MOAB kill total -- 36 ISIS fighters

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by IIFFOFRDB

So everyone 7ft below the surface, can out hunky dory, huh?

You are FULL OF SHIT, Old-T...

The "depth" of his knowledge comes on .....

....the 4th of July and the 31st of December!

"loud noise and lots of smoke" is his trademark.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

So where is that "bomb bred terrorist" of whom you post?

They are the relatives and tribe of tje dead, you moron.

Jesus, how much more stupid can you get. 2000 years , nothing and you think Trump can turn the region around?



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[Old-T]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

I summed up your "retort"!

If you don't understand the chemistry and physics ...

... just ask a firefighter, who has actually entered a burning building.

That one actually caused me to laugh out loud at your complete cluelessness. About me, and about the topic. But carry on, you are happy in you fantasies.

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

The "depth" of his knowledge comes on .....

....the 4th of July and the 31st of December!

"loud noise and lots of smoke" is his trademark.

This is another post from a non-contributor to this forum.

How many threads have you authored since the beginning of 2016? A dozen? Maybe?

How many this year?

You pretend like you're an insider. But you're not. You're a mushroom, growing the dark out of other people's shit.

You haven't seen the light of day since you were exiled from Clarksville!!!

Carry on, closet boy!

[bamscram]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

You wouldn't know. Gruber was (and is) laughing at you!

He wasn't laughing at me, because you were the one duped.

And you still are DUPED!

Gruber is your daddy, democrat. You are a legend in your own mind.

[DSK]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

This is another post from a non-contributor to this forum.

How many threads have you authored since the beginning of 2016? A dozen? Maybe?

How many this year?

You pretend like you're an insider. But you're not. You're a mushroom, growing the dark out of other people's shit.

You haven't seen the light of day since you were exiled from Clarksville!!!

Carry on, closet boy!

LexusLover is an excellent contributor to this forum.

Something you are not.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by WTF

They are the relatives and tribe of tje dead, ....

Bred with a bomb? Like I said ... you can't identify one!

Just more of your worthless, empty bullshit.

Gruber is still laughing at you.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by bamscram

Gruber is your daddy, democrat.

Actually, he's not! He was laughing at you, not me!

I knew all along Obamacare was a disaster ... I read it!

Those who passed it didn't know what it said! Ask Pelosi!

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by Old-T

That one actually caused me to laugh out loud at your complete cluelessness. .

You apparently believe no one can read your original post!

Or do you desire to bury it with more bullshit, trying to cover up the turds you left in the sand box?

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by Old-T

The author of that quote is the one who is clueless. "MOABs" have been designed, analyzed, and tested for a long time. A lot longer than most people realize. When used they make great photo-opp coverage, but don't really do much to "destroy" a tunnel complex. Some bunkers, yes. Tunnels/caves, not really. Rubbleize the entrance and destroy several meters into the complex, sure--but "destroy"? No.

When you get a chance, look up the DoD definition of "destroy" a tunnel complex. It is generally defined in terms of "closing the adit for a certain amount of time--typically in hours. Not what most consider "destroyed". And if the adversary was indeed destroyed in the first couple cases because they were not deep enough into the caves--guess what their counter is? Yep, move in deeper. They counter a multi-billion dollar munitions development program with a few strong backs.

One reason the USSR collapsed is we got them to spend themselves into it. We didn't learn that lesson very well. (Actually there ARE a number in DoD who have learned it, but they too often get overturned by presidents and Congresses who like photo ops that play well at reelection time.

Originally Posted by Old-T

Yes, there are penetrating versions. And they do indeed work reasonably well against bunkers but not caves/tunnels.

The two big differentiating issues between bunkers vice C&Ts that need to be overcome with C&Ts is size of the mission space, and the depth/knowledge of the depth.

Caves and tunnels can be very large proportional to the lethal radius of the munition, even very big (conventional) munitions. And things like turns, doors, etc., can quickly reduce the effect even more.

If I try to penetrate rock to get to the mission space, I need to know where--in three dimensions--the mission space is. That requires a level of intel that may well not be available for the targets you really care about. You can't watch tunneling underground easily, and with current equipment they can make serious turns, rises, drops, and splits once they are out of sight of your sensors. And if you penetrate into the rock in the wrong place, it is essentially a wasted munition. Add to that, you have serious difficulty assessing what dammage the bomb actually did.

As to entrapping them--many of these complexes have multiple exits, many of which are not used except as emergency exits. Some also can stub out exits, and only finish them from the inside when needed. So if you don't kill them, you might not entomb them as long as you thing.

Originally Posted by LexusLover

Were any posting "post after post"?

Or are you just getting hysterical again?

Your description of "the bomb" omits some elements of its value.

ot:
"Caves and tunnels can be very large proportional to the lethal radius of the munition, even very big (conventional) munitions. And things like turns, doors, etc., can quickly reduce the effect even more.

".... You can't watch tunneling underground easily, and with current equipment they can make serious turns, rises, drops, and splits once they are out of sight of your sensors. ....

"As to entrapping them--many of these complexes have multiple exits, many of which are not used except as emergency exits. Some also can stub out exits, and only finish them from the inside when needed. So if you don't kill them, you might not entomb them as long as you thing."

Your "assumption" is that the "value" is "concussion"! It's just the opposite. The "thermobaric" function that is most devastating is the vacuum created when the air in the tunnels and caves are sucked out by the ignition of the fuel cloud at a level that destroys internal organs even if it does not obliterate their torsos within the fuel cloud when it ignites. As a munitions expert from the 60's you should know that already. You know, all that "intel" on "mission space" in comparison to the "lethal radius of the munition" you know so much about?

It is the weapon of choice to effectively destroy tunneling and caves not to mention those "hiding" within them, because those spaces (you call them "mission space") are confined and defined by the walls, floors, and ceilings carved out of the rock and solid debris.

Perhaps that is why the death assessment has increased 3 fold after some "exploration" ... instead of 360 toes it sounds like they may have found closer to a 1,000 of them.

Originally Posted by Old-T

In this case the pictures and video of the tests is really pretty damn impressive.

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Originally Posted by LexusLover View Post
Were any posting "post after post"?

Or are you just getting hysterical again?
Hysteria has nothing to do with it. You can go read numerous threads with numerous posts where some of the "illustrious" posters on here demonstrate the point. If you care how many, or care to debate exactly which posts include such a sentiment, go right ahead.

Your description of "the bomb" omits some elements of its value.

ot:
"Caves and tunnels can be very large proportional to the lethal radius of the munition, even very big (conventional) munitions. And things like turns, doors, etc., can quickly reduce the effect even more.

".... You can't watch tunneling underground easily, and with current equipment they can make serious turns, rises, drops, and splits once they are out of sight of your sensors. ....

"As to entrapping them--many of these complexes have multiple exits, many of which are not used except as emergency exits. Some also can stub out exits, and only finish them from the inside when needed. So if you don't kill them, you might not entomb them as long as you thing."

Your "assumption" is that the "value" is "concussion"!
Not at all, that is why I didn't say "concussive radius" or some such term. Lethality depends upon a lot of things and has a lot of mechanisms.

It's just the opposite. The "thermobaric" function that is most devastating is the vacuum created when the air in the tunnels and caves are sucked out by the ignition of the fuel cloud at a level that destroys internal organs even if it does not obliterate their torsos within the fuel cloud when it ignites. As a munitions expert from the 60's you should know that already.

OT:Typical of you. A few gratuitous insults. I never claimed to be a "60's munitions expert", nor a munitions expert of any type. Just someone who know more about the current weapons in the discussion than some other people on here.

You know, all that "intel" on "mission space" in comparison to the "lethal radius of the munition" you know so much about?

OT:Why yes, that I do know quite a bit about. Certainly more than you seem to.

It is the weapon of choice to effectively destroy tunneling and caves not to mention those "hiding" within them, because those spaces (you call them "mission space") are confined and defined by the walls, floors, and ceilings carved out of the rock and solid debris.

OT:This is where you outrun your headlights. First, MOAB is appropriate for some C/T depending upon what is in there, and what we know about it. And what the intent of the strike is, If it is humans, and they are careless/uninformed, it can be very effective. But it can be quite less effective against other C/T targets. The "weapon of choice" can still leave you with a far from good choice.

Perhaps that is why the death assessment has increased 3 fold after some "exploration" ... instead of 360 toes it sounds like they may have found closer to a 1,000 of them.[/QUOTE]

Originally Posted by Old-T

That one actually caused me to laugh out loud at your complete cluelessness. About me, and about the topic. But carry on, you are happy in you fantasies.

Sometimes reviewing reality is beneficial ....

... especially with bullshitters like OT.

Like I posted .... your "evaluation" of the MOAB is based on noninformation aka bullshit. You don't even accurately describe the chemistry and physics of the weapon system and it's function.

Huh?

"....multi-billion dollar munitions development program"!

The cost per unit is about $200,000.

How much is a U.S. special op's life worth to "clear" the network of tunnels and caves?

[Old-T]

Well now, you have demonstrated you can use the multi-quote function on here. Very good for you I guess.

I am not sure what else you think you have demonstrated, but if it strokes your ego, go for it.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by Old-T

I am not sure what else you think you have demonstrated, ...

Your ignorance, only exceeded by your hysteria!

But it's not your first "rodeo" is it?

[Old-T]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

Your ignorance, only exceeded by your hysteria!

But it's not your first "rodeo" is it?

You are out of anything pertinent to say, so you start acting like IB and making odd comments having nothing to do with the argument. Carry on.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

Bred with a bomb? Like I said ... you can't identify one!

Just more of your worthless, empty bullshit.

Gruber is still laughing at you.

LL....you are once again making no sense.

Occupation and bombing breeds terrorist.


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[bamscram]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

Actually, he's not! He was laughing at you, not me!

I knew all along Obamacare was a disaster ... I read it!

Those who passed it didn't know what it said! Ask Pelosi!

Here is what you believed in.