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HedonistForever · 04-30-2020, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do

Yikes! Miss handling of classified info is rather a big deal.

I agree, it is a big deal but "intent" seems to be built into our code of justice. Now some of us might say it doesn't matter, the law is the law while others take intent into consideration. That's why Donald Trump Jr. isn't in jail right now because as sure as I'm sitting here typing this, he violated the statute that we have discussed her many times that says you can not solicit something of value which can be defined as "information" from a foreign entity to be used in a political campaign.

Yes, I think Hillary did that to, so if Jr. gets a pass, then Hillary gets a pass UNLESS there was different intent. I don't think Jr. knew the law and apparently Mueller decided the same thing. I think Hillary probably did know the law but can that be proven in a court of law? Recently the DOJ dropped the case against McCabe who we know lied to the FBI but apparently Barr thought the case was weak combined with intent to do harm or not and he was absolved of the charge, so far.

Do we think Hillary intended to do harm by collaborating with a foreign government? I haven't seen the evidence that she did. Did she mis-handle the classified information for personal gain? I haven't seen that proof. Did she mis-handle it because she was to lazy to follow the rules thinking the rules just didn't apply to her? I think most likely. She should have been punished, there is no doubt in my mind about that because as you say it was classified information and a price should be paid for that. Barring proof she did it to hurt the US government and it's people, I think that punishment should be something other than jail time. I understand why you and others might feel differently.

Kinda why there are strenuously regulated levels of classification and training classes on it and affidavits signed by people granted access. It also has well defined guidelines and penalties. What's the proposal here? Just say bad kitty?

Nope, there should have been a price to pay, I just don't think jail was that price.

People die because of miss handling of classified info. Hola, habla Benghazi? Notwithstanding what costs could be associated to that are almost incalculable.

Yes, they do and that would absolutely up the ante. So is there any proof that what Hillary did caused the death of our Special Operators visa vie what she did on her phone and computer? I haven't seen that evidence, but her actions outside of her handling some classified information might very well have by having those people where they probably shouldn't have been, why they were there, was action to save them derelict? Those would be things to consider but if the classified information in question had nothing to do with those decisions and I don't know if they did or didn't, that would be up to the DOJ to decide

"paranoia of persons knowing her business". You mean like her superiors, aka the boss, and the American public writ large? It wasn't 'her' business. It was the business of America. If she wanted to have a yahoo or gmail account to trade recipes, so what. Nobody cares how wide her lard-ass is. But transmitting and backing up classified documents from a non-secured server to a public Yahoo account is ludicrous and endangering to the country. Side note: You are aware that the entire Yahoo database of accounts was hacked in that time frame.

I hear yeah. I think, just an opinion, that after decades of people using information against her, she was so paranoid, she didn't want anybody using the decisions she was making as political fodder against her. I'm not excusing what she did, like I said, I think she should have been punished but I have not seen any evidence that she did this for monetary gain ( but her foundation sure as hell did ) or to intentionally hurt the country as in getting even with somebody that had done her wrong. Those would easily be seen as prosecutable.

HedonistForever · 04-30-2020, 03:58 PM

And BTW, the reporting seems to suggest that Obama was completely aware of the fact that Hillary was using a non-governmental, unsecured server and even contacted Hillary on that server using a pseudonym.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/colum...617-story.html

Obama’s silky lie and FBI bias in the Clinton investigation

Of all the silky lies being told in Washington over the findings of the FBI’s inspector general on the biased culture of those investigating Hillary Clinton’s email server, one lie seems to be ignored:

It’s the silky lie told by then-President Barack Obama.

It may have set the tone for the smarmy intrigue detailed in the FBI inspector general’s damning 500-page report on the investigation of Hillary Clinton’s email scandal.

And Washington is revealed once again as our modern Versailles, a place of courtiers and lickspittles who’d use the Ministry of Justice to serve their ambitions.

Obama told his silky lie when his chosen successor was Hillary Clinton.

Clinton had endangered top secret information by using an unsecured, home-brew email server when she was U.S. secretary of state. Any other American who dared risk top government secrets on a basement server would have faced federal prosecution and prison.

Obama’s lie was told in 2015, when Obama was asked by CBS’ Bill Plante when he learned Mrs. Clinton had used an unsecured email server.

“The same time everybody else learned it, through news reports,” Obama said. He was so silky that you couldn’t even hear his tongue rustling along his teeth.

He waxed on about how his administration was all about “transparency.”

But Obama did not learn about Clinton’s home-brew server like “everybody else.”

According to the inspector general’s report, Obama was in fact one of 13 top government officials communicating with Clinton on her private email server, even as Clinton’s server was targeted by foreign intelligence services.

According to the IG report, before former (and fired) FBI Director James Comey took it upon himself to publicly criticize Clinton (and exonerate her from a criminal charge), a draft of his public address was heavily edited.

It was edited for Hillary Clinton’s benefit, to buttress the case that what she did wasn’t prosecutable.

But Comey’s comments were also edited to protect someone else. The IG report discusses a key paragraph in Comey’s statement summarizing the FBI’s thinking that “hostile actors” had accessed Clinton’s server.

The paragraph, the report said, “referenced Clinton’s use of her private email for an exchange with then President Obama while in the territory of a foreign adversary. This reference was later changed to ‘another senior government official,’ and ultimately was omitted.”

Just chew on this apiece: How could Hillary Clinton ever be prosecuted without implicating Obama, who emailed her using a pseudonym?

Obama might have been portrayed as a victim of her use of a private server. She used that server to hide her dealings with the controversial Clinton Foundation from congressional inquiry. She should have been prosecuted.

But then, two things would have happened.

Her campaign would have fallen apart immediately, and along with it, Obama’s legacy.

The Obama White House, the senior pro-Obama bosses of the FBI and just about all the political suits thought Clinton would be our next president.

And who wants to anger the next ruler? Careers were at stake, promotions, perks, power, just as it was back in the day, in old Versailles.

You should read the report for yourself. Ignore the spin that there was no bias found at Obama’s DOJ and FBI.

It crawls with bias. Deals were cut. Then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch met on the tarmac with Bill Clinton. Hillary Clinton was shielded from a federal grand jury. Witnesses were allowed to sit with her during questioning. Comey had already decided to clear her before the investigation was complete.

Pro-Clinton FBI investigator Peter Strzok was warned by his lover, pro-Clinton FBI lawyer Lisa Page, that since Clinton would surely win, it wouldn’t be wise to anger the new boss.

When Page panicked, worrying that Trump might actually win the White House in 2016, Strzok told her not to worry.

“No. No, he won’t,” Strzok texted her on an FBI phone. “We’ll stop it.”

By then, he was helping lead a new FBI investigation, the one investigating Trump for possible collusion with Russian dictator Vladimir Putin.

Special counsel Robert Mueller, to his credit, dumped Strzok from the probe when Strzok’s anti-Trump passions became clear. But the Mueller probe has been damaged by the IG report.

Jacuzzme · 04-30-2020, 04:29 PM

He only canned Strzok because he got outed from the texts.

Why_Yes_I_Do · 04-30-2020, 04:50 PM

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