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It's obvious that you are too fuckin' stupid to understand that Pearl Harbor was the real "9/11 event", suckclown. Truman's decision saved millions of Japanese from death and suffering and hundreds of thousands of young American men from death and physical and life-long psychological wounds, suckclown.
BTW, suckclown, you mentally deficient lib-retards are the true, dyed-in-the-wool hypocrites, as you are the intellectual midgets who denigrate the hasty resolution to a war that had already killed millions. Your jackass, alternative scenario necessarily would have meant that hundreds of thousands more would have died and the suffering of millions on the edge of battle would have been prolonged by months, if not years.
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Is suckclown even an American? If he was, he would be comparing 9/11 to Pearl Harbor and noting how both were cowardly and unprovoked sneak attacks deserving of the full measure of our wrath and determination to bring the perps to justice.
Interesting concept. Ike said that the Japanese were finished.
So. When would they have surrendered? How many more American lives would have to be lost before they finally did. 10. 100. 1,000. 10,000. 100,000?
Everyday the war drug on meant more American lives lost. Truman made the correct decision.
I suppose in another couple of generations, the Revisionist will have us dropping the Bombs two weeks after the Japanese surrendered, just to show them what we could do. It fits in with their overall theme that the United States, and it's evil Capitalist System, is really the bad guy.
You're using internal japanese information, assuming it's true. Perhaps they were bolstering the troops or trying to not let the populace lose heart. There are many reasons to employ nationalist bullshit at that point. You're assumption that it's true is a stretch. A majority of the generals said they were through. A majority of generals did NOT want to drop the bombs.
Interesting concept. Ike said that the Japanese were finished.
So. When would they have surrendered? How many more American lives would have to be lost before they finally did. 10. 100. 1,000. 10,000. 100,000?
Everyday the war drug on meant more American lives lost. Truman made the correct decision.
I suppose in another couple of generations, the Revisionist will have us dropping the Bombs two weeks after the Japanese surrendered, just to show them what we could do. It fits in with their overall theme that the United States, and it's evil Capitalist System, is really the bad guy.
Do you think we've ever done anything that could be construed as evil or bad? I'm just curious. You talk about revisionists, but you claim Truman made the right move, by looking at estimates of what MIGHT have happened. It's no less revisionist.
You're using internal japanese information, assuming it's true. Perhaps they were bolstering the troops or trying to not let the populace lose heart. There are many reasons to employ nationalist bullshit at that point. You're assumption that it's true is a stretch. A majority of the generals said they were through. A majority of generals did NOT want to drop the bombs.
You mendaciously misattribute, you "#Grubered", freelance faggot, Odumbo Minion from Arkansas. That post was conspicuously comprised of a series of quotes taken from an article in the The Atlantic published on August 7, 2015, you "#Grubered", freelance faggot, Odumbo Minion from Arkansas. The information The Atlantic author recounts is true, and that same story is well documented in several books; including those recommended for suckclown's "edumacation", you "#Grubered", freelance faggot, Odumbo Minion from Arkansas:
• Allen, Thomas B. and Norman Polmar. Code Name Downfall: The Secret Plan to Invade Japan—and Why Truman Dropped the Bomb. New York: Simon and Shuster. 1995. Pp. 352.
• Toland, John. The Rising Sun: The Decline and Fall of the Japanese Empire, 1936-1945. New York: Random House. 1970. pp. xxxvi, 1181.
A select few generals voiced their disapproval of using the bomb, you "#Grubered", freelance faggot, Odumbo Minion from Arkansas, and those are the only ones you mendaciously want to quote.
Ike's concerns were voiced at the Potsdam meeting in July, you "#Grubered", freelance faggot, Odumbo Minion from Arkansas; so, as Ray Lengua pointed out, Ike didn't have a clue as to what Hirohito and Japan's military leadership were thinking. Hirohito's post-bomb statements make it clear that it was the bombs that finally urged him to take personal action; even then, he took action over the objections of most of his military advisers. So, Ike's opinion that the Japanese were ready to surrender before the bombs were dropped was erroneous, you "#Grubered", freelance faggot, Odumbo Minion from Arkansas, and you and your ilk are left fabricating excuses to discredit the concrete facts of the issue, you "#Grubered", freelance faggot, Odumbo Minion from Arkansas.
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And Eisenhower was not the Theater Commander that would have had to order the soldiers , sailors, airmen and Marines to the beaches of mainland Japan. His ( Eisenhower's) knowledge of the situation in Japan was not one of the Commander of the planned invasion and he couldn't have been privy to the intelligence related to the operation. Hell, Ike was still in Europe trying to "De-Nazify" Germany and round up war criminals, amongst other things. He had HIS hands full with the post-war issues of the ETO.
But it's a nice try from the history revisionist's and full throated ( of cum ! ) lying liberals that applauded odummer's "apology and surrender tour ".
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Interesting concept. Ike said that the Japanese were finished.
So. When would they have surrendered? How many more American lives would have to be lost before they finally did. 10. 100. 1,000. 10,000. 100,000?
Everyday the war drug on meant more American lives lost. Truman made the correct decision.
I suppose in another couple of generations, the Revisionist will have us dropping the Bombs two weeks after the Japanese surrendered, just to show them what we could do. It fits in with their overall theme that the United States, and it's evil Capitalist System, is really the bad guy.
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Is suckclown even an American? If he was, he would be comparing 9/11 to Pearl Harbor and noting how both were cowardly and unprovoked sneak attacks deserving of the full measure of our wrath and determination to bring the perps to justice.
Eisenhower said the same thing. I'm not going to second guess Truman's decision, but the destruction was unparalleled. Maybe it made us more humble, more reluctant to use that kind of force again. However, the same point could have been made if the Bomb had been dropped on military targets. Dropping them on a civilian population is unforgivable.
Do you forget, or did you know, that the Japanese had their civilian population manufacturing small, war related items in some of the civilians houses after some of the main production plants for such items had been previously destroyed ? Their population density was (and still is) such that the military bases that were in BOTH cities were abutting civilian parts of BOTH towns. Precision guided munitions were still some years away. But hind site is ALWAYS 20/20 and the wanna-be apologists and wanna-be generals have ALWAYS got it right ( in THEIR mind) . And how many American civilians were killed at Pearl Harbor ? How many American civilians were killed when the Japanese captured Wake island, were there were civilian contractors working on the island ?How many American and Pilipino civilians were killed in the Philippines and other areas that the Japanese invaded ? Then there are the Chinese civilians that had to put up with living and dying under the occupation of their country by the Japanese.
You're using internal japanese information, assuming it's true.
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That post was conspicuously comprised of a series of quotes taken from an article in the The Atlantic published on August 7, 2015, you "#Grubered", freelance faggot, Odumbo Minion from Arkansas.
Hahahahaha..... you go out of your way to list your sources and sewer rat STILL can't figure anything out. What a scholar he is! He is so sloppy he never provides a link and half the time he doesn't even put other people's words in quotemarks. Of course, the only "source" he knows is wikipedia. Can't slow down to check sources, gotta hit my quota of 50 posts a day!
Betcha the Atlantic is too conservative for him.... hahahaha!
The Japanese refused to surrender even after we dropped the first bomb, for Christ's sake. We warned them about the weapon before we dropped it on them and they ignored us. We dropped it on Hiroshima and then asked them to surrender again and they refused. What better evidence could exist that the Japanese military was intent on fighting to the very end?
Go read up on Tarawa. Kwajalein. Iwo Jima. Okinawa. At Tarawa, out of 4,700 Japanese defenders, one officer and 16 enlisted men survived. And, they were all badly wounded. What does that tell you?
And, why do you find that type of fanatical resistance to be so unusual? The Germans did the same thing. They were beaten and knew it months, if not years, before the eventual surrender. Yet, they continued fighting until Hitler whacked himself and virtually their entire country was destroyed.
The Japanese refused to surrender even after we dropped the first bomb, for Christ's sake. We warned them about the weapon before we dropped it on them and they ignored us. We dropped it on Hiroshima and then asked them to surrender again and they refused. What better evidence could exist that the Japanese military was intent on fighting to the very end?
Go read up on Tarawa. Kwajalein. Iwo Jima. Okinawa. At Tarawa, out of 4,700 Japanese defenders, one officer and 16 enlisted men survived. And, they were all badly wounded. What does that tell you?
And, why do you find that type of fanatical resistance to be so unusual? The Germans did the same thing. They were beaten and knew it months, if not years, before the eventual surrender. Yet, they continued fighting until Hitler whacked himself and virtually their entire country was destroyed.
The Japanese refused to surrender even after we dropped the first bomb, for Christ's sake. We warned them about the weapon before we dropped it on them and they ignored us. We dropped it on Hiroshima and then asked them to surrender again and they refused. What better evidence could exist that the Japanese military was intent on fighting to the very end?
Go read up on Tarawa. Kwajalein. Iwo Jima. Okinawa. At Tarawa, out of 4,700 Japanese defenders, one officer and 16 enlisted men survived. And, they were all badly wounded. What does that tell you?
And, why do you find that type of fanatical resistance to be so unusual? The Germans did the same thing. They were beaten and knew it months, if not years, before the eventual surrender. Yet, they continued fighting until Hitler whacked himself and virtually their entire country was destroyed.
+2.....In Germany, The Allies literally had to march all the way into Berlin and reduce it to rubble, killing thousand and thousands of German Civilians in the Proccess. The Red Army also added raping, pillaging, and plunder to their resume'
The Japanese, by all accounts, were even more fanatical, as you noted. In not one single instance did they ever surrender anything during the Pacific Campain. We had to practically kill every last defender of every Island we captured as The US Armed Forces steadily marched across the Pacific.
Complete bullshit. This is hand-wringing bullshit at its worst. "Modern Japan is a testament to the benefits of total defeat, to stripping a country prone to violence of its martial pretenses". Jesus Christ. We're sorry we had to bomb you, but it was for the best, you stupid fucking animals. The Japanese were finished. We wouldn't accept surrender with the Emperor still in charge. What did we end up accepting? That very goddamn thing.
We took an unconditional SURRENDER. then, only afterward, as a sign of America's compassion and as a gesture to the conquered people of Japan, we let him live. i call that mercy. what do you call it?
And it may very well have turned Japan into a nation of peace activists. The better question is what kind of nation did it turn the US into? We've been involved in wars, off and on, ever since.
Abe is a Japanese Nationalist. he wants a strong Japan again. which suits me fine actually. those slopes should defend themselves rather than want "Big Brother" America do it for them.
Another truth never mentioned is that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were no great strategic choices. We'd firebombed so much of the large cities that they were two of the few left intact enough to actually see the destructive power of the bombs.
and your pussy ass point is what? how would you have ended WWII? how? come on "General" tell me your strategy for victory. invade? cost MILLIONS of Japanese lives, not to mention MILLIONS of American lives? if you START a WAR... I.E. the SNEAK ATTACK by JAPAN on Pearl Harbor, you better be able to win it. if not, you get what you deserve.
let me spell this out for you.
America
Japan
It's always easy to pat yourself on the back after you've done a horrible thing that you're convinced needed doing. This is no different.
it's always easy for a libtard pussy to second guess the hard choices than needed to be made to WIN a WAR. you would have rather America LOST? that America did NOT use all it's might to WIN? 250,000 burned up Japanese french fries is a small cost to pay. Yes, small cost. look at the balance sheet if we had not. and by the way, libtard dicknose, it sent a message to the USSR also. we MADE A STATEMENT.
You're using internal japanese information, assuming it's true. Perhaps they were bolstering the troops or trying to not let the populace lose heart. There are many reasons to employ nationalist bullshit at that point. You're assumption that it's true is a stretch. A majority of the generals said they were through. A majority of generals did NOT want to drop the bombs.
horse crap. name them all.go ahead. name EVERY American General NOT named Leslie Groves and GS Patton and Dougie MacArthur that actually opposed using the atomic bomb to end the war. name them.
Do you forget, or did you know, that the Japanese had their civilian population manufacturing small, war related items in some of the civilians houses after some of the main production plants for such items had been previously destroyed ? Their population density was (and still is) such that the military bases that were in BOTH cities were abutting civilian parts of BOTH towns. Precision guided munitions were still some years away. But hind site is ALWAYS 20/20 and the wanna-be apologists and wanna-be generals have ALWAYS got it right ( in THEIR mind) . And how many American civilians were killed at Pearl Harbor ? How many American civilians were killed when the Japanese captured Wake island, were there were civilian contractors working on the island ?How many American and Pilipino civilians were killed in the Philippines and other areas that the Japanese invaded ? Then there are the Chinese civilians that had to put up with living and dying under the occupation of their country by the Japanese.
We produced war materials in public plants. So what? And don't act like you give a shit about the Chinese or Filipino population, you disingenuous turd. You say that apologists always think they have it right. What do you think your side thinks? The same thing. The problem is you have no ability to even entertain the thought that the possibility exists you could be the slightest bit wrong.
+2.....In Germany, The Allies literally had to march all the way into Berlin and reduce it to rubble, killing thousand and thousands of German Civilians in the Proccess. The Red Army also added raping, pillaging, and plunder to their resume'
The Japanese, by all accounts, were even more fanatical, as you noted. In not one single instance did they ever surrender anything during the Pacific Campain. We had to practically kill every last defender of every Island we captured as The US Armed Forces steadily marched across the Pacific.
God Damned Revisionist amaze me.
When would we have quit? It's not revisionist, it's getting the story right. History is malleable, or didn't you know that. The victors get to determine the history. Does that make it right? I know you'd like it to be. You never answered my question; has the US ever acted in a way that made you ashamed?
