BBFS & BBGRK.... There is something you don't see everyday...

[JapaneseShae]

I hope she knows what she's doing... I've had escort friends back home who did bbfs to try to make extra cash... And all of them got sick. The money is NOT worth the risk, not to potentially hurt yourself or others.

I think the mods should not allow this type of advertising but if it is not against the rules then what can we do? At the very least we providers can simply avoid seeing any clients who have reviewed her and therefore engaged in any sort of activity with her.

If iamsummer is reading this... Please quit while you're ahead. Your luck will run out if you do reckless things. Don't play with your health and your life for some money in the short term.

[Toyz]

Originally Posted by JapaneseShae

I hope she knows what she's doing... I've had escort friends back home who did bbfs to try to make extra cash... And all of them got sick. The money is NOT worth the risk, not to potentially hurt yourself or others.

I think the mods should not allow this type of advertising but if it is not against the rules then what can we do? At the very least we providers can simply avoid seeing any clients who have reviewed her and therefore engaged in any sort of activity with her.

If iamsummer is reading this... Please quit while you're ahead. Your luck will run out if you do reckless things. Don't play with your health and your life for some money in the short term.

What exactly are you "providing"? You have no reviews & your listing below says "No Sex Ever"...

Now I have no intention of seeing this girl, but am kind of laughing at all the girls getting up in arms over it...is it about safety or is it about keeping the business?


http://austin.backpage.com/BodyRubs/...621-21/9471747

[JapaneseShae]

Originally Posted by Toyz

What exactly are you "providing"? You have no reviews & your listing below says "No Sex Ever"...

Now I have no intention of seeing this girl, but am kind of laughing at all the girls getting up in arms over it...is it about safety or is it about keeping the business?


http://austin.backpage.com/BodyRubs/...621-21/9471747

Thank you for posting my ad. I don't offer sex because I refuse to put my life at risk for fast money. I provide massage and holistic treatments only. And my showcase states I have a strict no review policy. This isn't about "competition", I have friends who did what she is doing now and it was painful to watch vibrant young women become so sickly and weak from illnesses they can no longer rid themselves of, over what? Some money? I hope she stops while she is still ok, she can safely provide things like GFE and still be very popular without putting her health at risk.

Instead of laughing maybe you should look inside yourself for whatever humanity to have left. I'm not going to argue further on this matter as I see there's more than enough people who see nothing wrong with this behavior. Enjoy your Sunday Mr.Toyz

[Centaur]

@Iamsummer: Please take JapaneseShae's advice to heart. Your endangering your life. Your luck will run out and you'll have an illness for the rest of your life.

Originally Posted by austinwebdev2010

And yes, I know it's everyone's responsibility to take precautions, but that doesn't address the perception of eccie. I'm just saying a site that allows this type of ad gives the impression there is tacit endorsement of high risk behavior known to infect people with HIV. BP ads don't even promote this recklessness. And again, it's a shame the distinction between BP and Eccie is very blurred. That is sad because eccie should foster a better/safer hobby environment given the setup here.

Originally Posted by JapaneseShae

I think the mods should not allow this type of advertising but if it is not against the rules then what can we do? At the very least we providers can simply avoid seeing any clients who have reviewed her and therefore engaged in any sort of activity with her.

In principle I agree with both of you. In practice, if this is going to go on anyway, isn't it better that people be aware of it? If not for this thread it seems unlikely Iamsummer would have realized how many hobbyists and providers alike steer clear of anything even tangentially to do with it. Her ad may just save her life.

I'm always skeptical of the sweeping-things-under-the-carpet strategy. The whole reason this board exists in the first place is because talking about paying to do the wild thing is taboo in polite society. That taboo doesn't get rid of the behavior; it just drives it underground. Similarly, a taboo here about BBFS will only drive that further underground. My point is not whether it's a safe or ethical thing to do. I happen to think the service this lady is offering imperils both her and her clients and poses a severe public health risk. My point is that just as there exists a subset of society who breaks the taboo against safe compensated adult play, so there is a subset of that subset who break the taboo against unsafe compensated adult play. Turning a blind eye to it only serves to perpetuate ignorance and hearsay, IMO.

[VictoriaLyn]

FYI no reviews allowed means no ads are allowed to be posted......

back on topic people are going to do what they want its up to everyone else to protect themselves to the best of there ability...Posts that show one is doing risky things makes screening them out that much easier

[Toyz]

Originally Posted by JapaneseShae

Thank you for posting my ad. I don't offer sex because I refuse to put my life at risk for fast money. I provide massage and holistic treatments only. And my showcase states I have a strict no review policy. This isn't about "competition", I have friends who did what she is doing now and it was painful to watch vibrant young women become so sickly and weak from illnesses they can no longer rid themselves of, over what? Some money? I hope she stops while she is still ok, she can safely provide things like GFE and still be very popular without putting her health at risk.

Instead of laughing maybe you should look inside yourself for whatever humanity to have left. I'm not going to argue further on this matter as I see there's more than enough people who see nothing wrong with this behavior. Enjoy your Sunday Mr.Toyz

Please...spar me the humanity BS. Andyone who egages in this hobby in any capacity is at risk...do some deep dive studies and tell me that GFE is radically safer than BBFS.

And if you are on eccie, there is NO such thing as a "no review policy" check the rules. If you are a massage specialist, then promote it on someplace other than a sex site. IMO, you are misleading the clients by posting in these venues & then offering nothing they can't get for $45 at massage envy. Its a bait & switch.

The facts are that the activity she is advertising is NOT against the rules here. But bashing another provider with an agenda is....(as I have been in discussions with MODs with in the past regarding my behavior).

The part that stands out to me is the ones screaming the loudest about this provider either.

1). Have no reviews on themselves
2). Have given no reviews of other providers.

So...IMO..what DO you bring to the forums?

My thoughts on the "behavior" are not what is in question...what is in question is the trashing of a provider who...at least by rule...is doing nothing wrong.

And you have a good day as well Shae, I have nothing against you personally-we just differ on opinion...or maybe just on the motivation for the opinion.

[austinwebdev2010]

Toyz,

Your post history suggests you give quality input to the community. I think you're better than ad hominem attacks against Japanese Shae. She does have a review history on this site. She is a credible provider. So I can vouch for her.

I think the bigger issue is how eccie allows a provider to openly engage in BB behavior and people are so cavalier about it.


It looks like I'll just have to disagree with certain people about this issue. No harm. No foul.
Just surprised a health/safety-related issue is not a big deal.

[Toyz]

Originally Posted by austinwebdev2010

Toyz,

Your post history suggests you give quality input to the community. I think you're better than ad hominem attacks against Japanese Shae. She does have a review history on this site. She is a credible provider. So I can vouch for her.

I think the bigger issue is how eccie allows a provider to openly engage in BB behavior and people are so cavalier about it.


It looks like I'll just have to disagree with certain people about this issue. No harm. No foul.
Just surprised a health/safety-related issue is not a big deal.

Please point out to me anything I said that was untrue about JS? You say she is a provider...she said she is not...who is lying?

"I provide massage and holistic treatments only".

I only bring this up again as you said she is...

And it is just a conversation...I'm not condoning BBFS, but also I'm not so naïve as to think it isn't happening in a high percentage of relationships on this board. I once thought that, but after 4 years here the reality is different from the illusion.

IF BBFS was against the rules, I would likely agree with you. But since it ISN'T against eccie rules, it equates to many of you pissing in the wind.

World cup is boring, so I'm engaged in topical conversation...there will be no minds changed in this thread. Those that have "every friend who ever had BBFS is sick" won't change their minds, and those that have read the CDC reports on condom use realize the only safe sex is NO sex...

[harkontume]

Originally Posted by austinwebdev2010

Toyz,

Your post history suggests you give quality input to the community. I think you're better than ad hominem attacks against Japanese Shae. She does have a review history on this site. She is a credible provider. So I can vouch for her.

I think the bigger issue is how eccie allows a provider to openly engage in BB behavior and people are so cavalier about it.


It looks like I'll just have to disagree with certain people about this issue. No harm. No foul.
Just surprised a health/safety-related issue is not a big deal.

By your handle you appear to be a Web developer in Austin.
Why don't you develop your own site and make your own rules!

btw: Where are Ms. Shae reviews? I can't find them.

That way you will have the control you desire and make the world safe!

[austinwebdev2010]

Originally Posted by Toyz

Please point out to me anything I said that was untrue about JS? You say she is a provider...she said she is not...who is lying?

"I provide massage and holistic treatments only".

I only bring this up again as you said she is...

And it is just a conversation...I'm not condoning BBFS, but also I'm not so naïve as to think it isn't happening in a high percentage of relationships on this board. I once thought that, but after 4 years here the reality is different from the illusion.

IF BBFS was against the rules, I would likely agree with you. But since it ISN'T against eccie rules, it equates to many of you pissing in the wind.

World cup is boring, so I'm engaged in topical conversation...there will be no minds changed in this thread. Those that have "every friend who ever had BBFS is sick" won't change their minds, and those that have read the CDC reports on condom use realize the only safe sex is NO sex...

Well, let's just say it like this Toyz. First of all, no one is lying as that would be disingenuous. If you searched for JS on this site, you'd easily uncover information.

Also, with all your experience in the hobby, I'm surprised you have not accounted for another possibility in her case. As you know, many people here do have pre-eccie experiences. There are plenty of alternative sites on which providers advertise and generate regular clientele. In those pre-eccie days, provider menus may be different than things offered now. Hobbyists who visited JS in the past probably experienced different menu options back then. JS is free to change her menu and allow/disallow services any time she chooses. Any provider can do that. If her menu options have changed now that she is on eccie, it doesn't make her opinion any less credible than yours or mine. Again, rather than shooting the messenger, focus on the message.


I know bbfs is not against the rules. That was clearly established by the MOD. The discussion is beyond that and focuses on whether eccie wants to be associated with "free for all", "anything goes" sites like BP. My argument is that shouldn't be allowed because newbz come here and think that is the norm. Just last week, i had a session with a nice college lady just getting into the hobby. She asked tons of questions about provider/client relationship, how eccie worked, and what sorts of things would give her an advantage due to all the competition here. It's people like that I'm worried about.

[Toyz]

Originally Posted by austinwebdev2010

Well, let's just say it like this Toyz. First of all, no one is lying as that would be disingenuous. If you searched for JS on this site, you'd easily uncover information.

Also, with all your experience in the hobby, I'm surprised you have not accounted for another possibility in her case. As you know, many people here do have pre-eccie experiences. There are plenty of alternative sites on which providers advertise and generate regular clientele. In those pre-eccie days, provider menus may be different than things offered now. Hobbyists who visited JS in the past probably experienced different menu options back then. JS is free to change her menu and allow/disallow services any time she chooses. Any provider can do that. If her menu options have changed now that she is on eccie, it doesn't make her opinion any less credible than yours or mine. Again, rather than shooting the messenger, focus on the message.

Come on...smoke and mirrors...smoke and mirrors. Shae & I have exchanged pleasant PM's offline so she & I are good...but you still have not provided a review that has been done on her. Therefore, my statement stands on merit & you are just reaching for straws. "Pre eccie experiences"? Give me a physical break...if you are going to resort to writing fiction at least make it more interesting.


I know bbfs is not against the rules. That was clearly established by the MOD. The discussion is beyond that and focuses on whether eccie wants to be associated with "free for all", "anything goes" sites like BP. My argument is that shouldn't be allowed because newbz come here and think that is the norm. Just last week, i had a session with a nice college lady just getting into the hobby. She asked tons of questions about provider/client relationship, how eccie worked, and what sorts of things would give her an advantage due to all the competition here. It's people like that I'm worried about.

"I know bbfs is not against the rules".

Then why do you continue to argue against the rules? As you liberally used fiction in your first preamble, you'll forgive me please if I question the "nice college lady" analogy in your second qualifier as possible creative writing as well?

Offer some reviews & I'll take you more seriously...

[austinwebdev2010]

Originally Posted by Toyz

[I]

Come on...smoke and mirrors...smoke and mirrors. Shae & I have exchanged pleasant PM's offline so she & I are good...but you still have not provided a review that has been done on her. Therefore, my statement stands on merit & you are just reaching for straws. "Pre eccie experiences"? Give me a physical break...if you are going to resort to writing fiction at least make it more interesting.

Since you are being both lazy and obtuse:


http://m.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=987131&highli ght=shae


http://m.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=961228&highli ght=shae

http://m.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=952269&highli ght=shae


http://m.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=947850&highli ght=shae



So you were saying?

[Toyz]

Originally Posted by austinwebdev2010

Since you are being both lazy and obtuse:


http://m.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=...highlight=shae


http://m.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=...highlight=shae

http://m.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=...highlight=shae


http://m.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=...highlight=shae



So you were saying?

I was saying that one of you was lying...which you supported by the attached links.

I did find some of the information interesting in the linkage supplied...but I'll let JP answer to that.


But you still haven't supplied a review, so no disrespect meant but I find you & your motives suspect.

But thanks for taking the bait & supplying the links...(Shae I didn't post the links, am just responding to them).

[JapaneseShae]

Originally Posted by Toyz

I was saying that one of you was lying...which you supported by the attached links.

I did find some of the information interesting in the linkage supplied...but I'll let JP answer to that.


But you still haven't supplied a review, so no disrespect meant but I find you & your motives suspect.

But thanks for taking the bait & supplying the links...(Shae I didn't post the links, am just responding to them).

I have replied via PM to you Mr.Toyz.

[Toyz]

And thanks for that Shae.

For my part I have derailed this public beheading long enough.

Please everyone proceed with your personal agendas. Happy Sunday everybody!