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Old 10-15-2011, 09:07 PM   #76
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I just think it's a bit presumptuous for anyone to tell another provider what they should do if they want to be "classy" lol. The modern world is laughing their azz off at any hooker putting that on their site in the first place. I think this obsession with wanting to have a label is just an overcompensation for people whose real lives are pathetic, and they are trying to be important and admired here...kind of sad actually.

I have always showed all of my body because I want a client to know what he is getting...and I make more money than girls who claim that's not what "those men" want to see...whatever. "Those men" also pay over a grand to be done with a strap on lol. I doubt they are going to cringe at a pretty kitty.

I hide my face because I DO have other things going for me career wise, a family, and too many people I don't want to disrespect or embarrass by being careless.

I am not about fake impressions in hooker world...I do what I want, and really don't give a flip what another provider has to say about how I run my business. Last I checked, I didn't have a pimp bwahahaha.
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Old 10-16-2011, 09:46 AM   #77
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I do think it helps with conversation and your overall knowledge base when asked about certain issues, places, etc. A guy paying a lot of money wants a woman who can talk about more than what happened on "The Real Houswives" series.

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Claiming to be so upscale when your civie job contradicts that, is also a no no. Men expect someone with a REAL job or career when making those claims, or don't bother. That's the funniest part of all of this really. So many women put down providers for how they talk on these boards, yet they are entirely fake to the core...including how wacked out they are in the RW.
So true. That is why I was saying I don't know why one would aspire to be like a HDH. Most of the ones I know have the BIGGEST issues. And what a lot of ladies fail to realize is that just because one charges more doesn't mean their working 24/7. The lady that charges 1k an hour isn't looking to see 5 guys a day.

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Hi Naomi, The assertion that age and responsibility don't coincide is right, and the age wisdom issue as Shayla points out. I've hob-knobbed around eccie for close to two months and have been really surprised how unwise I am. I have really been enlightened by the wisdom I see of many folks on this board, and you are one of them. I am really surprised at the wisdom you have as someone in her 20s. I wish I could have put that in a better way so it wouldn’t sound condescending, but I say it considering how naïve I am now and must have been when I was 20-something.
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As for age equating to anything but older....well, that's just hilarious! I had more education and connections at 22 than most women 20 years older than me. I own a home, 2 cars, rental property, have investments, and know so many twice my age still blowing their hooker money with nothing to show. Age does equal maturity either lol. Just ask some of my stalkers who do nothing but talk about me, peruse my site over and over, bla, bla, bla...most are over 35.
My point exactly.
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I have - i guess in previous threads regarding that topic already said my thoughts on this classification of providers into two (or more categories). First, i have to agree with London on what she says, that many people in escort world of course use a fake persona and especially reality can`t hold up to it. People pretend to have degrees they don`t have and all sorts of things. Its like we all have "delusions of grandeur" when it come sto creating our escort persona. The issue is " how far do you go" with the labeling? For me anything related to class stops when i read "Best GFE ever" "Smartest person on the planet " (or such best of the best categories). Its derogatory to other people and fellow providers. I don`t want to make enemies in this realm, but be friends with other ladies and not put them down and state how much more "whatsoever" i am. Based on what measurements they think they come to these conclusions.

And - here comes my take to the rest of these delusions people have:

There is not difference between so called HDH and other providers. I am sick and tired to my stomach by this - sorry - stupid and ignorant bashing of providers of either side. I am sick and tired of reading on so called HDH homepages of how much they are more educated and how "upscale and elitist" their clients have to be. And quality instead of quantity. Some even think they are on the same "level" like their clients. Really? Then how come SHE is not paying HIM for his company :-))))))....... Gosh......
Such people are the ones i would never exchange links with.

OTOH i am also sick and tired of women who choose to earn more money by this profession with lower rates bashing HDH as pretentious. We are talking about people here. And i have worked and still work on both ends (same like all providers do or did) and there is no difference. In Europe my rates are pretty high although in comparison to USA they might be low. But i can`t simply charge 2000 Euro for an hour, because NO ONE in Europe would ever pay that. With my page i get 4 to 5 clients a month. That is what i want. ANd i tour and travel a lot of course, sometimes with Gents and sometimes alone.

Stupid people, people with drug issues, inflated sense of self are on both ends of the dollar and i do not define something like class by the hourly rate. Its simple: Charge more - have less clients and prefer to engage in LTR. Some people prefer different approaches and its justified to.Plain and simple.

The providers i like - no matter how much they charge are the ones that have no inflated sense of self or superiourity complex issued on their webpage.

Providers that turn me off are people who think they are the best thing on earth when it comes to sex and education and advertise as such. "Best GFE" or whatever. As far as education goes - for me personally education does not come with a university degree. I have seen the most dumbest people on the planet with a university degree. Whatsoever, i am offended by people PRETENDING to have university degrees, when they don`t. Its elitist and crappy and i prefer authenticity.

As long escorts of whatever approach or realm do not put other escorts down, that is class. I expect an educated person to not bash women of whatever rate. Its not like someone who charges 300 is unable to charge more, its just like you don`t want to have more clients. I will raise my rates for outside Europe to 1200 for two hours. Am i better? Of course not. Do i have more class? Of course not. Its just a different approach. Period. This elitist BS going on on boards about someone chargind this or that, and who is classy and who has drug issues and who doesn`t is related to persons and not escort identities.

You will find escorts with issues (eating disorder, delusions of grandeur, drug issues, doing clients bareback down the road....) in every part of the hobby. And i personally don`t think that any person who has an escort page and advertises as such on the internet is a HDH . A HDH does not have an escort page. I agree with everything John Bull has stated in this regard. I know Models charging 10 000 for an hour. Well, beat that :-). I don`t see the big difference between 300 and 600 dollar. Its delusional to say there are differences in personallities because someone is capable of taking photos and putting up and internet page and copy-paste herself thru other escorts pages to not have to come up with own ideas ). That means NOTHING. As to Photos:
Don`t bash me for saying so, but i sometimes don`t understand why in the USA women either have completely crappy photos that look like i could do better ones with any i.phone to proof they look real. Or they are so overly photoshopped that its pretty obvious they are no way looking like that.
Of course i am exagerating. MeeShee makes great photos and i have seen some really nice pages. But i don´t think to proof i look really like my photos i need to take crappy i - phone photos. You can also do that just by having nice photos and not prolonging your legs or making boobs bigger or face different like model photos do.

So - anyone can command any rate. The question is - who pays and how important is that business to the provider. If i have an escort charging 2000 per hour )or for two hours ) and the lady has the i phone style photos on her page then i just laugh my ass off, sorry . Obviously no one seems to pay them, because they have to do free modelmayhem shots with crappy wannabe photographers. So - even if this is the nicest person on the planet - it`s just a marketing strategy that sucks. So - NOT very clever.
On the other hand , if someone has lower rates and a profile like mine - it might scare people off. Not recommended either. People want approachable ladies . Not art figures. SO each business marketing strategy has different approaches. But it has nothing to do with class intelligence and these elitist crap i sometimes hear.

So my plain and simple answer: what makes a HDH: a homepage with photos and the according rates. THAT simple. Nothing more. Oh and advertisements and/or networking as John Bull states. Are ladies who charge more - more classy , intelligent, attractive, educated than others? No. Plain and simple. They might be a little more snobbish but that is all.


And i hope you don`t bash me for saying so: But these elitist approach is such an "american" thing to do. I had classmates of mine living in the USA for years and they also said to me that one thing hard to stomach for a european is that americans seem to have the tendency to "maximize" everything which IMHO also relates to the inflated sense of self some providers have. It can`t just be a nice experience , no it has to be "earthshattering" special and "oh so never had before". Who would ever believe that? But maybe that is just a marketing strategy i am not fond of. But - specially when i read reviews on escorts homepages i really wonder if they hired a ghostwriter for writing science fiction or fantasy. :-)). I hope i have not offended anyone but i wanted to just "say that" because it is sometimes bothering me when interacting with US providers :-).
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I think it is impossible to pin point traits of a very successful upscale provider because there are lots of different successful guys who seek different things beyond the designer suit, diamonds and lipstick. Nowadays any lady you see on the street could be a very high desired HDH - not because they fit the classification, but because they provide something that guys in her higher rate bracket want and can afford plenty of.
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I just think it's a bit presumptuous for anyone to tell another provider what they should do if they want to be "classy" lol. The modern world is laughing their azz off at any hooker putting that on their site in the first place. I think this obsession with wanting to have a label is just an overcompensation for people whose real lives are pathetic, and they are trying to be important and admired here...kind of sad actually.

I have always showed all of my body because I want a client to know what he is getting...and I make more money than girls who claim that's not what "those men" want to see...whatever. "Those men" also pay over a grand to be done with a strap on lol. I doubt they are going to cringe at a pretty kitty.

I hide my face because I DO have other things going for me career wise, a family, and too many people I don't want to disrespect or embarrass by being careless.

I am not about fake impressions in hooker world...I do what I want, and really don't give a flip what another provider has to say about how I run my business. Last I checked, I didn't have a pimp bwahahaha.
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Old 10-16-2011, 01:14 PM   #81
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I don't think the price charged determines if they have class. To me a classy person is one that treats those around them with respect and courtesy and also has the integrity to do the right thing even when they are alone. Any lady that does that has class.

As for what can demand a higher price then traits that allow them to integrate into a higher income level will assist in their pricing capability. Some of those traits are education, not necesarily formal but having a broad knowledge base and the intelligence to think, looks, dressing in a way that you fit in with the situation, and BCD skills, being able to make your clent feel like they are special.

I disagree with Naomi in that this can be treated as a career. If a woman is comfortable with this job she should try to excell at it while recognizing she needs to have backup plans. Behave as professional and treat this as a profession and a woman can have a lifestyle and financial future that may not be available to her otherwise.
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Well said Nina...and yes, it is more prevalent with U.S. women. Women in other countries really don't have the time to worry about bashing other women as much as we do here. It seems we are all about impressions which are fine...IF you can back them up with actual reality.

Don't sit here and put other women down for talking smack on a HOOKER BOARD, when your real life "career" you brag about is a freaking bartender or the checker at Wal-Mart! There is nothing wrong with either of those jobs but to pretend you are so high class when that's all you're doing at 45 behind the scenes whilst putting down other HOOKERS, that says it all. Perhaps if some of these women had more going in RL, they would not feel the need to strive for such hooker stardom lol.

I might also add that if you are claiming to be so elite, that you learn to spell for the most part. We all make mistakes but not knowing the difference between "your" and "you're" or "discreet" and "discrete," is beyond hilarious for someone claiming to have even finished high school. I can't tell you the number of times I have seen these errors on HDH websites lol. I am not talking about women who are from other countries mind you, but women where English is their primary language since birth!

Laz, this very well can be a business for many women....some are proud to be and do only this. I think what Naomi meant, was that "when you are here" you should do the best you can do. As with any profession, putting your best foot forward is never a bad thing. Those who return phone calls and emails promptly, don't ncns, are always on time, dressed and smelling good, entertain in only upscale locations, will make more money and get better reviews in the long run. Being a pro in all you do is never a bad thing entirely.
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LOL, this is so true. No one hates on each other really here... However, it's boring. Hence why I hang out here... Sad but true.
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Oh...I know some of you are just as catty as us, but I meant overall the percentage is quite low. American women really need to grow the fk up!
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I have to admit. I act the way I do here because it's boring. I mean - it's not fun without a little drama. I am ashamed .
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I adore the irony of people who post regularly in a forum titled "Diamonds and Tuxedos" preaching about elitism!
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Laz, this very well can be a business for many women....some are proud to be and do only this. I think what Naomi meant, was that "when you are here" you should do the best you can do. As with any profession, putting your best foot forward is never a bad thing. Those who return phone calls and emails promptly, don't ncns, are always on time, dressed and smelling good, entertain in only upscale locations, will make more money and get better reviews in the long run. Being a pro in all you do is never a bad thing entirely.
Yup. Exactly. I also meant that not all here aspire to be escorts for the rest of their lives. There are some women here that this is all they know. There is more to me than date etiquette, stealing towels from the hotel maid and giving a bbbj. Way more - Just saying. LMBO.
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Well said Nina...and yes, it is more prevalent with U.S. women. Women in other countries really don't have the time to worry about bashing other women as much as we do here. It seems we are all about impressions which are fine...IF you can back them up with actual reality.

I might also add that if you are claiming to be so elite, that you learn to spell for the most part. We all make mistakes but not knowing the difference between "your" and "you're" or "discreet" and "discrete," is beyond hilarious for someone claiming to have even finished high school. I can't tell you the number of times I have seen these errors n HDH websites lol. I am not talking about women who are from other countries mind you, but women where English is their primary language since birth!
so true. and some people should be aware that a BA is NOT an advanced degree :-)) (lol) and being cheerleader in high school not a career :-). I think personally that those with the lowest self esteem brag the most about their skills with actual no correlation with reality whatsoever. This would make an interesting scientific study by the way. There are researches already about presentations on dating boards and how far away they are from reality. :-)

To my observation that many american escorts seem to have a very inflated sense of self i might add that one of the reasons may be that the ladies never see each other and hardly ever work together like its the case in Europe. For example when i go to Switzerland i stay in a house where i pay per day and this is a house where only escorts of all sort are. So you realize that clients actually see all ladies somehow and tell any and each of them the same stories. Besides, how can a lady that claims to be more intelligent and the best GFE whatsoever even have friends in the hobby? I would not want to exchange links with someone or even meet someone to exchange details who thinks so delusional about oneself. It seems to me that many escorts suffer from prejudices against their own jobs as escorts and do think that all other escorts fall into the stereotype of being stupid and uneducated and not pretty. So they are particularly fond of themselves and do think they are different from the crowd. Which is delusional because everyone seems to think that :-) .

This brings me to stories about clients: Some clients actually have never ever seen my other clients but i heard numerous people say to me over all the years i occasionally did participate in the hobby the following sentence:
I am not like the other clients. I actually do respect escorts.

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Oh my god ! What does a woman like YOU do in that line of work? (which is meant to mean that i am way to precious to do the job, which is meant to be derogatory about that job per se, because if women like me are not supposed to be into that, who should be? Or who would they expect?

so, since i am psychologist, i wonder where such ideas come from if not from a profound hidden disrespect towards the hobby or other providers. How would you be able to state you are more intelligent than other escorts or offer best GFE (and i have seen tons of ads like that from HDH and other providers on various advertisement platforms) if not because you are prejudiced yourself.
I don`t think its because you actually talked to other providers and engaged with them and found them all to be completely and utterly stupid. Which is not possible anyhow.

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Plus, if people had such great sufficient careers outside the hobby they probably would not be in the hobby, since having homepages with photos of yourself splattered all over the world wide web for anyone to see (and even if faces are blurred, if someone knows you he /she knows no matter what) does not exactly offer discretion. So my take is that only people who are "in transition" or trying to build something participate in the hobby. And anyone who is actually really pursuing a successful career - like all of your clients are so they can actually afford us - does know that. I don`t think our clients hobby on the side as callboy .
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Yup. Exactly. I also meant that not all here aspire to be escorts for the rest of their lives. There are some women here that this is all they know. There is more to me than date etiquette, stealing towels from the hotel maid and giving a bbbj. Way more - Just saying. LMBO.
I would like to think there is more to a lot of the ladies than what they can do BCD. I just see the income potential and independance of this profession and believe that some ladies will look at their alternatives and choose this as a career. Not because they can't do anything else but because this gives them their best financial opportunity. Sounds like we agree.
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Very good and honest points...
ppl are JUDGEMENTAL and may think if she doesn't have a fancy website with fancy retouched photos or higher prices ,she isn't high class or high end.
I have heard it all in the past week with labeling a provider.
I liked the point about the ones that brag about everything they have when it comes to materialistic things and their spirit is not nice at all.
My spelling is not the greatest in the world and I have been to college but I am not picky when it comes to that sort of thing and ppl are typing real fast. while on the board.
I would say make your advertising very professional with no errors.
London's view points were on target.. you go girl
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