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Old 06-25-2020, 12:26 PM   #61
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But if ALL OF THEM had refused to participate none would have.

And that's really the point of all this isn't it?

Ah YES but who is going to raise there hand first and possibly be the only one who raises their hand and is then ostracized? This is what happens when you don't have principals. You go along to get along even if it isn't what you believe and this is what leads to mob rule.



BLM is being successful in putting this fear of standing on your principals in jeopardy and the principal I'm talking about here is not that Black Lives don't matter, the principal in this case is, "I'm going to wait for an investigation since every single previous instance of this noose issue has been fake". If and when it is proven that this actually happened, a hate crime, I will absolutely support Mr. Wallace but of course nobody had the principal to do that. Going along to get along is now the ONLY principal that will be accepted.



I could imagine all those NASCAR drivers in a room trying to decide if they were going to support Wallace and the first guy says, "I'm not going first" thinking he might be the only one even though that is what he wants to do and not support Wallace. Imagine what happens if a substantial or just a few people suggest they wait for the investigation to finish.



My point is, nobody wants to put their job, their reputation on line for a principal they have or use to have, afraid of being ostracized and they know the answer they must give to be a good little sheep.


Even now, when they know they have been had, do you think any one of them will say that? "I should have waited for the investigation". Will anybody have the nerve to say that?


No, they will not.


This election will prove whether the American people will give up what the majority believes in, law and order or will they do a "NASCAR" and go along to get along until it literally bites them in the ass.


Where is one single Democrat standing up and saying this mob rule, this destruction of property must end instead of the "it's only property and can be replaced".


Why can't one single Democrat stand up and say, "I'd like to see these Confederate statues taken down but it can't be done by a mob, it must be by a vote of who ever has authority and that is elected representatives and if these people don't vote the way you want them to vote, replace them and if you don't have the numbers to replace them, you live with the results of the vote until such a time as you can get the votes to replace them, Anything else is mob rule.


If we are going to whole sale give up the idea that only those we elect can make these kind of decisions, then nothing is safe. The mob will rule as we see happening right now.


I heard a BLM leader out of New York last night says he wants to arm "his people", like Whites do and used the Whites in Lansing with their AR's slung over their shoulders but he was talking about something else. He was talking about Black civilians with AR's on the streets making sure cops are doing their jobs and they will be there to make sure another George Floyd doesn't happen.


So a cop is trying to put a Black man in handcuffs and the Black civilians with AR's say "no, we don't think you should do that" and how do we see that scene working out when the civilians with weapons can over rule the cops on the streets?


There is a world of difference between showing up in your capital armed, if the law allows it and not all states allow you to be armed on government property, try going into a courthouse armed be you Black or White and being armed on the streets over seeing and over ruling what cops are trying to do. Only one group of people can have the authority to make these decisions on the streets and that authority is the police. If you want to be on the street with a weapon enforcing the laws, your only choice is to join the police force. Nothing else can be acceptable.


A BLM leader from New York last night said we are not going to stop the violence until we get what we want and went on to say that it is the violence that they are causing that has gotten all these changes and all these cops fired and arrested so the violence will continue because it is the only thing from their point of view, that will bring the change they demand.


Hear that White folks, the violence will continue till "their demands" are meet. Do you want to know what those demands are before you vote people into office that agree with and give millions of dollars to BLM? If you don't ask, don't want to know, don't be surprised when what they want is what you have. You have been warned, you won't be able to say "I didn't know" after the fact.



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Old 06-25-2020, 12:36 PM   #62
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Any deviation from OBLM - One is a"Racist" - and peop[le fear that label because they do not wish to be racists.

Real anti Black Racists - don't care.

OBLM has chosen to use violence as a path to achieving their agenda - which is a Marxist takeover of America with only blacks in charge - and rights only for black s- no One else.

And that - of course - is not racist - because as the LSM and Lib Dems know - blacks cannot be racist - only white folks are racist ( just as 9500 is "Racist"!)
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Old 06-25-2020, 01:26 PM   #63
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Ah YES but who is going to raise there hand first and possibly be the only one who raises their hand and is then ostracized? This is what happens when you don't have principals. You go along to get along even if it isn't what you believe and this is what leads to mob rule.



BLM is being successful in putting this fear of standing on your principals in jeopardy and the principal I'm talking about here is not that Black Lives don't matter, the principal in this case is, "I'm going to wait for an investigation since every single previous instance of this noose issue has been fake". If and when it is proven that this actually happened, a hate crime, I will absolutely support Mr. Wallace but of course nobody had the principal to do that. Going along to get along is now the ONLY principal that will be accepted.



I could imagine all those NASCAR drivers in a room trying to decide if they were going to support Wallace and the first guy says, "I'm not going first" thinking he might be the only one even though that is what he wants to do and not support Wallace. Imagine what happens if a substantial or just a few people suggest they wait for the investigation to finish.



My point is, nobody wants to put their job, their reputation on line for a principal they have or use to have, afraid of being ostracized and they know the answer they must give to be a good little sheep.


Even now, when they know they have been had, do you think any one of them will say that? "I should have waited for the investigation". Will anybody have the nerve to say that?


No, they will not.


This election will prove whether the American people will give up what the majority believes in, law and order or will they do a "NASCAR" and go along to get along until it literally bites them in the ass.


Where is one single Democrat standing up and saying this mob rule, this destruction of property must end instead of the "it's only property and can be replaced".


Why can't one single Democrat stand up and say, "I'd like to see these Confederate statues taken down but it can't be done by a mob, it must be by a vote of who ever has authority and that is elected representatives and if these people don't vote the way you want them to vote, replace them and if you don't have the numbers to replace them, you live with the results of the vote until such a time as you can get the votes to replace them, Anything else is mob rule.


If we are going to whole sale give up the idea that only those we elect can make these kind of decisions, then nothing is safe. The mob will rule as we see happening right now.


I heard a BLM leader out of New York last night says he wants to arm "his people", like Whites do and used the Whites in Lansing with their AR's slung over their shoulders but he was talking about something else. He was talking about Black civilians with AR's on the streets making sure cops are doing their jobs and they will be there to make sure another George Floyd doesn't happen.


So a cop is trying to put a Black man in handcuffs and the Black civilians with AR's say "no, we don't think you should do that" and how do we see that scene working out when the civilians with weapons can over rule the cops on the streets?


There is a world of difference between showing up in your capital armed, if the law allows it and not all states allow you to be armed on government property, try going into a courthouse armed be you Black or White and being armed on the streets over seeing and over ruling what cops are trying to do. Only one group of people can have the authority to make these decisions on the streets and that authority is the police. If you want to be on the street with a weapon enforcing the laws, your only choice is to join the police force. Nothing else can be acceptable.


A BLM leader from New York last night said we are not going to stop the violence until we get what we want and went on to say that it is the violence that they are causing that has gotten all these changes and all these cops fired and arrested so the violence will continue because it is the only thing from their point of view, that will bring the change they demand.


Hear that White folks, the violence will continue till "their demands" are meet. Do you want to know what those demands are before you vote people into office that agree with and give millions of dollars to BLM? If you don't ask, don't want to know, don't be surprised when what they want is what you have. You have been warned, you won't be able to say "I didn't know" after the fact.



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Old 06-25-2020, 01:27 PM   #64
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Any deviation from OBLM - One is a"Racist" - and peop[le fear that label because they do not wish to be racists.

Real anti Black Racists - don't care.

OBLM has chosen to use violence as a path to achieving their agenda - which is a Marxist takeover of America with only blacks in charge - and rights only for black s- no One else.

And that - of course - is not racist - because as the LSM and Lib Dems know - blacks cannot be racist - only white folks are racist ( just as 9500 is "Racist"!)
I wonder if they plan to kill every last white person or will they give whitey a chance to renounce their whiteness?
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Old 06-25-2020, 01:35 PM   #65
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I wonder if they plan to kill every last white person or will they give whitey a chance to renounce their whiteness?
they might stop after 50,000,000 righteous killings

i think that's the number of whites one of their leaders mentioned being killed under an eye for an eye doctrine
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Old 06-25-2020, 01:40 PM   #66
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And folks are supporting OBLM - people organized to murder 50, 000,000 people.

Very much like Jewish folks supporting Hitler and national socialism in the early/mid 1930's .
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Old 06-25-2020, 02:33 PM   #67
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well. now we have photogate. this is the photo NASCAR claims is the noose ..

also note that Yahoo has begun to disable comments on their articles. some of them at least .. that might be sensitive .. like this crap.

go to the bottom of the article and NO COMMENTS ...


HMMMMMMMMM


i wonder why?







then there is this "noose" ..










NASCAR releases photo of noose in Bubba Wallace's garage stall, explains investigation that ended with no charges

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nascar-...171929373.html


NASCAR released the picture of the noose hanging in Bubba Wallace’s garage stall on Thursday. And as you can see from the photo it provided, the garage rope in Wallace’s stall is very clearly tied into a noose.


The noose was found Sunday by a member of Wallace’s crew at Talladega. Wallace never saw the noose on Sunday or had access to the garage. NASCAR said it began an investigation and found that no other garage stall ropes were tied into nooses.


“As you can see from the photo, the noose was real, as was our concern for Bubba,” NASCAR president Steve Phelps said. “With similar emotion, others across our industry and our media stood up to defend the NASCAR family, our NASCAR family, because they are part of the NASCAR family too. We are proud to see so many stand up for what's right.”


NASCAR also said that a thorough investigation of every garage it hosts races at found that just 11 garage pull ropes of 1,684 searched were tied into knots. Just one was tied into a noose. That one was in the stall that Wallace occupied at Talladega. Wallace is the only Black driver who races full-time at any of NASCAR’s top levels.


The FBI said Tuesday that no charges would be filed after 15 agents investigated the noose. It was found to be in the stall since October of 2019, when the Wood Brothers Racing team had the same garage stall. A WBR team member told the FBI that he remembered seeing the knot on the team’s garage rope nine months ago.


Per Phelps, security footage from the Talladega race weekend showed that the noose had been formed at some point while NASCAR was at the track. But since garage access was much more wide open and fans were able to roam the garage area, NASCAR has not been able to determine who tied the rope into a noose.


“We were unfortunately unable to determine with any certainty who tied this rope in this manner or why it was done,” Phelps said.


“And we know it brings up another question, ‘How could this have gone unnoticed by so many people in October of 2019 and on the morning of June 21, 2020?’ Our ultimate conclusion from this investigation is to ensure that this never happens again. That no one walks by a noose without recognizing the potential damage that it can do. Moving forward, we will be conducting thorough sweeps of the garage area to ensure nothing like this happens again and we are installing additional cameras in all of our garages.


Phelps also said that “all members of our industry” would go through unconscious bias and sensitivity training.
Phelps apologizes for not using word ‘alleged’

NASCAR president Steve Phelps explained why NASCAR was on edge during its first race weekend in Alabama since it banned the Confederate flag on June 10 and the state’s history. Hours after the noose was discovered, NASCAR issued a statement that said whoever committed the “heinous act” of hanging a noose in Wallace’s garage would be banned for life.


Phelps said he apologized for not using the word “alleged” in that statement as the FBI ultimately figured out the noose had been present since last year. But he didn’t regret the seriousness with which NASCAR took the noose. He said the sanctioning body’s instinct was to protect Wallace.


“And should we have toned that message down slightly? Maybe we should have,” Phelps said. “And I'll take responsibility for that. I stand by the actions that we took and I think they were the right ones. And as I said before, given the evidence that we had, we would do, we would do the same thing, we would investigate it the same way. If it comes to where we need to craft a statement differently, and I need to take a little less emotion out of it, that's something I'll do, I'll take responsibility for that.


Wallace has been outspoken about racial inequality since the killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis. He wore a shirt paying tribute to Floyd ahead of races at Atlanta and Martinsville and even drove a Black Lives Matter car at Martinsville. That Martinsville race came on the same day NASCAR banned the Confederate flag from all track properties. Wallace said two days before NASCAR announced its ban that he wanted to see the flag barred.
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Ah YES but who is going to raise there hand first and possibly be the only one who raises their hand and is then ostracized?
From some folly being "ostracized" is healthy. "Group think" IS FOLLY.

I believe it is a true story ... Emerson and Thoreau were good friends. Thoreau was somewhat of a rebel and opposed paying taxes, for which he was jailed. When Emerson went to visit him Emerson inquired as to why he was in there. Thoreau in return asked Emerson ... "Why are you out there?"

With respect to the nonexistent noose FOLLY the disturbing FACT to me is that all those grown ups joined this mass demonstration in support of one who was allegedly threatened with a noose in his garage without ONE OF THEM going to the garage to take a look at the threat! Was it fear? Was it presumption? Was it laziness?

It was clearly self-induced ignorance.
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It was a (nother) LSM scam to whip up "Racism" ala the NYTimes directive.

usual race-baiting. I am surprised Al Sharpton and Jesse Jr. did not show up.

Those race-baiters might have gotten some education on their hypocrisy.
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well. ...







then there is this "noose" ..







I will go with door #2. Then compare to the FBI crime scene photos.

If it turns out someone tampered with the evidence ... the shit will hit the fan!
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So which one is the actual pull rope that caused the stir?
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they might stop after 50,000,000 righteous killings

i think that's the number of whites one of their leaders mentioned being killed under an eye for an eye doctrine
I believe some of them actually think that is reasonable.

I'll keep my firearms in case I meet up with any of them.
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So which one is the actual pull rope that caused the stir?
I would like to know that also.
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So which one is the actual pull rope that caused the stir?



according to NASCAR this is ..







let's see if the FBI confirms that's what they were shown, eh? my guess is they want it to just go away and they will go with the "NO COMMENT" angle.



i'll say this .. they certainly did a good job tying a real noose for a fake photo ..


BAHHAAAA
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