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You're both wrong as to where this initiated. {emphasis added}
Actually, you are right in this statement since it "initiated" with the alleged past behavior of one hobbyist, subsequently discussed with others privately by providers.
However, the "public" aspects are as noted. Given the substantial circumstantial, it has become the thing that won't die... kept alive much by your own insistence.
Although I enjoy most of your posts Giz, in this area you have been inexplicably outraged, admitted to being "out of the loop", yet insistent that your perspective is the only valid perspective.
Respectfully, I disagree. (For whatever that is worth on a SHMB, LOL!!)
The only loop I've been out of, is hearing straight from any one of the girls about any of the accusations. Most here are out of the loop, unknowing of the cowardly way the allegations were first presented.
I'm done with the whole mess. . . y'all can have it. . . I don't much care about the outcome.
Actually, you are right in this statement since it "initiated" with the alleged past behavior of one hobbyist, subsequently discussed with others privately by providers.
However, the "public" aspects are as noted. Given the substantial circumstantial, it has become the thing that won't die... kept alive much by your own insistence.
Although I enjoy most of your posts Giz, in this area you have been inexplicably outraged, admitted to being "out of the loop", yet insistent that your perspective is the only valid perspective.
Respectfully, I disagree. (For whatever that is worth on a SHMB, LOL!!)
Excellent ufriend! I only believe 10% of what I read. Only 20% of what I hear. And only 50% of what I see. Then there is ALWAYS three sides to every story. His, hers and everyone’s interpretation of the two. The last I refer to as third generation I don't get a fuck! But it’s fun to watch unfold!
I will say this not knowing MrHappy or the ladies involved… if I had that many people come after me, I’d go to the closet motel with big mirrors and take a nice clear picture of my ass. Then I would post it and tell everyone to kiss it as I picked up my toys and moved my ass down the road.
For all the outrage you have spewed on this topic, I do not believe you. However, given the rising tide of provider private talk believed by the majority of the board, I think you are trying to save face rather than admit defeat.
I don't know where you guys are getting the term "conspiracy" from. . . I've never used it.
You're both wrong as to where this initiated.
No, you never used the term conspiracy, you just defined it, then grabbed a thesaurus and used every term ever associated with the word. You don't have to scream conspiracy to.... well.... "scream conspiracy" for lack of a better phrase.
The point is this entire thing started on the Arkansas forum, as was stated before. Attempting to dodge and deflect blame on others is sleazy/cowardly as well.
Proceed with your personal attacks as they have shown everyone the logic you are attempting to pass on to the rest of us.
Actually, you are right in this statement since it "initiated" with the alleged past behavior of one hobbyist, subsequently discussed with others privately by providers.
However, the "public" aspects are as noted. Given the substantial circumstantial, it has become the thing that won't die... kept alive much by your own insistence.
Although I enjoy most of your posts Giz, in this area you have been inexplicably outraged, admitted to being "out of the loop", yet insistent that your perspective is the only valid perspective.
Respectfully, I disagree. (For whatever that is worth on a SHMB, LOL!!)
Very well put ufriend. Like you, I enjoy Giz's posts as well. I have personally spoken to a couple of known providers that do not post much here and their story directly contradicts MrH's "Open letter". They were wronged and have gotten over it and won't see MrH again. No need to rehash it when nothing will be gained for them and getting dragged into drama is no reason to speak up. It could greatly affect their incomes in a negative way. With this post I am done with this topic too. I think I have made my stance very clear on this subject.
The only loop I've been out of, is hearing straight from any one of the girls about any of the accusations. Most here are out of the loop, unknowing of the cowardly way the allegations were first presented.
I'm done with the whole mess. . . y'all can have it. . . I don't much care about the outcome.
And quite frankly that is a good thing as I feel you would let it "slip" on what you know thus ruining a girls way of making a living.
The only loop I've been out of, is hearing straight from any one of the girls about any of the accusations. Most here are out of the loop, unknowing of the cowardly way the allegations were first presented.
I'm done with the whole mess. . . y'all can have it. . . I don't much care about the outcome.
MrGiz
You and I have always got along and I have always held you in high regard, but I too disagree with your blatant defense of the accused that you have taken on the matter. Your information is circumstantial, as is my information, and several others. If no one will step forward this will always be considered a circumstantial matter, but people are convicted everyday in the real word on circumstantial evidence.
I’ve sat and talked to ladies that gave an almost duplicate description of events that transpired between them and MrHappy4u, but I too am bound by not only the rules of the board, but more importantly a promise that I made to these ladies to never disclose their names or the details that were entrusted to me. I’ll never break that promise. But I will stand flat footed and defend my stance on the matter because I believe what these ladies told me to be the truth.
I hate this probably almost as bad as you do, because I truly trusted MrH. He helped me when I first joined the community, and has helped me since then to keep me from making fatal mistakes here on the board. I counted him as someone that had my back as well as the rest of the community.
The harsh circumstantial reality is that he had a dark secret, that not only affected him and the ladies that he might have seen ….. But rather our entire community, as well as other communities, due to the traveling ladies and every one of us traveling hobbyist.
This poll and most replies speak for it’s self and there’s really not much more that can be said on the matter.
MGL
I think from the tone of your post, we disagree what the board deserves. I wish it nothing but the best as I see it growing, occasionally painfully, but moving toward a more collegial, enjoyable, entertaining, vibrant internet community. Communication is essential, and while never perfect, should be strived for, even when difficult.