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02-15-2016, 01:48 PM
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However she asked me who I am and stated that because she doesn't recognize my number, she knows that she hasn't seen me before. So calling me a liar because I changed my number. I guess people don't do that where she's from.
She asked him who he was and stated she didn't recognize the number... At that moment he should have told her his old number & that this was his new number..
But he didn't do that because he stated this ...
Instead I give her my name and description.*
So she has every right to accuse him of lying because if you have nothing to hide providing your old number shouldn't be an issue...
So with that being said I still stand by my opinion all of this could have been avoided by giving his old number but no he didn't want to...
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02-15-2016, 01:52 PM
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Mad sleuthing skills and a winky whisperer? Borderline unfair.
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02-15-2016, 02:05 PM
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#108
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Mad sleuthing skills and a winky whisperer? Borderline unfair.
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It comes natural
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02-15-2016, 02:25 PM
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If he had nothing to hide & has seen her like he says then telling her who he was shouldn't have been a problem period
There is more to this story
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Whether or not he had something to hide is not relevant. There was no reason he needed to prove himself at that point to begin with. If there's no reason to identify himself, why would he? It wasn't unreasonable to ASK initially, but at that point, if there's no actual meeting being set up and no further information being requested, why does it matter if he's lying or not or who he is? If he was lying, he's not going to just hand over evidence that proves he is lying, and the damage was already done anyway(if you consider answering the question "damage"). If he wasn't, then who cares?
If some person you were talking to, say, in line at the grocery store, having a normal conversation, asked to see your ID to make sure you didn't lie about what your name is, would you hand over your ID? You don't have anything to hide after all.
I certainly wouldn't. If there's no actual reason they need to verify my identity, they don't have any right to demand I prove myself. They have the right to stop talking to me, sure, but that doesn't mean I'm in the wrong for not showing them.
Given how defensive he's been and how big a deal he's made of it, I would not be surprised if there was more to the story. But AS IT'S PRESENTED, he was not in the wrong until at LEAST after he decided to post about it.(Not going to argue the exact point he overreacted, just that he did at some point). I' not arguing he IS in the right, I'm arguing that in his version of the story, he was right, but is blowing it out of proportion.
There are legitimate reasons to not want to give out the old number. Like for example, trying to distance the old number from future hobbying, or trying to distance HIMSELF from the old number(both of which could be true for both good and bad reasons). I would even consider "principle" to be enough. I have refused to prove something before just because there was no reason for me to have to, and the other person was being belligerent. Not saying that's the case here, I'm just saying, again, that AS HE PRESENTED THE STORY, he didn't do anything wrong that I can see.
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02-15-2016, 02:39 PM
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Whether or not he had something to hide is not relevant. There was no reason he needed to prove himself at that point to begin with. If there's no reason to identify himself, why would he? It wasn't unreasonable to ASK initially, but at that point, if there's no actual meeting being set up and no further information being requested, why does it matter if he's lying or not or who he is? If he was lying, he's not going to just hand over evidence that proves he is lying, and the damage was already done anyway(if you consider answering the question "damage"). If he wasn't, then who cares?
Well if there was no reason to prove himself then why did he continue communication? Obviously he felt the need to try and attempt to bullshit her with a description of himself.. when he could have simply gave his old number & been done with it.. But he chose to continue communication by attempting to describe himself which lead her to then ask for a picture...
You don't see the big picture here which is what I have said over and over if he would have just told his old number none of this other stuff would have happened he asked for it.. If you want to continue to defend a tard then your just as much of a tard as himself...
If some person you were talking to, say, in line at the grocery store, having a normal conversation, asked to see your ID to make sure you didn't lie about what your name is, would you hand over your ID? You don't have anything to hide after all.
I certainly wouldn't. If there's no actual reason they need to verify my identity, they don't have any right to demand I prove myself. They have the right to stop talking to me, sure, but that doesn't mean I'm in the wrong for not showing them.
You can't give me a scenario of a legal situation and compare it to a whore and trick situation it doesn't compare...
Given how defensive he's been and how big a deal he's made of it, I would not be surprised if there was more to the story. But AS IT'S PRESENTED, he was not in the wrong until at LEAST after he decided to post about it.(Not going to argue the exact point he overreacted, just that he did at some point). I' not arguing he IS in the right, I'm arguing that in his version of the story, he was right, but is blowing it out of proportion.
You are arguing that he is right because you keep trying to explain to me why he shouldn't have to explain who he is when he made an attempt to do so in a ignorant way...
There are legitimate reasons to not want to give out the old number. Like for example, trying to distance the old number from future hobbying, or trying to distance HIMSELF from the old number(both of which could be true for both good and bad reasons). I would even consider "principle" to be enough. I have refused to prove something before just because there was no reason for me to have to, and the other person was being belligerent. Not saying that's the case here, I'm just saying, again, that AS HE PRESENTED THE STORY, he didn't do anything wrong that I can see.
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There is no legitimate reason for not giving the old number she has it in her phone so its not like nobody knows the funky ass number... Trying to distance himself from the old number from future hobbying makes zero sense.... If a client contacts me & says they change there number i delete the old one & save the updated one... He probably was a problem from the get go so he didn't want to expose himself to her...
If you don't see anything wrong with this story then you deserve any name calling to if it comes to that in the future im done i made my point
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02-15-2016, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Dorthy_Monroe
However she asked me who I am and stated that because she doesn't recognize my number, she knows that she hasn't seen me before. So calling me a liar because I changed my number. I guess people don't do that where she's from.
She asked him who he was and stated she didn't recognize the number... At that moment he should have told her his old number & that this was his new number..
But he didn't do that because he stated this ...
Instead I give her my name and description.*
So she has every right to accuse him of lying because if you have nothing to hide providing your old number shouldn't be an issue...
So with that being said I still stand by my opinion all of this could have been avoided by giving his old number but no he didn't want to...
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You didn't read this obviously
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02-15-2016, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by GJT0530
There was no reason he needed to prove himself at that point to begin with.
I think most agree with you on that.
Given how defensive he's been and how big a deal he's made of it, I would not be surprised if there was more to the story.
I suspect you are correct here too.
I'm not arguing he IS in the right, I'm arguing that in his version of the story, he was right, but is blowing it out of proportion.
Which is where he is taking most his grief
There are legitimate reasons to not want to give out the old number. Like for example, trying to distance the old number from future hobbying, or trying to distance HIMSELF from the old number(both of which could be true for both good and bad reasons).
But if he is, then he has no reason to be upset that she doesn't connect the "new" him with the "old" him. He did not take reasonable precautions to make things go well.
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Some fault on both sides. Nothing either one did is a hanging offense. This keeps going on mostly because HE won't let it die--in at least three cities now.
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02-15-2016, 02:44 PM
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Some fault on both sides. Nothing either one did is a hanging offense. This keeps going on mostly because HE won't let it die--in at least three cities now.
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Thats just proves he had something to hide and whichis why he didn't give his old number
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02-15-2016, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Dorthy_Monroe
There is no legitimate reason for not giving the old number she has it in her phone so its not like nobody knows the funky ass number... Trying to distance himself from the old number from future hobbying makes zero sense.... If a client contacts me & says they change there number i delete the old one & save the updated one... He probably was a problem from the get go so he didn't want to expose himself to her...
If you don't see anything wrong with this story then you deserve any name calling to if it comes to that in the future im done i made my point
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Alright, this will be my last post responding to you, because frankly, you're kindof being a jackass. I'm not defending HIM, I'm specifically countering the idea that he was somehow obligated to prove himself. I've been very clear that I am not saying he's telling the truth, or that he's in the right, that he's massively overreacting, and that he IS in the wrong(just not for the primary reason i'm seeing argued) I'm specifically saying that a particular argument against him is flawed.
Additionally, really, you say "I'm done, I made my point" and then make two more posts on the matter right after? I did in fact read that post, though not until after my previous post. It just didn't change anything. She had the right to think he was lying. But there was no reason to pursue it since he wasn't asking for anything else, legal OR illegal, at that point.
Old-T, I'll give that he doesn't have the right to be upset that she didn't connect the "old" to the "new". That wasn't how I read it originally, I read it as getting upset that she insulted him and was trying to make him prove himself to begin with. Which again, I'm not going to argue that him being upset was or wasn't justified, I'm specifically addressing whether him not wanting to jump through any particular hoops to identify himself at all was justified, which I believe that it was(assuming he's not outright lying, again), since she didn't have a reason to NEED him to prove anything. I definitely agree that even IF he's telling the truth, he's also at fault, I just don't believe THAT is where his fault lies.
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02-15-2016, 05:07 PM
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Peace, GJT. I have no argument with what you said.
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02-16-2016, 06:31 AM
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Thats just proves he had something to hide and whichis why he didn't give his old number
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I have something to hide.
Would like your assistance in doing so.
please arrange Austin tour asap.
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02-16-2016, 06:54 AM
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I have something to hide.
Would like your assistance in doing so.
please arrange Austin tour asap.
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Ha ha
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02-16-2016, 01:58 PM
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Ha ha
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So your saying there's a Chance!!!!
YES!!!!#
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02-16-2016, 02:45 PM
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So your saying there's a Chance!!!!
YES!!!!#
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I went to Austin once & will never return sorry darlin
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02-16-2016, 05:26 PM
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Holy Shitake! I can't believe this is still going!
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