I LOVE YOU SAID THE CLIENT

[acp5762]

Originally Posted by Old-T

Man, you come across as one cold hearted guy. I read nothing that said he spends time with one at the expense of the other. I travel a lot--and as I related earlier in this thread I have met two ladies who are each very special to me in their owm ways. I see each when I am in their city for work--that is not at all "at the expence" of the other.

So we should have no empathy, compassion, or concern for a pregnant woman just because it isn't our child? Nice to know the candle of charity burns brightly inside you.

Your assume a down on her luck lady is "probably only using you" based upon what? The nature of her business? I obviously can't know the tone in your voice as you make these posts but as I read them I can hear the disparaging tone as you refer to the ladies in this business. Combining that and your other posts in this thread you project a pretty clear message. Just not one I can agree with at all.

Sorry you feel that way. But if you read between the lines a bit would have seen my point. But I take responsibility for my actions and I don't pay for other people's mistakes. If I was married and had my own child how can you account for patronizing and spending time with a pregnant prostitute. It has nothing to do with empathy or compassion. It has to do with being practical. You actually lack more empathy and compassion than you realize. You come off more as a " Bleeding Heart" you lack a great deal of insight and personal authority in my opinion.

[Anita Lay]

hmmmmmm, uhhhhhh, personality traits are what makes us all so unique and different. If everyone thought the same thing it would be a boring azz world.

[Old-T]

Originally Posted by acp5762

Sorry you feel that way. But if you read between the lines a bit would have seen my point. But I take responsibility for my actions and I don't pay for other people's mistakes. If I was married and had my own child how can you account for patronizing and spending time with a pregnant prostitute. It has nothing to do with empathy or compassion. It has to do with being practical. You actually lack more empathy and compassion than you realize. You come off more as a " Bleeding Heart" you lack a great deal of insight and personal authority in my opinion.

So it's OK to patronize and spend time with a lady so long as she's not pregnant? I am completely mssing how practicality is a function of whether she is pregnant.

You take responsibility for your actions, good or bad. I applaud you for that. Seriously.

You don't pay for other people's mistakes. Your choice. But to equate someone making a mistake--or maybe it was not a mistake--with "probably only using you" I again don't follow. Is anyone who walks near a pregnant lady carrying someone else's child "being used"? It seems a very broad brush, very negative comment tarring all pregnant providers as conwomen, and any man who spends time with them a fool.

As to my empathy or compassion, I'm not sure I follow where that conclusion came from but you have the right to categorize me as you wish. I claim no personal authority, just opinions from my biased view of the universe.

[Anita Lay]

Does testerone has anything to do with challenging and being synical towards one' thoughts? View points are not right or wrong unless you are in court.

[acp5762]

Originally Posted by Old-T

So it's OK to patronize and spend time with a lady so long as she's not pregnant? I am completely mssing how practicality is a function of whether she is pregnant.

You take responsibility for your actions, good or bad. I applaud you for that. Seriously.

You don't pay for other people's mistakes. Your choice. But to equate someone making a mistake--or maybe it was not a mistake--with "probably only using you" I again don't follow. Is anyone who walks near a pregnant lady carrying someone else's child "being used"? It seems a very broad brush, very negative comment tarring all pregnant providers as conwomen, and any man who spends time with them a fool.

As to my empathy or compassion, I'm not sure I follow where that conclusion came from but you have the right to categorize me as you wish. I claim no personal authority, just opinions from my biased view of the universe.

It's quite obvious we have completely opposite views on not only prostitution but marriage, and probably life in general. The original poster, if you read his post stated his marriage was troubled. So he has befriended a prostitute that he has seen. Now she's pregnant, by whoever. From what I gather he sees her off the clock. Takes her shopping, takes her to dinner, movies ect. He has a wife and a daughter, thats where his focus needs to be. If you think I am picking on her only because she's pregnant, well not entirely. But he is going beyond the escort client relationship. The further along she gets the less she may be able to function as an escort. The possibility of her depending on the OP just simply isn't remote. The OP could be putting himself in a bad place simply because he thinks he has genuine feeling for this girl. Iam not going to condone this scenario. Just because I don't find it commendable for a married man with a child to dote over a prostitute, pregnant or otherwise doesn't make me an uncompassionate person. In fact I am much more the opposite. I don't need the approval of prostitutes or those who patronize them. I think you have a need to appease them and gain their approval. Thats why you don't agree with my response to the OP.

[acp5762]

Originally Posted by sketchball82

I have a cousin that married an escort he got close to. He was military and married her when he got back from Iraq. She left the biz. Everyone in the family knows, but no one acknowledges it or talks about it. ... except when they aren't around of course.

Yeah, I am sure they do talk about her behind her back. They may think of her as used merchandise. But if she's sincere about being married I commend her for leaving the Biz. I wish them both the best of luck.

[sketchball82]

Originally Posted by acp5762

Yeah, I am sure they do talk about her behind her back. They may think of her as used merchandise. But if she's sincere about being married I commend her for leaving the Biz. I wish them both the best of luck.

The family talks about how they met more than they do "her" per se, at least that was the gossip back in the day. New drama/gossip has come up and the way they met has faded into the wind. For most people, it's quite the scandal, but as a newbie hobbyist, I find it mildly amusing.

They are a great couple and are fun and engaging people. XD It's a real pleasure when I get to hang out with them. They are BIG Nashville Predators fans, and it's awesome getting into some team spirit with them.

[acp5762]

Originally Posted by sketchball82

The family talks about how they met more than they do "her" per se, at least that was the gossip back in the day. New drama/gossip has come up and the way they met has faded into the wind. For most people, it's quite the scandal, but as a newbie hobbyist, I find it mildly amusing.

They are a great couple and are fun and engaging people. XD It's a real pleasure when I get to hang out with them. They are BIG Nashville Predators fans, and it's awesome getting into some team spirit with them.

Well besides all the drama. At least you're having a good time with them.

[Old-T]

Originally Posted by Anita Lay

Does testerone has anything to do with challenging and being synical towards one' thoughts? View points are not right or wrong unless you are in court.

Anita, I agree with you about viewpoints not being right or wrong, which is why I rarely say my view of the world is appropriate to anyone else. But in the same way I do find it troublesome when others make very broad statements about "everyone", or "men", or "women". Especially when they imply that there is a right mindset that all should agree with.

As to the first point you make, I think you read my comments as more challenging that they were intended. It's hard to hear tone or see body language on a message board, but envision me sitting around a table with a virtual cup of coffee and a cigar (though in reality I don't smoke it's a nice visual) discussing the topic after dinner. I do poke at comments I don't understand, or ones that seem contradictory. I do push back on broad statements I don't agree with. I enjoy a good debate with a lady or a man. But I am rarely anrgy or beligerent in my intent. And when I am, it becomes VERY obvious!

[Old-T]

Originally Posted by acp5762

It's quite obvious we have completely opposite views on not only prostitution but marriage, and probably life in general.

I suspect that's probably true. But that is what allows for discussion. If we all saw the world the same way it would be exceedingly dull.

But he is going beyond the escort client relationship.

Here is the fundamental difference you refer to above: what is the escort-client relationship. I admit that with some ladies I have developed a much broader (and sometimes more complicated) relationship than you seem interested in. That is not a derogatory comment at your interests--just a statement.

The further along she gets the less she may be able to function as an escort. The possibility of her depending on the OP just simply isn't remote. The OP could be putting himself in a bad place simply because he thinks he has genuine feeling for this girl

Here is another place we obviuosly disagree: I do not know his situation financially. My ATF had a benefactor who supported her with a LOT more than dinners and a little shopping. He also had an 8 figure annual salary and it didn't impact how he took care of his wife/kids at all. I help out several ladies on an occasional basis. It comes at the expence of a nice dinner skipped, or a lesser pair of shoes I buy. I decide what I value and spend my money accordingly. I will not judge against the person who chooses the good shoes or the one who chooses the warm coat for a lady. I do agree it should not intrerfere with his support for a wife or family, but if it only impacts him, why is that a bad choice?

As to "genuine feelings", contrary to what you might think they do occur among some people in the business. If that's somewhere you have not been or don't want to go, again that's your choice. It always amazes me that people who have not had such experiences always seem to insist they don't happen, no matter how many counter examples are given. An no, "genuine feelings" does NOT have to mean "In love with".

I don't need the approval of prostitutes or those who patronize them. I think you have a need to appease them and gain their approval. Thats why you don't agree with my response to the OP.

No, you have it backwards. In my case the genuine friendship occurs first, and never once was it the aim. I don't think a person can "try" to pick out a person and become real friends. It just happens. And before you think otherwise in my case it doesn't happen "all the time". In 30+ years, maybe 8 or 10 ladies have become close friends. Helping them with some tuition money, of babysitting their kids occasionally, or driving them to see their father in the hospice because she is too emotional to drive happens after the frenship has developed. It doesn't "appease" anyone.

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[acp5762]

Old-T


I am going to try my best not to break this down to much. This last post of yours reveals something interesting, and something I've suspected on this Forum for a long time. Like yourself many Hobbyist have been patronizing Escorts for an extremely long time. I've heard 15-20-25 and 30 years. By this time it's typical for hobbyist to find relationship value in their encounters with escorts. I think that is where the Sugar Baby/Sugar Daddy interests begin. Interactions outside the realm of the hobby take place because of the establishment of friendships. Such a friendship with an escort are really higher levels of escort client interactions, but are viewed as friendships that no longer have any affiliation with prostitution. Thats really all your point is.

[Old-T]

Thanks, I think that's a very well worded description. It is a variation on the theme--neither better or worse.

[Anita Lay]

My statement of challenging or synical had nothing to do with anyone's writings. I was thinking out loud. Some men & women have a thing about competition,out doing the other,having the last say or debating if something is right or wrong. We all learn new points never considered and bring a new perspective to the table. One may show certain feelings or the other has stronger feelings geared towards something else thats totally different. Both had great points.
We all have the same interest at heart, the need of physical contact.

[acp5762]

Originally Posted by Anita Lay

My statement of challenging or synical had nothing to do with anyone's writings. I was thinking out loud. Some men & women have a thing about competition,out doing the other,having the last say or debating if something is right or wrong. We all learn new points never considered and bring a new perspective to the table. One may show certain feelings or the other has stronger feelings geared towards something else thats totally different. Both had great points.
We all have the same interest at heart, the need of physical contact.

Yeah, it's personality conflicts. I'll ease a little tension for ya too sweety. It seems most personalities here conflict with mine. I think that many portray me as being cynical or uncompassionate, combative and what not. If anyone wants to say that, Iam really not, but I'll be that. I am not going to change my style of play here. Getting the last word in really isn't important to me. Because I know what my point is. If others don't. Then thats a problem for them. It's not a problem for me. To be smarter and wittier than the other guy is important for many members. It makes them seem or feel more attractive to the providers. Thats another reason why prolonged ridiculous debates occur.

[Anita Lay]

I spelled cynical wrong.. crap