If you found out your ATF had a pimp, would you still see her?

[Bobave]

Originally Posted by telos

If I found out my ATF had a pimp/S0/business advisor/manager would I continue seeing her: Yes/No


The BCD, continue to degrade but she would state that we would always make it up next time, and slowly the TCB skills began to fall apart. Scheduling, rescheduling, sick, that time of the month etc.

I can remember these very words "I'm not looking for a relationship right now" my words "I can handle anything just don't lie to me". Yes, I understand the hobby is a lie, when the lie is used as an excuse for reduced services then it has become a form of manipulation..

Yeah, familiar pattern under those circumstances. And the lying/manipulation really sucks. I really don't think that providers understand the impact of unnecessary lying on their business. Just start recognizing the pattern sooner when it occurs.

[MrGiz]

Originally Posted by FlectiNonFrangi

I am sorry that you find openly such a difficult concept to grasp. Shall I say willinging offering his women to other men. You go off on some senseless tangent that makes no sense. I made no mention of men seeking other women, nor did I make a comment about prostitution. I am saying that a man who does this has sociopathic tendancies. Stick to what is posted and don't twist it to fit what you want to hear. Perhaps you deny evolution.

For a guy with 35 reviews displayed in the "open".... would you not qualify for #11 ?
You might need a little work on #2, as well...

It is so too easy to throw labels around!!

You qualify as easily as any.....

To a social conformist... we all qualify as sociopaths, for being members of this site!!
Am I impressed with their opinion? * Not!!

[johndoe98841]

I WOULD NOT....
don't want a man breathing down my throat if something went wrong.
He is going to take sides with her and money is the main issues.
Getting her azz beat is a picture that comes to mind and don't won't any part of it.

[GNG]

Originally Posted by FlectiNonFrangi

Many of you have been so indoctrinated by the Political Correct Doctrine that you pussy foot around the truth. Evolution does not deal in the male sharing their women. We are former monkeys. Drop the concept that we are so far removed from the animal kingdom that we are not governed by its laws. A male who openly shares his females is exhibiting sociopathic traits. You can use terms like boyfriend or signifigant other(which I despise), but it all boils down to PIMP. Oh I guess you could substitute the word sociopath for PIMP if you want to get formal.

Dr. Hare's Checklist (Sociopathic Traits)
1. GLIB and SUPERFICIAL CHARM -- the tendency to be smooth, engaging, charming, slick, and verbally facile. Sociopathic charm is not in the least shy, self-conscious, or afraid to say anything. A sociopath never gets tongue-tied. They have freed themselves from the social conventions about taking turns in talking, for example.
2. GRANDIOSE SELF-WORTH -- a grossly inflated view of one's abilities and self-worth, self-assured, opinionated, cocky, a braggart. Sociopaths are arrogant people who believe they are superior human beings.
3. NEED FOR STIMULATION or PRONENESS TO BOREDOM -- an excessive need for novel, thrilling, and exciting stimulation; taking chances and doing things that are risky. Sociopaths often have low self-discipline in carrying tasks through to completion because they get bored easily. They fail to work at the same job for any length of time, for example, or to finish tasks that they consider dull or routine.
4. PATHOLOGICAL LYING -- can be moderate or high; in moderate form, they will be shrewd, crafty, cunning, sly, and clever; in extreme form, they will be deceptive, deceitful, underhanded, unscrupulous, manipulative, and dishonest.
5. CONNING AND MANIPULATIVENESS- the use of deceit and deception to cheat, con, or defraud others for personal gain; distinguished from Item #4 in the degree to which exploitation and callous ruthlessness is present, as reflected in a lack of concern for the feelings and suffering of one's victims.
6. LACK OF REMORSE OR GUILT -- a lack of feelings or concern for the losses, pain, and suffering of victims; a tendency to be unconcerned, dispassionate, coldhearted, and un empathic. This item is usually demonstrated by a disdain for one's victims.
7. SHALLOW AFFECT -- emotional poverty or a limited range or depth of feelings; interpersonal coldness in spite of signs of open gregariousness.
8. CALLOUSNESS and LACK OF EMPATHY -- a lack of feelings toward people in general; cold, contemptuous, inconsiderate, and tactless.
9. PARASITIC LIFESTYLE -- an intentional, manipulative, selfish, and exploitative financial dependence on others as reflected in a lack of motivation, low self-discipline, and inability to begin or complete responsibilities.
10. POOR BEHAVIORAL CONTROLS -- expressions of irritability, annoyance, impatience, threats, aggression, and verbal abuse; inadequate control of anger and temper; acting hastily.
11. PROMISCUOUS SEXUAL BEHAVIOR -- a variety of brief, superficial relations, numerous affairs, and an indiscriminate selection of sexual partners; the maintenance of several relationships at the same time; a history of attempts to sexually coerce others into sexual activity or taking great pride at discussing sexual exploits or conquests.
12. EARLY BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS -- a variety of behaviors prior to age 13, including lying, theft, cheating, vandalism, bullying, sexual activity, fire-setting, glue-sniffing, alcohol use, and running away from home.
13. LACK OF REALISTIC, LONG-TERM GOALS -- an inability or persistent failure to develop and execute long-term plans and goals; a nomadic existence, aimless, lacking direction in life.
14. IMPULSIVITY -- the occurrence of behaviors that are unpremeditated and lack reflection or planning; inability to resist temptation, frustrations, and urges; a lack of deliberation without considering the consequences; foolhardy, rash, unpredictable, erratic, and reckless.
15. IRRESPONSIBILITY -- repeated failure to fulfill or honor obligations and commitments; such as not paying bills, defaulting on loans, performing sloppy work, being absent or late to work, failing to honor contractual agreements.
16. FAILURE TO ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR OWN ACTIONS -- a failure to accept responsibility for one's actions reflected in low conscientiousness, an absence of dutifulness, antagonistic manipulation, denial of responsibility, and an effort to manipulate others through this denial.
17. MANY SHORT-TERM MARITAL RELATIONSHIPS -- a lack of commitment to a long-term relationship reflected in inconsistent, undependable, and unreliable commitments in life, including marital.
18. JUVENILE DELINQUENCY -- behavior problems between the ages of 13-18; mostly behaviors that are crimes or clearly involve aspects of antagonism, exploitation, aggression, manipulation, or a callous, ruthless tough-mindedness.
19. REVOCATION OF CONDITION RELEASE -- a revocation of probation or other conditional release due to technical violations, such as carelessness, low deliberation, or failing to appear.
20. CRIMINAL VERSATILITY -- a diversity of types of criminal offenses, regardless if the person has been arrested or convicted for them; taking great pride at getting away with crimes.

If you believe you've never supported a pimp at some point during your 35 documented visits, then you're a fool. Kindly stop spouting this drivel and go get laid already.

You may not believe you're a sociopath, but you sure as hell qualify for one or two other DSM-IV diagnoses, I'd wager.

[davidsmith0123]

I think we would have more agreement on the original question if we first agree on a definition of pimp. How do we distinguish between a husband/boyfriend (s.o.sure is faster to type) versus manager vs scheduler vs pimp. What is the unique characteristic of a pimp? Clearly many have a s.o.that provides a large share of family income. Having a manager seems like a purely business decision. To me, the pimp exerts some type of unwanted control over a provider. The popular media has it like a type of slavery. I trust we all object to slavery and unwanted servitude. But it seems that many object to more than this, or many have a broader definition of the word pimp in mind. So if a woman is not in a situation of involuntary servitude but has an ongoing relationship with a man in which she shares her earnings, is he a pimp, and do you object to this relationship?

[Pink Floyd]

Originally Posted by Roger Murdock

If you believe you've never supported a pimp at some point during your 35 documented visits, then you're a fool. Kindly stop spouting this drivel and go get laid already.

You may not believe you're a sociopath, but you sure as hell qualify for one or two other DSM-IV diagnoses, I'd wager.

Obviously you did not read my posts, and instead developed your own concept of what I have said. I have said over and over again that there are more pimps out there than many of the guys will admit. Now I would suggest you start reading before running your mouth off.

[onedaddy]

Sorry if I find out their is a pimp involved no thank you time to walk away . She will you do what ever that pimp says do ie take the money for two hours end it after ten minutes from or pimps here.are meeting the men in stair ways and.elevator trying to rob them
to so pimps got to go and take her with.him

[GNG]

Originally Posted by FlectiNonFrangi

Obviously you did not read my posts, and instead developed your own concept of what I have said. I have said over and over again that there are more pimps out there than many of the guys will admit. Now I would suggest you start reading before running your mouth off.

Develop MY own concept? I'm not the one cutting and pasting obscure checklists that have little bearing on the hobby.

As soon as you can develop your OWN coherent thought I'll be happy to read it. In the meantime, stop worrying so damn much about what goes on behind the scenes. You're NEVER going to change it. If you find it as distasteful as you proclaim, then why are you even on this board? Are you a closet religious zealot?

[nwarounder]

Originally Posted by Roger Murdock

Develop MY own concept? I'm not the one cutting and pasting obscure checklists that have little bearing on the hobby.

As soon as you can develop your OWN coherent thought I'll be happy to read it. In the meantime, stop worrying so damn much about what goes on behind the scenes. You're NEVER going to change it. If you find it as distasteful as you proclaim, then why are you even on this board? Are you a closet religious zealot?

Spoken like a true PIMP...Not saying you are, but it is exactly what one would say.

[GNG]

Originally Posted by nwarounder

Spoken like a true PIMP...Not saying you are, but it is exactly what one would say.

Excuse me?

How would you know what one would say? The hobby is what it is. That's all I'm saying.

[nwarounder]

Originally Posted by Roger Murdock

Excuse me?

How would you know what one would say? The hobby is what it is. That's all I'm saying.

Many PIMPS/SO's/BF's, whatever you want to call them, have outed themselves on the escort boards using the exact same language. Again, I didn't accuse you of being a PIMP, rather that you should acknowledge the fact that this a forum to help keep guys and gals safe from PIMPS and other dangers. Saying that we should not worry about a lady who has a PIMP/SO/BF is highly suspect at best. These guys kill, dismember, and throw ladies in the trash when they are done with them. Sounds like something to worry about to me...just saying

[MrGiz]

I believe FNF might actually be offended by being tagged with a label!!
Imagine THAT!!

[shorty]

[nwarounder]

Mr. Giz, do you have a lady/SO here on ECCIE? If so, please let us know who she is. You are a shining example of why us guys should NOT ever see a married lady or one with an SO, either an escort or in a "open" relationship. If you can get so emotionally butthurt over the topic on an anonymous internet forum, I can't imagine the rage you would unleash when I start fucking her and she falls in love with my cock.

[GNG]

Originally Posted by nwarounder

Many PIMPS/SO's/BF's, whatever you want to call them, have outed themselves on the escort boards using the exact same language. Again, I didn't accuse you of being a PIMP, rather that you should acknowledge the fact that this a forum to help keep guys and gals safe from PIMPS and other dangers. Saying that we should not worry about a lady who has a PIMP/SO/BF is highly suspect at best. These guys kill, dismember, and throw ladies in the trash when they are done with them. Sounds like something to worry about to me...just saying

I'm well aware of the purpose of this board, and I fully support that purpose. But to expect to eradicate management from the hobby is like spitting into the wind...

And that's the precise reason why I pursue sugar babies and not pros...