BBFS & BBGRK.... There is something you don't see everyday...

[austinwebdev2010]

So this provider has placed another ad with *prominent* wording of bare back options. I think it's irresponsible for eccie to allow advertisements like this. I don't care if guys ask for BB options behind the scenes. I don't care about this type of ad remaiming with the rules. And I really don't care if people think it's judemental to be against that content. I believe it's totally wrong to allow this provider, pimp, or whatever to use eccie for unsafe behavior. If I was a provider, i would never want to be associated with such recklessness. And as a client, it forces me to consider how prevalent this behavior really is within eccie circles. I thought the spirit of this site was to exchange information about people/experiences so everyone can maxize their enjoyment of this hobby in a safe manner? Does eccie not represent this any longer? What gives?

[Clara Turing]

I would rather have it out in the open. Pushing activities underground creates a rumor mill.
I believe in harm reduction.
Harm reduction seek to " reduce the harmful consequences associated with various, sometimes illegal, human behaviors."
Do bbfs- Know where to get tested, what to look for etc.

People are going to engage in this risky behavior no matter what, might as have a plan for it.

[austinwebdev2010]

I see what you're saying, but I disagree. Let me try to explain it a different way.

Let's compare BP and Eccie. All hobbyists know BP is wrought with deceit and shadiness. A guy should NEVER believe what he reads in ads and sees in profile pics. That site epitomizes "buyer beware". However, if a guy chooses to see a lady from BP, he knows to take extra precautions. TOFTT is only cool if you find a gem in the rough--which does happen on occasion, no doubt. This doesn't change the fact that men take lots of extra precautions to protect themselves with ladies from BP because the woman is probably pimped or managed, she has no history of previous encounters readily available unless someone posts something about her here, and you just have to assume she's high volume and might not be totally clean. This mindset is the best way to protect yourself during a BP encounter.

Eccie, on the other hand, is supposed to be better than BP. The perception about this site is people here are a bit more "elevated" compared to all the BP craziness. There is a review system that reveals provider service history, screening of potential clients for providers, and lots of back-channel information via PMs, the provider powder room, and men's locker room. This structure allows a hobbyist to conclude there is a higher likelihood of safe behavior here compared to BP. The mindset here is different in a good way. The perception is Eccie is better and safer than BP based on user activities and the way everyone here ridicules BP.

But you know what? In my 2 years of hobby activities, I have never seen a BP ad promote BB or unsafe behavior. I have never read an Eccie review or carried on a PM conversation with a fellow hobbyist that surfaced any dangerous sexual behavior with a BP lady. Yet, this site allows someone to advertise reckless behavior. Again, I thought this site stood for activities that are above the shadiness on BP. The distinction between the two sites is getting blurred and very disappointing.

[Beagle]

awd summed it up well. I don't think any bb activity should be made mainstream. We don't need newcomers thinking it's the new norm.

[ridemcowboy]

I did send her a pm asking if she meant to have that on her ad and if she knew what it what she was doing. I told her it was a very dangerous game. She responded saying she was aware and was needing the extra $ . I told her good luck. Get tested and I thought it would chase more potential clients away than draw them in. that is some scary shit.

[Clara Turing]

Originally Posted by austinwebdev2010

I see what you're saying, but I disagree. Let me try to explain it a different way.

Let's compare BP and Eccie. All hobbyists know BP is wrought with deceit and shadiness. A guy should NEVER believe what he reads in ads and sees in profile pics. That site epitomizes "buyer beware". However, if a guy chooses to see a lady from BP, he knows to take extra precautions. TOFTT is only cool if you find a gem in the rough--which does happen on occasion, no doubt. This doesn't change the fact that men take lots of extra precautions to protect themselves with ladies from BP because the woman is probably pimped or managed, she has no history of previous encounters readily available unless someone posts something about her here, and you just have to assume she's high volume and might not be totally clean. This mindset is the best way to protect yourself during a BP encounter.

Eccie, on the other hand, is supposed to be better than BP. The perception about this site is people here are a bit more "elevated" compared to all the BP craziness. There is a review system that reveals provider service history, screening of potential clients for providers, and lots of back-channel information via PMs, the provider powder room, and men's locker room. This structure allows a hobbyist to conclude there is a higher likelihood of safe behavior here compared to BP. The mindset here is different in a good way. The perception is Eccie is better and safer than BP based on user activities and the way everyone here ridicules BP.

But you know what? In my 2 years of hobby activities, I have never seen a BP ad promote BB or unsafe behavior. I have never read an Eccie review or carried on a PM conversation with a fellow hobbyist that surfaced any dangerous sexual behavior with a BP lady. Yet, this site allows someone to advertise reckless behavior. Again, I thought this site stood for activities that are above the shadiness on BP. The distinction between the two sites is getting blurred and very disappointing.

Would you be in favor of having a board just for bb?

Another food for thought - I think that success stories of BP aren't talked about much because the horror stories are just more entertaining .

[RALPHEY BOY]

Originally Posted by nerdyAyna

Would you be in favor of having a board just for bb?

Another food for thought - I think that success stories of BP aren't talked about much because the horror stories are just more entertaining .

unless a Captain Save-A-Ho comes out saying how cool he is/was for getting BP Betty to come over to Eccie.

and there is already a Group for bbfs

[hicks36]

she is very busy and getting great reviews with the austin bbfs club.

[Old-T]

Originally Posted by nerdyAyna

I would rather have it out in the open. Pushing activities underground creates a rumor mill.
I believe in harm reduction.

I completely agree. Knowledge is strength here. I am completely against BBFS in this community, even more so BB anal, but if there is truth in advertizing and I can screen out those who do partake frequently then that is a positive in a dangerous world.

When I do see these things I always think two thoughts: Is someone coercing her? Is she doing this as revenge?

[austinwebdev2010]

Originally Posted by nerdyAyna

Would you be in favor of having a board just for bb?

Another food for thought - I think that success stories of BP aren't talked about much because the horror stories are just more entertaining .

No. A board for bb services should not be allowed.


And I think you may not be aware of numerous BP success stories documented in Eccie reviews. There are quite a few reviews with titles such as "great bp find..", "bp diamond in the rough...", "great time with bp....", and so on. Trust me, if a bp lady is good, she will have a track record here--and she may not even be aware of it. Also, bp ladies who become quality providers make the jump to eccie for reasons I listed earlier. They see it as a move up to better clientele and tight community (esp. the provider screening process for safety). I personally know four bp ladies who took this path.

[Clara Turing]

Originally Posted by austinwebdev2010

No. A board for bb services should not be allowed.


And I think you may not be aware of numerous BP success stories documented in Eccie reviews. There are quite a few reviews with titles such as "great bp find..", "bp diamond in the rough...", "great time with bp....", and so on. Trust me, if a bp lady is good, she will have a track record here--and she may not even be aware of it. Also, bp ladies who become quality providers make the jump to eccie for reasons I listed earlier. They see it as a move up to better clientele and tight community (esp. the provider screening process for safety). I personally know four bp ladies who took this path.

Your complaint was that you didn't want it on Eccie because didn't to taint Eccie with bbfs providers. Creating a bb only board would solve that issue.
You aren't going to stop people from doing it no matter how hard you protest.
People are adults and known the risk that they are taking by engaging in risky behavior.

[takeabreak512]

Originally Posted by Old-T

And sadly there are some on here who threaten that if they are turned down they will trash her in reviews.

That did happen on TER a few years back, and there was at least one mod in on it. It happened on ASPD as well. No reason to believe that as long as this business exists and as long as there are reviews it will be asked for, and some jerks will pressure for it even if a lady refuses.

I know it comes as a shock, but not every post nor every review is 100% accurate.

Some very interesting names on these reports forcing BB grk or else

(staff edit; can't link to external websites with RW info; ztonk)

[spank_my_monkey76]

DO NOT ENTER!!!! haha

[ztonk]

Originally Posted by austinwebdev2010

I think it's irresponsible for eccie to allow advertisements like this.

Advertising said services is not against the forum guidelines. Some people consider BBBJ and DATY to be high risk activities and don't partake while others here obviously do.

We aren't the hobby police. As an adult, you get to decide for yourself what is "safe" and what is "risky".

ztonk
AustinModStaff

[austinwebdev2010]

Originally Posted by ztonk

Advertising said services is not against the forum guidelines. Some people consider BBBJ and DATY to be high risk activities and don't partake while others here obviously do.

ztonk
AustinModStaff

I understand your point about other high-risk behaviors. However the risk of contracting HIV from BBBJ and DATY is minuscule compared to BBFS and BBBG---both of which are known methods with high likelihood of passing HIV to partners. I think that's the main difference.

And yes, I know it's everyone's responsibility to take precautions, but that doesn't address the perception of eccie. I'm just saying a site that allows this type of ad gives the impression there is tacit endorsement of high risk behavior known to infect people with HIV. BP ads don't even promote this recklessness. And again, it's a shame the distinction between BP and Eccie is very blurred. That is sad because eccie should foster a better/safer hobby environment given the setup here.