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Old 08-05-2014, 08:25 AM   #76
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When I think about the sheer number of reviews, providers, and clients that partake in this hobby, I always wonder about the dark side of the hobby, STDs....

I wonder what is the STD transmission rate in the hobby? Of course nobody can answer without outing themselves, but does anybody have guess?
Ok, serious answer to this question:

"A study published in the Journal of Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndromes observed sero-discordant heterosexual couples and showed that only three out of 171 who consistently and correctly used condoms became HIV infected; eight out of 55 who used condoms inconsistently became HIV infected; and eight out of 79 who never used condoms became HIV infected."


So, ASSUMING ONE OF THE PARTNERS HAS AN STD ALREADY:

BBFS has a ~10% (8 out of 80) chance of transmission of the disease from one party to another.

Using condoms inconsistently/improperly has a ~15% transmission rate.

Using condoms properly has a ~1.7% chance.

This study seems to indicate that your chances of catching something, if there to be caught, are 90% less when properly using a condom, but when incorrectly using a condom, you are actually MORE likely to catch something.

Some researchers posit that the most common spermicidal lubricant, Nonoxyl-9, while effective against sperm, creates a better transmission environment for disease.

Keep in mind though, that according to the CDC: "Condoms can be expected to provide different levels of risk reduction for different STDs. There is no definitive study about condom effectiveness for all STDs. Definitive data are lacking on the degree of risk reduction that latex condoms provide for some STDs; for others, the evidence is considered inconclusive."

The thing to remember about condoms is that they are a physical barrier. Their primary use is to prevent pregnancy: when used properly, they convey a 98% rate of effectiveness.

They are useful against STDs because they are not very porous, and have been shown to prevent the passage of even the smallest of viral STDs.

HOWEVER, they have limitations.
1) if it ain't covered by the condom, the condom ain't preventing shit: some STDs (e.g. HPV) are transmitted by skin to skin contact. If it's on your thigh (hand, lips, whatever), and it touches her, she might get whatever you've got.

2) When used badly, the efficiency rate for it's designed use drops to 86%: if it ain't stopping sperm, it ain't stopping STDS (also, Nonoxyl 9 reduces pregnancy likelihood, but has been linked to increases in STD transmission likelihood supposedly, sooooooo.....)

Of course, the above numbers are for if you ABSOLUTELY KNOW one of the two participants definitely already is a carrier.

A study done in 1993 showed that the propensity for a sex worker to test positive for HIV was directly linked to condom use, geographical location, economic background, and needle-based drug usage. An average figure would be about 5%.

Not so bad, right?

50% tested positive for syphillis or HEP B.

Basically 100% had the other heps, herps, chlamydia and gonnorhea.

Mind you, this was 1993.

Things have supposedly gotten better:

An article written in 2012 indicated that 28% of porn stars have either chlamydia or gonnorhea, whereas nevada prostitute...well, here's the quote:

"The STD rate among porn actors is significantly higher than among legal prostitutes in Nevada, said the report, because Nevada law requires that prostitutes wear condoms and be tested weekly for disease.

Since those rules for Nevada brothels went into effect in 1988, the report said, there have been no cases of HIV infection and a negligible rate of STDs, the Los Angeles Times reports."

Just keep in mind that you aren't playing in nevada brothels or the porn industry: there are NO mandate weekly tests out here.

My guess? there's probably a minimum 50% chance that your provider has SOME kind of STD. MINIMUM, mind.

If she has it, and you are having BBFS, then you have a 10% chance of getting it.

Greek? something like 50%.

Oral? Depends. Open cuts and or sores means increased risk, of course, but transmission is actually much lower here to begin with. Keep in mind though, if you brush your teeth and your gums bleed, YOU HAVE OPEN WOUNDS.

Funny thing? One study indicated that providers did not tend to get infected by clients, but rather by their SO's, who they were not using protection with, or through shared-needle drug use.....
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Old 08-05-2014, 10:08 AM   #77
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Which identity did you assume?.....
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The one on the left adding (hard-to-find-properly-fitting) shades.

Next time....the one on the right. Those elastic tourniquets absolutely wreck a furry arm.

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Old 08-05-2014, 08:23 PM   #78
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People who claim to be so health continence visiting sex workers and daty and dfk claiming there safe. It's mostly the men who do this grand standing. Like the first post said. You eating something that had someone balls hanging out of it an hour ago. And if you believe that this nice young lady cleaned it up just for you your stupid.

You every had a provider tell you, "you might not want to kiss me right now because I just swallowed the last guy load".

No!!

Or my tits just got squirted on less than 10 mins ago so don't kiss them.

Are here is the really killer. "My last client is a regular so I do stripper slide with him but you still can do daty if you like."

Anyone every seen those cuckold videos on the internet. Well that's about the size of things except you just weren't in the room when it happen.

You know something I hobby most of the time without a condom, my and the providers choice never even caught a cold but you know what would piss me off is if I were to get something from daty or dfk or anything like that and didn't even get a chance to even feel the inside of her naked.

It like visiting the grand crayon but having to wear a blind fold the whole time.
Taking a shower wearing a rain suit
Fucking a super model in an completely dark room

You never get to enjoy it the way it was meant to be enjoyed.

I believe most guy say they never went without a condom to actually get a provider to let them go bb. They say that can't nut with it to them but scared to take it off it never had an std in their life and always get tested. So if it were to come off their the poster child of clean sex.

If you been visiting providers you been watching porn if you been watching porn you don't watch porn with people using condoms. And you dreamed about going into one of those porn girls naked head. If you dreamed about that, and searched the escort pages for a girl like what you see in porn your not saying to yourself " if I were in a woman that fine I'll be wearing a condom to be on the safe side""
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Old 08-06-2014, 07:20 AM   #79
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You know something I hobby most of the time without a condom...
....and now I know I can disregard your opinion on health and safety. GG, and thanks for playing!
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Old 08-06-2014, 07:44 AM   #80
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To thinck the hobby, and world, would be safer had Raw dog's mom given up the ass that day...
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Old 08-06-2014, 08:28 AM   #81
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To thinck the hobby, and world, would be safer had Raw dog's mom given up the ass that day...
But but how do you know she didn't...ijs

Whether he or anyone else is raw dawing or not really has nothing to do with your safety......you can't control what other people do.
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Old 08-06-2014, 09:44 AM   #82
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People who claim to be so health continence visiting sex workers and daty and dfk claiming there safe. It's mostly the men who do this grand standing. Like the first post said. You eating something that had someone balls hanging out of it an hour ago. And if you believe that this nice young lady cleaned it up just for you your stupid.

You every had a provider tell you, "you might not want to kiss me right now because I just swallowed the last guy load".

No!!

Or my tits just got squirted on less than 10 mins ago so don't kiss them.

Are here is the really killer. "My last client is a regular so I do stripper slide with him but you still can do daty if you like."

Anyone every seen those cuckold videos on the internet. Well that's about the size of things except you just weren't in the room when it happen.
I bout spit out my espresso shot laughing so hard. Do you really have to be such a killjoy. Can we have at least one moment of happy denial without you giving us a dose of reality. Lol
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Old 08-06-2014, 05:03 PM   #83
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Let's have a serious discussions!? Some guy do things right after other guys. And to put in a review clean and fresh about an daty, come on! And other guy post I'm worried about an std that's why they wear a condom, shit the last guy who did bbbj and unload is the one you should be worried about.

Oh wait let me finish, the people who post " she is a very nice person no rushing but she also has a pimp or boyfriend what ever you want to call it. If she was that nice she would have done it for free.
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Old 08-06-2014, 06:34 PM   #84
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So Raw Dog,

Girls from this site see your handle and know what you're about so if they book you, they know some raw action is going on correct?
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Old 08-06-2014, 06:39 PM   #85
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So Raw Dog,

Girls from this site see your handle and know what you're about so if they book you, they know some raw action is going on correct?
Kinda how they associate your handle with La Migra?.....
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Old 08-06-2014, 06:42 PM   #86
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Girls from this site see your handle and know what you're about so if they book you, they know some raw action is going on correct?
Lol no not really. I try to understand a person talk to her find out what she is about. But straight cfs or cbj I won't see her
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Let's have a serious discussions!? Some guy do things right after other guys. And to put in a review clean and fresh about an daty, come on! And other guy post I'm worried about an std that's why they wear a condom, shit the last guy who did bbbj and unload is the one you should be worried about.
lol you are a trip. Of course everything is a risk here and in the RW.. It enters my mind but I'd like to give the ladies the benefit of the doubt that most of them if they're responsible use some type of cleansing method such as sanitary wipes 99% bacteria kill, hand sanitizer, soap / warm water and scope before or right after each session. Outside of that and the use of condoms everything else is a risk. I saw a white provider once who I've never reviewed. She had to pee before we got started and actually used the sanitary wipes right after her pee. So the point is that many (maybe not all) are cognizant of cleanliness. As far as BBBJ with the CIM again exposure time is everything. If they spit immediately and then scope then I'd imagine you're looking at a 99.99% sperm kill rate. As long as they scope I'm fine with it.

As for the fresh and clean quip I think it's more of a comparison to what smells bad. Of course we're not fucking virgins don't be silly but then again I hear virgin pussy can smell just as bad in fact worse than non virgin pussy in some cases. ijs
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condoms only protect whats covered which is an issue in regards to skin infections like Herpes and HPV hope that helps
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To thinck the hobby, and world, would be safer had Raw dog's mom given up the ass that day...
"Asshole Baby" I just thought it was an "Urban Legend " Till' now...

Hot dogs.... I will never look at them again.....
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Old 08-09-2014, 01:18 AM   #90
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Lol no not really. I try to understand a person talk to her find out what she is about. But straight cfs or cbj I won't see her
You mean what she could "possibly" be about?

You can be very hit or miss with this type of thinking and it leads me to believe you're probably full of shit with all this raw dog talk.

No one's picking up potential BBFS possibilities until the two are in bed and it's time to fuck.
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