not targeted in, the initial round of Israeli strikes involved several of Israel’s security and military agencies and was aimed at striking fear into second- and third-tier figures, according to two of the people familiar with the operation. The goal was to make it harder for Khamenei, who controls Iran’s national security policy, to fill the positions of those Israel killed.

“The second-tier leadership that is supposed to inherit the positions and now fill in the places of those who have been eliminated, they are terrified,” said one of the people familiar with the operation. “And they are being reminded on a personal level about what happened to the successor of Nasrallah and the successors of Hezbollah commanders who were eliminated as well.”

The official referred to Hasan Nasrallah, the leader of Iranian-backed Hezbollah in Lebanon whom Israel assassinated in an airstrike in September. Israel later killed Nasrallah’s likely successor.

“Khamenei is facing serious difficulties to nominate successors for the positions of officials that were eliminated in the operation,” the official said. “And even if he succeeds to do so, these are people he didn’t choose in the first place. Because the more serious ones are refusing to take the positions now.”

Western security officials said they have not seen indications of defections among high-ranking members of Iran’s military or the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps.

The Israeli official said that some senior Iranian figures received a warning letter under the door, some received a phone call directly and others were contacted via their spouses. “They fully understand that they are transparent and known to us and that our intelligence penetration is 100 percent.”

Some of the senior Iranian officials have been contacted several times, resulting in a dialogue between them and Israeli intelligence, one of the people familiar with the operations said.

Greg Miller in London contributed to this report. Video and audio editing by Zoeann Murphy and HyoJung Kim.

[Michael8219]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Looks to me like youve already worn out a whole pallet full of pompoms.

We should all be cheering the f*ck out of ourselves for the men and women of our armed forces. Damn proud of them!

Go KC130J jockeys!

[Tiny]

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[Tiny]

From Russian ex-President and ex Prime Minister, and current Chairman of the Security Council of Russia, Dmitry Medvedev, posting on X yesterday (June 22),

2. The enrichment of nuclear material — and, now we can say it outright, the future production of nuclear weapons (in Iran) — will continue.
3. A number of countries are ready to directly supply Iran with their own nuclear warheads.

https://x.com/medvedevrussiae?lang=en

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Great posts in this thread, including Michael's just above.

If the USA drops bunker busters on Iranian nuclear facilities, there's a good chance America gets drawn into the war. Iran will retaliate, the U.S. may escalate, and the next thing you know we've got a mess.

Iran needs a face saving way out of this. Without one the mullahs will continue the fight.

Well it looks like the official retaliation has started.

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/ira...us-latest-news

Iran Fires on U.S. Base in Qatar, as Gulf Neighbors Close Air Space

Iran’s military said it attacked Al Udeid in Qatar, the biggest U.S. base in the Middle East. Qatar said it intercepted a rocket attack. Officials said Iran also fired on Iraq.

Iran launched missiles at a U.S. base in Qatar and at Iraq, where the U.S. keeps military facilities, officials said. The U.A.E, Bahrain and Kuwait closed their air spaces. Qatar said it intercepted a rocket attack and there were no casualties.

Earlier, Israel continued to strike targets in Iran but was looking to end its war soon, officials said. The U.N.'s atomic-agency chief said U.S. attacks on Iran’s Fordow enrichment site likely caused “very significant damage.” Israel followed up with strikes to entry points to Fordow. Israel's attack on symbols of the Iranian regime, including a prison where political prisoners are held, was a signal to Iranians that the regime is fragile, said an Israeli lawmaker.

The Iranian regime’s clerical leaders now risk widening a war with two militarily superior foes, the U.S. and Israel.

Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, in what appeared to be his first comments since the U.S. attack, didn’t mention the U.S. and instead focused on Israel in a post on X. Israel made a “grave mistake” and “it is being punished right now,” the post said.

Iran's response defied leaders in Europe who urged Iran not to respond in a way that would “destabilize the region.” President Trump had given no ground on his demand for Iran to agree on the U.S.’s terms for a peace deal. Trump on Sunday didn’t rule out backing a change in Iran’s leadership.

What else to know:
Russian President Vladimir Putin met with Iran's foreign minister in Moscow, saying the strikes by the U.S. over the weekend weren't justified and that Russia was taking steps to help the Iranian people.

Iranian military officials said Sunday’s strikes against the country's nuclear facilities had violated Iranian sovereignty, making the U.S. a party to the war and its assets legitimate targets.

Half a dozen ships have diverted course on the way to the Strait of Hormuz, the crucial waterway connecting the Persian Gulf to global markets since Sunday.
The U.S. warned about the threat of retaliatory actions due to the U.S. military strikes against Iran, including hate crimes and cyberattacks

[VitaMan]

This thread has drifted far from the original topic.


Actually, since the weapons were used, maybe it is time to close this thread.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

Well it looks like the official retaliation has started.

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/ira...us-latest-news

Iran Fires on U.S. Base in Qatar, as Gulf Neighbors Close Air Space

Iran’s military said it attacked Al Udeid in Qatar, the biggest U.S. base in the Middle East. Qatar said it intercepted a rocket attack. Officials said Iran also fired on Iraq.

Iran launched missiles at a U.S. base in Qatar and at Iraq, where the U.S. keeps military facilities, officials said. The U.A.E, Bahrain and Kuwait closed their air spaces. Qatar said it intercepted a rocket attack and there were no casualties.

Hopefully the U.S. doesn't retaliate and Iran doesn't launch more attacks on U.S. bases. Let's cross our fingers.

[Texas Contrarian]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

Well it looks like the official retaliation has started.

Since they gave Qatar prior warning before the launches, it appears likely that the Iranians had no intention of actually striking the US base, since the heads-up made a successful interception so much more likely.

But this gave the mullahs a chance to get some dramatic fireworks displays on TV ... so they could say, in essence: "Look! We're striking the Great Satan!"