Real world information in reviews??

[Wakeup]

"we" will have to do nothing of the sort...I'm still waiting for an argument/statement of purpose on this topic that isn't ludicrous...can someone, anyone, please God, give me one?

[Jackie S]

Wakeup does make a good point.

Once the 'Liscensed Massage Therapist' starts giving head and handjobs for cash, she is a Escort Provider.

[Sensia]

Originally Posted by Jackie S

Wakeup does make a good point.

Once the 'Liscensed Massage Therapist' starts giving head and handjobs for cash, she is a Escort Provider.

I understand what you are saying and I understand the confusion. But I still believe that the real world info needs to stay out of the reviews.

I also believe that by educating some of the posters who actually read some of these forums on what the laws are with regard to a LMT/RMT will think twice about putting such information out there.

Maybe I am naive, or maybe I have been around long enough to see some men who once enlightened will take pause when posting a review of this type. Are there knuckleheads and stupid guys out there? Yea, but not all of them are.

In my opinion a once or twice occurrence of a lady to give an extra does not a provider make..she is just someone who dabbled, maybe out of curiosity.

A provider is an actual escort (regardless of the LMT or not) but she actively advertises on places like Eros, and Cityvibe, and posts on these hobby community forums and she is actively seeking this type of client.."hobbyists" and therefore knows the ropes and knows what she is getting into.

[Mojojo]

The censorship of names between strippers and LMT's are not on the same level. Strippers have a section here specifically for them so they all get the blanket cover of censorship.

For instance if I see Cinnamon's name posted in full in a review under the strip club section I can easily edit that without having to look into it or wait for someone to bring it to my attention, as to where LMT's I have to wait for someone to point it out to me that she is in fact an LMT (sometimes the LMT their selves contact the site) simply because we have no knowledge of the said provider. As Wakeup pointed out not all who post on BP under Therapeutic are LMT's so that makes it difficult to censor it out. If we don't know about it then there's not much we can do about it till it's brought to our attention.

When a girl on BP post's an ad for whatever type of service then engages in the hobby, she is taking that risk of someone reviewing her whether she knows it or not. It's up to the business to determine what services they offer, the customer only share's his experience so pointing or banning a member wouldn't really be reasonable. Now if it's malicious or repetitive then yes the staff can take action but we can't point or ban a member for something that even we have no knowledge of.

[CarolinaGent]

Originally Posted by Sensia

I understand what you are saying and I understand the confusion. But I still believe that the real world info needs to stay out of the reviews.
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If they advertise using r/l info and provide extras, they should accept the risk of some knucklehead posting a review.

[Sensia]

Originally Posted by mojojo213

The censorship of names between strippers and LMT's are not on the same level. Strippers have a section here specifically for them so they all get the blanket cover of censorship.

For instance if I see Cinnamon's name posted in full in a review under the strip club section I can easily edit that without having to look into it or wait for someone to bring it to my attention as to where LMT's I have to wait for someone to point it out to me that she is indeed an LMT (sometimes the LMT their selves contact the site).
As Wakeup pointed out not all who post on BP under Therapeutic are LMT's so that makes it difficult to censor it out. If we don't know about it then there's not much we can do about it till it's brought to our attention.

When a girl on BP post's an ad for whatever type of service then engages in the hobby, she is taking that risk of someone reviewing her whether she knows it or not. It's up to the business to determine what services they offer, the customer only share's his experience so pointing or banning a member wouldn't really be reasonable. Now if it's malicious or repetitive then yes the staff can take action but we can't point or ban a member for something that even we have no knowledge of.

I totally understand, but there has to be some middle ground here. Some way to protect someone from real world ID or info getting out there. I know that you mods are volunteers and you have real lives outside of the board (unlike some of us) chuckle.. but I really do think a solution to this could be found.

I also get that some may want to lump any woman who dabbles in "money for sex" as a hooker /whore/escort whatever name you want to call her.. but this would put many women who really aren't in the unwanted limelight on a public internet board.

You all are smart and I am certain you mods can put your heads together on this one and come up with a solution that is more pro-active than what we currently have.

[Sensia]

Originally Posted by CarolinaGent

If they advertise using r/l info and provide extras, they should accept the risk of some knucklehead posting a review.

NO not necessarily. You do have to consider what another poster said as well that reviews sometimes are false and made up (because a guy is trying to get Premium access credit). So if a gal isn't a provider or isn't really doing the things a reviewer has said she has now been set up to be a target. I have seen reviews here on this board where a guy reviews a real LMT and says "eh I only got a massage", and it is followed up by someone who says "well I am going in and see if I can get more because.." (its a challenge to them to try). This poor soul ends up with hobby men putting unwanted sexual advances on them.

If it is a young gal fresh out of massage school she may not have the experience to know how to deal with someone like this, and may feel pressured.

There are so many angles here, and I honestly hope that more people will take heed and not encourage this on an unwitting LMT.

[Jusanotherdude]

Here is the other underlying factor..... We are here to protect our members, providers, RMT & LMT...... But we cannot protect these people from themselves! If they put THEMSELVES out there in a fashion that compromises their own safety & livelyhood, then we as mods can do only so much. For example, lets say a provider begins providing under her real name (which happens)..... Are we supposed to come swooping in & save her from herself? There is accountability on both sides here. We can only do so much from a local Mod standpoint. If these ladies choose to put their licenses on the line by offering these extras then they need to do THEIR part to help ensure their safety as well..... We will help as much as we can on our part, but we cannot be held responsable for a grown person's own acts.

LL I understand what you are saying in some part, but I think you are getting overly worked up on this and placing this issue entirely at the feet of the staff here, and that simply is not fair. Where is the responsibility of the ladies in this regards?

JaD

[Wakeup]

Originally Posted by Sensia

I understand what you are saying and I understand the confusion. But I still believe that the real world info needs to stay out of the reviews.

Nope. I can mention one girl on BP, right now, who is advertising in the Body Rubs section, giving extras, under her real name. So, the moderators are supposed to magically know that is her real name and censor all reviews of her? The client is magically supposed to know it's her real name and not review her?

She advertises under her real name, she performs extras, she's the one at fault, not the reviewwer, the staff, or the board. However, if it's brought to the moderators attention, I'm sure they'll CONSIDER removing or censoring it.

Originally Posted by Sensia

Maybe I am naive, or maybe I have been around long enough to see some men who once enlightened will take pause when posting a review of this type. Are there knuckleheads and stupid guys out there? Yea, but not all of them are.

Yep, you're naive...

Originally Posted by Sensia

In my opinion a once or twice occurrence of a lady to give an extra does not a provider make..she is just someone who dabbled, maybe out of curiosity.

You can't be "kind of pregnant"...if she gives extras, she's a provider, end of story.

Originally Posted by Sensia

A provider is an actual escort (regardless of the LMT or not) but she actively advertises on places like Eros, and Cityvibe, and posts on these hobby community forums and she is actively seeking this type of client.."hobbyists" and therefore knows the ropes and knows what she is getting into.

Wrong on multiple counts. A provider is one who provides "extra services". Location of advertising, client type, relative intelligence of the one providing, and experience level are all irrelevant. Besides...if you honestly think that every provider is aware of what she's getting into when she starts providing, I've got a bridge to sell you.

Originally Posted by Sensia

I totally understand, but there has to be some middle ground here. Some way to protect someone from real world ID or info getting out there. I know that you mods are volunteers and you have real lives outside of the board (unlike some of us) chuckle.. but I really do think a solution to this could be found.

Then propose one! The mods have told you there's nothing that needs to be changed. You're complaining that something needs to be changed. Give them a proposal, otherwise it's just whining.

Originally Posted by Sensia

I also get that some may want to lump any woman who dabbles in "money for sex" as a hooker /whore/escort whatever name you want to call her.. but this would put many women who really aren't in the unwanted limelight on a public internet board.

Too bad...their choice to do it...

Originally Posted by Sensia

You all are smart and I am certain you mods can put your heads together on this one and come up with a solution that is more pro-active than what we currently have.

As I said before, they're telling you politely that they don't see anything that needs to be corrected, and you haven't made any argument that even gives them something that needs to be corrected, let alone a way to correct it. You can't expect them to try and solve an invisible problem with an invisible solution.

Originally Posted by Sensia

NO not necessarily. You do have to consider what another poster said as well that reviews sometimes are false and made up (because a guy is trying to get Premium access credit). So if a gal isn't a provider or isn't really doing the things a reviewer has said she has now been set up to be a target.

So? If she's not giving extras then she can't be cited by an inspector then can she? Regardless of what some moron says on a hooker board, if she's not doing anything wrong, then the inspector can't cite her.

Originally Posted by Sensia

I have seen reviews here on this board where a guy reviews a real LMT and says "eh I only got a massage", and it is followed up by someone who says "well I am going in and see if I can get more because.." (its a challenge to them to try). This poor soul ends up with hobby men putting unwanted sexual advances on them.

If it is a young gal fresh out of massage school she may not have the experience to know how to deal with someone like this, and may feel pressured.

First, you have? If you can't read ROS how do you know he said "I only got a massage"?

Second, you're kidding right? You're saying that guys ask legitimate massage therapists for extras (which is a douchebag move but not unexpected) and if the therapist gives the extras then it's the CLIENT'S fault for her getting in trouble for giving them?

:facepalm:

I don't even know where to start...let's go down the "new massage therapists right out of school are getting sexually assaulted by these clients" road...PLEASE...

[Sensia]

Originally Posted by Wakeuр

So? If she's not giving extras then she can't be cited by an inspector then can she? Regardless of what some moron says on a hooker board, if she's not doing anything wrong, then the inspector can't cite her.


First, you have? If you can't read ROS how do you know he said "I only got a massage"?

First off the additional comments that are not in the ROS that is what I see..as well as what other ladies or non premium members see. If you don't put all your comments in ROS then anyone can read it.

Please don't try to imply I read or have the ability to read ROS.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by Jusanotherdude

LL I understand what you are saying in some part, but I think you are getting overly worked up on this and placing this issue entirely at the feet of the staff here, and that simply is not fair.

Where is the responsibility of the ladies in this regards?

JaD

Not at the feet of the staff ..

... at the feet of the hobbyists who post the review of an LMT.

With all due respect JaD .. where's the responsibility of the hobbyists?

"Of course, if some of you assholes would shut-up and not tell every gal who has a review(especially massage gals), that they have a review, we could all enjoy their services without getting lumped into the category of one of those "review board guys". I particularly like the bullshit dance that massage gals and their clients do: They pretend that we are the only ones they do this with, and we pretend like we are all appreciative and not gonna tell our buddies the details. The are massage therapists, not sex workers. Right? "

http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=31030

Remarkable, absolutely remarkable. Call me an asshole! Please.

[tikkler33]

Originally Posted by Jusanotherdude

Here is the other underlying factor..... We are here to protect our members, providers, RMT & LMT...... But we cannot protect these people from themselves! If they put THEMSELVES out there in a fashion that compromises their own safety & livelyhood, then we as mods can do only so much. For example, lets say a provider begins providing under her real name (which happens)..... Are we supposed to come swooping in & save her from herself? There is accountability on both sides here. We can only do so much from a local Mod standpoint. If these ladies choose to put their licenses on the line by offering these extras then they need to do THEIR part to help ensure their safety as well..... We will help as much as we can on our part, but we cannot be held responsable for a grown person's own acts.

LL I understand what you are saying in some part, but I think you are getting overly worked up on this and placing this issue entirely at the feet of the staff here, and that simply is not fair. Where is the responsibility of the ladies in this regards?

JaD

We have a winner!

[tikkler33]

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Originally Posted by Sensia
At this point we are just hashing the same thing over and over again, and you obviously think its ok to out someone on this board.

You keep putting words in my mouth and I'll have to put something in yours, like my dick.
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You should be so lucky, WU. Trust me on this one.

[Sensia]

Correct me if I am wrong but I remember there was a strict no review policy of any LMT/RMT on the old defunct board, and the only reviews allowed were that of known asian massage parlors, agencies, or well known well established MP's.

[Sensia]

[QUOTE=tikkler33;3004785][QUOTE]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sensia
At this point we are just hashing the same thing over and over again, and you obviously think its ok to out someone on this board.

You keep putting words in my mouth and I'll have to put something in yours, like my dick.

You should be so lucky, WU. Trust me on this one.

Hahahah..

Good grief look at how much time I spent on this thread this morning! Ok, gonna have to get my little ass in gear my day is gonna get busy.