Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 - Do you beleive the "official cover story"?

[Guest040616]

Originally Posted by ExNYer

Just what the hell do you want - other than to take pot shots at Obama?

Bingo, taking "pot shots at Obama" happens to be LLIdiot's favorite pastime.

Facts be damned!

[Guest092216]

Elephants rejoice! As of today, America's nose is officially implanted right in the middle of this shit (even though we only had one citizen on the flight who didn't even live in the US).

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/id...40414?irpc=932

"WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Barack Obama told Russian President Vladimir Putin on Monday that Russia's actions in Ukraine were not conducive to a diplomatic solution of the crisis in that country, and the White House warned that Moscow would suffer further costs for its behavior.

Obama spoke to Putin at the Russians' request, a senior administration official said, describing the call as "frank and direct," a diplomatic construction that usually means tense.

"The president made clear that the diplomatic path was open and our preferred way ahead, but that Russia's actions are neither consistent with or conducive to that," the official said.

Obama told Putin that Kiev had made "real offers" to address concerns about the decentralization of powers to local governments in the country.

"That is a matter for Ukrainians to decide," the official said. "We have always and will continue to support an inclusive process."

Earlier, U.S. officials stopped short of announcing a new set of sanctions against Russia but said they were in consultations with European partners about the prospect.

The European Union agreed on Monday to step up sanctions against Moscow by expanding a list of people subjected to asset freezes and visa bans.

"Russia continues to engage in provocative actions in eastern Ukraine. The mere presence of the troops, in addition to what else they've done inside Ukraine, creates a threat of destabilization within Ukraine," White House spokesman Jay Carney told reporters.

"I can assure you that Russia's provocations - further transgressions and provocations will come with a cost. And I'm not here to specify what cost will come from which specific action, but there have already been costs imposed on Russia; there will be further costs imposed on Russia."

The next round of U.S. sanctions, which would be the fourth imposed since the Ukraine crisis began, is likely to target Russians close to Putin as well as Russian entities, three sources familiar with the discussions said on Sunday.

U.S. State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki noted that the United States was prepared to impose sanctions on individuals and entities in the financial services, energy, metals, mining, engineering and defense sectors.

The sanctions have been the most visible sign of U.S. anger at Russia's annexation of the Crimea region in southern Ukraine last month, reflecting the deepest plunge in U.S.-Russian relations since the Cold War.

Obama spoke to French President Francois Hollande about the crisis on Monday and praised Ukraine's government for showing "great restraint" and working to unify the country, the White House said.

Carney also confirmed that the director of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency, John Brennan, had been in Kiev over the weekend and decried what he called "false claims" leveled at the CIA by Russian authorities.

"Senior level visits of intelligence officials are a standard means of fostering mutually beneficial security cooperation including U.S.-Russian intelligence collaboration going back to the beginnings of the post-Cold War era," Carney said.

"U.S. and Russian intelligence officials have met over the years. To imply that U.S. officials meeting with their counterparts (in Kiev) is anything other than in the same spirit is absurd," he said.

According to media reports, Russia has urged Washington to explain what Brennan was doing in Ukraine.

(Additional reporting by Jim Loney; Editing by Bernard Orr)"

I can totally picture Putin doing that 'yap-yap-yap' puppet mocking thing during this supposedly "tense" phone call. Obama is about as intimidating as baby bear cub. And Putin hung up his diplomat hat a long time ago. I mean seriosuly, who really thinks that guy is a diplomat??? He unofficially transitioned into 'Russian Mob Boss' over ten years ago.

[Guest040616]

Thanks Nurse Hottie for the very interesting article!

The British Prime Minister David Cameron, also had some very harsh words for Russia earlier today. He stated "that if it were proven that the Ukrainian separatists were behind the downing of a Malaysian jet carrying 298 passengers, Russia would be to blame for having destabilized the country."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5602610.html

It appears that at least a few of the European country's, with US backing, are taking initial steps toward isolating Russia in this matter. The next 3-4 days should prove to be quite interesting, especially if conclusive proof is found that the Ukranian separatists were the culprits. As is strongly believed!

[Guest032516]

In the end, it will all be chalked up to "casualties of war".

The responsible party will grudgingly admit fault and promise to implement new procedures to prevent if from happening again. All while continuing to fight the war.

[Guest040616]

Originally Posted by ExNYer

In the end, it will all be chalked up to "casualties of war".

The responsible party will grudgingly admit fault and promise to implement new procedures to prevent if from happening again.

I suspect that you are correct. But they must first go through the isolation process, otherwise there is no incentive for Putin to make amends.

Assuming Russia is complicit, I hope public opinion comes out universally against them. And I hope it will be sooner rather than later!

[Seedy]

Putin doesn't give two flying rat fucks what we, or anyone else do or say. He probably was laughing his ass off after he spoke with odumbo..

[Guest092216]

Truth be told, that article was from back in April, sexytex. Just my sarcasm again over the diplomatic 'tension' surrounding Russian "diplomacy". Apparently Mark Rutte, the Dutch Prime Minister, had a similarly "tense" conversation with Putin today.

I still imagine Putin yapping his hand like a puppet over all the international commotion. Does anyone think he really cares?

Edit: my thoughts exactly, seedman.

[Guest040616]

Originally Posted by seedman55

Putin doesn't give two flying rat fucks what we, or anyone else do or say.

I don't doubt for a second that is what Putin believes.

Let's see if the rest of the world agrees with him! The next few days should be interesting.

I can't help but reflect that a few short months ago, our Far-Far Righties were slobbering all over Putin! Sorry bastard that he was then and is now!

[Jackie S]

Also, it is Summer Time.,wait until Winter, when all of those European Country's citizens are freezing in the dark because thy are so dependent on Russia for energy.

"Malaysia Who"?

[Guest040616]

Originally Posted by Jackie S

Also, it is Summer Time.,wait until Winter, when all of those European Country's citizens are freezing in the dark because thy are so dependent on Russia for energy.

"Malaysia Who"?

I suspect the fallout from the July 17 missile attack will be behind us by next winter.

Assuming Russia is complicit, they will have either made amends or doubled down on stupid.

[IIFFOFRDB]

Originally Posted by bigtex

I suspect the fallout from the July 17 missile attack will be behind us by next winter.

Putin will have either made amends or doubled down on stupid.

Care to put MONEY on that?

[Guest040616]

Originally Posted by IIFFOFRDB

Care to put MONEY on that?

At this point in time, we do not know with 100% certainty that Russia was even complicit so it is impossible to determine with any degree of accuracy what their next move will be.

As we speak, it is all speculation and nothing more!

We are still waiting for more cards to be put on the table. What we do know is that that Russia has a long history of holding their foreign policy cards very close to their chest.

Even at that, it is still a 50/50 proposition, at best. If Russia was complicit, I do not believe it is any more likely they will offer some form of an apology as it would be that they will play the double down on stupid card.

[Guest032516]

Originally Posted by IIFFOFRDB

Care to put MONEY on that?

Just how would you determine what constitutes "making amends" or "doubling down" in order to pick a winner?

Also, you don't have any money banjo boy.

[JD Barleycorn]

Originally Posted by bigtex

I don't doubt for a second that is what Putin believes.

Let's see if the rest of the world agrees with him! The next few days should be interesting.

I can't help but reflect that a few short months ago, our Far-Far Righties were slobbering all over Putin! Sorry bastard that he was then and is now!

Who was slobbering over Putin? When did that happen? I posted a sarcastic piece about Putin but you obviously can't register sarcasm. Or maybe you did then it comes back to the question, who was slobbering over Putin. I think I can say we were laughing (black laughter you know) about how easily Putin was able to fuck Hillary and fool Obama. Just because we acknowledged the obvious (like Obama's incompetence) does not in any way say that we support Putin... unless you're an idiot and I guess you'll believe anything if it lets you sleep better at night.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by bigtex

I can't help but reflect that a few short months ago, our Far-Far Righties were slobbering all over Putin! Sorry bastard that he was then and is now!

Link?