The US Missile Defense System Is Only 50% Accurate Against North Korea

[Munchmasterman]

Originally Posted by Unique_Carpenter

Very minor disagreement about the use of the concept of preemptive.
But one "mis-fired" or defective NK missle could easily be an justifiable cause.
That said, a couple loads of cruise missiles, would settle all that in less than a couple hours, probably less than an hour. Submersibles that accompany each task force group contain a couple handfuls each. And there's more than a handful Arleigh Burke class GMD's in the area also, which each carry a few handfuls. Theoretically (ha, actually could), surface ships could launch while still at dock in Japan, and then the techs could walk to the NCO's exchange on the base to pay each other off for who got the best videos of things going boom.

Most folks simply have no idea what the military techs can actually do. Getting back to Gulf War, this was exactly why Central Command ran it's big bang show every night for the newsies.
Yup, we can do that. No prob. Just give us an excuse.

Originally Posted by LexusLover

Given the continued "state of war" on the Korean peninsula with only what amounts to a "cease fire" truce between the NK side and the U.N. SIDE ..... much like the "cease fire" truce signed in Iran at the end of Bush I's administration ....

... it would not be "preemptive" in the since of preventing a
"war," but would be a legitimate RESPONSE to bellicose actions threatening the region by the thug in NK by way of "RESUMING" the "police action" to control the NK side.

After all ... that's why we are there ... just like in Germany!

FYI: I wasn't suggesting our side would preemptively launch nuclear weapons on an initial strike or that such would be required .... #1 I have good reason to believe an intended launch might fall back onto the launch vehicle/location .... #2: conventional weapons would reduce civilian collateral damages from post strike debris and fallout. A lot of that shit needs to be "recycled" anyway.

Our fly-bys have been probing and identifying gps locations for programming and dispersing weapons to reduce if not eliminate the consequences to SK or Japan.

Dear dumb shits.
The DMZ is 160 miles long. What is the ground density of conventional artillery fielded by the North Koreans?
Dropping cruise missiles with a thousand foot kill radius would require 800+ to cover a belt one thousand feet deep back from the front of the DMZ.
5000 to cover a belt one mile wide back from the DMZ.
1000 foot kill zone for fortified positions is pie in the sky. 100 ft. to direct hit is realistic. But we'll let you have 1000 feet for the sake of showing how impossible what you propose is.

Know where we have a quantity like that?
How many do you have for a second round?
How my launchers do we have that can close and fire at the same time?
How many rounds can the NK artillery fire before the missiles impact?
What would be left of Seoul SK?
What excuse will you offer then to cover the deaths of what?
20000? 50000?250000? 1000000? I'm talking our allies in SK.
I don't care about NK.
That assumes there are no nukes in tunnels under the DMZ ready for short range launch.

If we used nukes, we would need 100s. If front line units lose contact with command, what do you think their orders are?

Impossible to defend Japan and SK at the same time. Stop pretending you can.
There is so much you are ignorant of. What you are ignorant of tops that list.

You guys are as big in expertise on this subject as you are on others.

[Unique_Carpenter]

Originally Posted by WTF

Which fat man? Trump or Kim?

Good one. Trump does have good cooks everywhere now.
I could have said the fatter one.

[Unique_Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

The DMZ is 160 miles long. What is the ground density of conventional artillery fielded by the North Koreans?
Dropping cruise missiles with a thousand foot kill radius would require 800+ to cover a belt one thousand feet deep back from the front of the DMZ.

None of us said drop stuff on soldiers at DMZ.
We all were working on the destroy ICBM launch sites along with various command and control sites, river bridges, etc. and possibly airfields and port facilities. With the nifty stuff the Navy can launch, there's no need to go toe to toe over the DMZ.

However, once things have settled down, I would expect NK to be partitioned. Of course this is a theory. And the fatter man does need to be stupid first. But said theory and stupid people have happened numerous times in the past, as history is replete with the stories.

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by Unique_Carpenter

However, once things have settled down, I would expect NK to be partitioned.

partitioned in what way?

[gnadfly]

Originally Posted by Unique_Carpenter

Ah Lexus,
I pick on him to.
But I'm off to a late brunch so I'll let you guys practice the rerun scripts.

We call a late brunch "lunch" here. So your Austin Reacharound Crew application has been accepted.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Unique_Carpenter

However, once things have settled down, I would expect NK to be partitioned.

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

partitioned in what way?

exactly. who gets what for fat boy fucking up? WE DO! if we take out fatass and China stands by and under the right circumstances they will.. we control a 100% reunification of Korea, South Korea leading of course.

if not immediately, then within months they'll be tearing down statues of the fatboy clan faster than you can sneak a Robert E. Lee statue outta Dallas.! bahhaaaa

how many of Saddam's statues still stand? bhahaa

Hell, if fatboy fucks up bad enough and causes some disaster on China's border, they'll fuckin' help us take him out.

bahhaaa

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

Dear dumb shits.

You guys are as big in expertise on this subject as you are on others.

Have you started your Korean language (NK dialect) class yet?

But I can see that Munchie has been working on his "military tactics" correspondence course ..... (illustration No. 1)!!!

[Munchmasterman]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2017/10/02/why-the-north-korean-artillery-factor-makes-military-action-extremely-risky-infographic/#4b5a7f39317e

My point is that there are currently @12000 artillery pieces and @2300 MLRS type missile launchers in the NK inventory. Virtually all of it just across and all along the DMZ. They have been working on it since the 50s. To either support their own attack into SK or to defend against an invasion from the South. They won't sit idle as we start dropping bridges and taking out ICBM launch sites. Large numbers of civilian casualties will bring SK to the negotiating table.
Can we take out all of NK's nuclear assets? Possibly.
Can we remove enough of the conventional threat to Seoul and protect its industrial sites and areas of high population density?
Very unlikely"]

Originally Posted by Unique_Carpenter

None of us said drop stuff on soldiers at DMZ.I know that. But it isn't the soldiers you need to destroy (not first anyway). The gun emplacements and launcher sites should be hit first.
We all were working on the destroy ICBM launch sites along with various command and control sites, river bridges, etc. and possibly airfields and port facilities. With the nifty stuff the Navy can launch, there's no need to go toe to toe over the DMZ.

However, once things have settled down, I would expect NK to be partitioned. Of course this is a theory. And the fatter man does need to be stupid first. But said theory and stupid people have happened numerous times in the past, as history is replete with the stories.

Originally Posted by LexusLover

Have you started your Korean language (NK dialect) class yet?

But I can see that Munchie has been working on his "military tactics" correspondence course ..... (illustration No. 1)!!!

Have you started your Tactics for Dummies class yet?

Typical lexus liar hot air. He lives in a world of other people's sound bites and tweets about how to solve complex problems. Taking out NK nukes is one small part of the problem.

No reason to study the Korean language or redevelop the tactics which NK has had in place since the cease-fire.

And while it doesn't take a genius or a lot of time to bone up on expected tactics, it apparently takes more than this lazy-ass douche-bag can muster.

How North Korea Would Retaliate
https://worldview.stratfor.com/artic...ould-retaliate

Editor's Note
This is the fourth installment of a five-part series that originally ran in May 2016 examining the measures that could be taken to inhibit North Korea's nuclear weapons program. The purpose of this series is not to consider political rhetoric or noninvasive means of coercion, such as sanctions. Rather, we are exploring the military options, however remote, that are open to the United States and its allies, and the expected response from Pyongyang. Part five can be found here.

The Cost of Intervention
https://worldview.stratfor.com/artic...t-intervention

Editor's Note
This is the final installment of a five-part series that originally ran in May 2016 examining the measures that could be taken to inhibit North Korea's nuclear weapons program. The purpose of this series is not to consider political rhetoric or noninvasive means of coercion, such as sanctions. Rather, we are exploring the military options, however remote, that are open to the United States and its allies, and the expected retaliatory response from Pyongyang.

Your coloring skills are getting better. Maybe your cognitive skills will catch up some day.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

My point is that there are currently @12000 artillery pieces and @2300 MLRS type missile launchers in the NK inventory. Virtually all of it just across and all along the DMZ. They have been working on it since the 50s.

I was correct after all .....





Brush up on your Korean.

[Unique_Carpenter]

Trivia comment:
At early summer 2017, just over 300 US Army tanks stationed in SK. Including quite a few of those M1s. Those have a 275 mile range before refueling and can sprint at 45 miles an hr.
Gotta love heavy equipment that can hustle, take a licking, and still throw high density rounds that will go through anything.

[Unique_Carpenter]

Originally Posted by gnadfly

We call a late brunch "lunch" here. So your Austin Reacharound Crew application has been accepted.

Thank you I think.
Brunch ran late. Then we picked the pillows off the floor and had lunch.

[Unique_Carpenter]

Munchie,
Do you really understand the amount of toys that go boom that the US has over there?

[Munchmasterman]

Sure do. That's not the point.
I've never really traded posts with you before. I'm going to assume you aren't stupid like lexus liar and take the time to discuss this with you.
Kim has nothing to lose. If we try a pre-emptive strike on any aspect of the North Korean military, they will attack Seoul with everything that has the range to reach it. Most of the experts agree on that. The North Koreans have a decent air defense network. It would have to be destroyed before we could use non-stealth aircraft to attack them. That took weeks in the middle-east. The M-1s are direct fire. Not much good until they go North or the South is attacked by NK armor.
Could we defeat NK? Of course we could. In time to avert hundreds of thousands of South Korean deaths? Maybe. Without a large part of Seoul being destroyed? No way

Originally Posted by Unique_Carpenter

Munchie,
Do you really understand the amount of toys that go boom that the US has over there?

Do you really understand the amount of toys that go boom that the NKs have? Or more importantly the amount of time it will take to destroy them before they ruin Seoul?

Don't be stupid like tanto and forget about the time it would take to increase our forces. We currently have about 40,000 troops there. Against over a million. The time to increase our levels of supplies and munitions and actually starting the operation could trigger a pre-emptive strike from NK.

That's assuming South Korea will let us stage out of their territory. They know who Kim will certainly attack for our actions.
Do I have a solution to this problem? No and I never claimed to.
I don't have to know how to fix it to see that a pre-emptive strike has its own serious problems.

And just curious, have you been in the military?


Lexus liar's brand of a lack of common sense and disregard for our troops taking casualties because of a lack of planning comes from his feeling of entitlement without sacrifice.

http://fox2now.com/2017/08/11/the-la...ould-play-out/

[Munchmasterman]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

I was correct after all .....No, you weren't.
If you thought you were correct why did you remove all of the cover structures that protected the assaulting force?
Because you don't give a shit about our troops or their casualties following your ignorant and ill-conceived plans.





Brush up on your Korean.

I love "debating" you.
It's like playing dodgeball with a blind kid.

How does your tank figure into the ongoing discussion?
It doesn't.

You boast about not knowing NK has been tunneling under the DMZ, building hidden fortifications for artillery and rocket launchers, as well as stocking arms, munitions, and supplies since the 1950s.

Stop talking and pretending you are a mental force to be reckoned with. Your lack of links before and after you get spanked shows you don't learn anything.
You pout, you sulk, and you increase the size of your fonts instead of looking anything up.
You like warm and fuzzy which describes your blanket of ignorance to a "T".

[Unique_Carpenter]

Munchie,
Did you forget another 40K of US troops in Japan?
Another 40K in Hawaii?
And the largest fleet in the world is the US 7th Fleet right there.
I never said that the NKs wouldn't fire a bit of stuff off.
Nor did I say it would be entirely painless.

Insane fat man simply needs to have fingers removed from whatever button he threatens to push.
And if he loses his arm up past his neck, tough shit.

At last look the NKs were spending about 6 billion a year on defense. I'll let someone else do comparative mathematics.

You keep coming back to the DMZ and the size of the NK forces.
I already said the US wouldn't go toe to toe in the trenches. The US will just drop stuff. And more stuff. And the US doesn't even need bombers to drop some of the fun stuff as some bunker busters can just be pushed out the back of a cargo carrier.
Why are you over selling the NKs body count? Unless urban warfare, where you need feet on the ground, the techies rule warfare nowadays.