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Originally Posted by barrister
I love Austin! Been here four years, and came from the frigid Midwest, where family lived for generations.
I do things the old fashioned way, way my Papa taught me. If you have a reputation to protect, and you're not a fool, then know who you're doing business with.
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A fine sentiment, this is why brand names work. People do like to do business where they know what to expect and the risks are limited.
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Never use independents for that reason. Do this with a stranger? Get caught? Hidden cameras? Getting ripped-off isn't the worst thing that can happen. A girl or her madam turn rat on you? Blackmail maybe?
Better to avoid crooks, and stupid humiliation, when you can satisfy the urge intelligently.
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False conclusion from the mantra you stated above to subscribe to. Agency, madam, pimp or independent, they are all strangers the first time you meet them. Regardless of handshaking, looking in the eye, they are strangers.
How does the statement "know who you're doing business with" translate to "never do business with independents"? If I missed a step or two in the logic you followed to this conclusion, please fill me in.
As far as I know, if you don't consider the agency owner a stranger after you meet them the first time, then the independent is no longer a stranger after you meet them.
As for ratting you out, an agency owner is just as likely to do so as a madam or an independent.
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Get a Sugarbabe. Someone you can trust. Drawbacks though....expensive, "relationship" thing.
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Sugarbaby arrangement can be expensive, or it can be a great bang for the buck (or both). It just depends on who you are, who she is, and what arrangement you have and how well you negotiate. The benefits of this kind of arrangement also has to be weighed against your needs or wants for variety. Also, if you think you can trust sugarbabies, I have a bridge I can sell you.
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For the slam-bam go to a madam, or a service. My Papa showed me this way. Introduce yourself to the manager. Look her/him straight in the eye and offer them your hand to shake. Shake theirs firmly and continue looking at them in the eye. Find out who they are, and what they do, because they know who you are.
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So you are suggesting an agency, service or a madam for the 'slam-bam', what if I want a different type of service than 'slam-bam'?
As for shaking their hand and making eye contact, I can agree that those are good business and conversation traits, but I disagree that you can rely on those to conduct business. The real crooks will look you right in the eyes and shake your hand firmly while planning to screw you worse than the rest.
Finding out who they are and what they do is a different story. While this might have been good practice when the entire law enforcement looked the other way (either out of corruption or disinterest), this is not a good practice when this hobby is purposefully hunted. When everyone in an illegal business knows everyone else, only one piece has to fall before everyone else falls like dominoes. I do disagree with the statement that they know who I am. I suppose it is possible that they wrote down my plate number at some point and ran the plate, but I doubt that.
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Don't do business with low-lifes, crooks, cons, scum-bags, anyone in trouble with the law, or anyone who doesn't want you to know who they are.
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OK. Again, a blanket statement that needs to be clarified. Does this apply only to this hobby or do you apply this to all business dealings? Do you know who you're talking to when you call your cell phone company? Your bank customer service line? While this is a nice sentiment, it's simply not practical today. If you're only applying this to the hobby, then that is your choice.
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This is counter to all that I see here in Austin, and on the internet so far.
Am I wrong?
Why?
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Yes, you are correct that most of Austin and internet, and I will add, Houston, Dallas, and many cities in North America, conduct their hobby business contrary to the way you do..
Because this is an industry that involves legal risks. The less other people in the industry know about you, the less they can 'rat you out'.
In many of your arguments, you seem to lay out support for one line of business, but somehow end up with a conclusion contrary to your supporting argument. (If you don't want to be ratted out, don't give out your information, instead of trusting an agency owner because you 'know who they are.' Trust me, you don't.
Think about the legal risks that a manager or an owner takes compared to an independent.
Again, it is your choice to hobby or do business as you see fit, it is your money and your business. I and a few others here think your method exposes you to more risks than our method does.
Good luck.
