Another old question:overnites

[Old-T]

We, first off, that is a fine piece of posting sir, and I mean that with all sincerity. No sarcasm at all. I don't agree with all of it, but it's well thought out and well said. And in the context of this thread it is the exact opposite of Wakeup's comments that I railed against: you said what YOU fell and believe, and did NOT try to tell everyone else that they should feel the same way. THAT (your kind of post) is exactly what boards like this are supposed to be in my opinion.

I disagree with Wakeups POV also, but that did not bother me at all--only his comments that anyone who disagrees is dumb, moronic, etc. I spend most of my work life dealing with ego inflated blowhards who are often wrong, but always trying to shove their preferences upon everyone else. I see that mindset and power mad dictator attitude do great harm in many areas--often ruining lives and wasting $Bs. My job is to shine light on such things, often drawing the ire of such people in direct proportion to the size of their egos. To put it mildly, I have a very low tolerance for people who come into a discussion with that attitude.

Wakeup may well contribute a lot to the community. That can be true and still have some of his posts deserve being called to task. To me, posts that insult whole groups of people just because they have different tastes in ladies or how they prefer to spend their entertainment dollar fall in that category. Or post #39.

Am I angry at his posts? Not really. It's more a belief that bad behavior shouldn't be condoned by silence, and because yes--a lot of folks on any board are intimidated by loud domineering personas like Wakeups; I'm not usually one of them.

Originally Posted by proudoftexas

Wakeup needs a defender about as much as he needs a hole in the head, but I don't get the position some of his detractors take.

"almost 8000 posts in 2 years"

He has 8000 posts. Big deal. He's heavily invested in this community. We don't have to like HOW he's invested himself in the community, but this place is important to him. The measurement of that investment can be seen in how much time he spends on this site, and how important it is to him to be noticed. Whether it's negative or positive doesn't matter.

no reviews

I don't get the obsession with reviews. The guy obviously knows what he's talking about. I've seen him mention several times why he doesn't write reviews. I don't really give a shit why he does or doesn't write reviews, but I do know his reasoning at least makes some sense to me. Some of the reviews written ARE absolute garbage. I'm never going to critique someone else's review, because I don't care enough, and I'll never have enough credibility (nor the interest in establishing it). Plus, I read the reviews for entertainment more than anything else.

But if there was no peer pressure to write accurate reviews, the people who get something out of them would have even LESS to work with. Because the incentive for most men is to a) get premium credit b) make sure no feathers are ruffled in the provider community. The fact there is a c) give a review that's not going to result in scathing feedback for how worthless it is --- often times is a primary motivating factor for giving some honest feedback.

I'm not terribly interested in writing reviews for my own purposes, which has little to do with Wakeup's, so that undoubtedly tinges my viewpoint. But from my perspective this obsession with Wakeup's lack of reviews seems silly.

primary contribution to the boards seems to be his commentary on things he hasn't done or won't share

Well, he's a gadfly. The more he shares, the more he makes himself vulnerable. If he's going to do this persona, he's much better off sharing as little as possible, being sphinx-like about his own endeavors, be mysterious, and therefore his shots are coming either sniper style or mortar style, with little return exposure.

If this is the persona he's going to employ, he's doing it exactly right. The key defense against somebody like that is to not give a shit what he has to say. But instead, you, and many people like you, go in the exact opposite direction. To me, it's as if you enjoy being mowed down.

For people who get their feelings hurt by Wakeup, responses like your's are important, because it makes them realize there are other people who feel the same way. This board would quickly become a more cruel and less fun place if we all cackled with glee at Wakeup's every broadside.

But I still don't agree with the perspective.

I'd rather have a resident asshole who actually cares about the community on some level, than a pure troll whose only motivation is getting as much negative attention as he can. Because there are plenty of those. And whatever Wakeup is, that isn't it.

closed minded attitude

I think there can be such a thing as too much tolerance. One of my favorite phrases is, "Don't keep such an open mind that your brain falls out."

If we all concentrate on being as tolerant as we possibly can be, then in the end, we don't believe in anything strongly enough. There are all kinds of unintended consequences that occur because of tolerance. Some of them are worth the price, but some of them we probably wouldn't pay if we realized the cost. I don't agree with everything Wakeup has to say, and I sure don't always agree with how he says it, but I also know that sometimes we need slaps upside our head to hear a message. When it happens to me, I don't always realize I needed the slap until after it has been administered.

Turds need to be thrown on the table. Wakeup is a professional turd tosser. IMO, it's his most valuable role here. As far as I'm concerned, he's a healthy dynamic for the board.

has a crush on one of the prototypical "good looks, sandpaper personality" ladies

I think Valerie is pretty funny and quick witted, actually. It's easy to see why the two of them would mesh. I enjoy their routine. Not sure why people get bent out of shape about it, really.

no indication he's ever ventured out of his mama's basement in Houston

Other than folks who travel, I'm not sure I can tell if ANYONE on here has ventured out of their mama's basement. But that's often true with message boards. It's a common attack. Especially against voluminous posters who also happen to be polarizing. It's an even easier attack here, because none of us want to divulge a lot of personal details.

He has plenty of defenders who obviously know him on a personal basis and have respect for him. That's enough for me. They wouldn't feel that way if he hadn't earned their respect in different ways. He doesn't have to prove anything to me in terms of how he manages in this world. Nor you. It's a petty shot, frankly.

his "awesome" signature line

It's his warning shot across the bow. To me it says to not take him so seriously. He's fueled in part by righteousness. It doesn't bother me the way it bothers you. I think it's funny!

Draw your own conclusions. If YOU were a provider, would you voluntarily see someone like this?

It's obvious providers do see him. One thing I know, if he sees someone and he tells them something, he's going to mean it. That can go a long way versus someone who always says nice things, to the point they have no credibility any more.

In conclusion, I like extended visits. Wakeup doesn't. Wakeup is dismissive of anyone who likes extended visits and pays for them. Personally, I don't give a shit. Not sure why so many people on this thread do. There are plenty of other guys being dismissive of enjoying an extended visit. Share some of the love. Pick on them, too, if you're so upset someone would disagree.

[pickupkid]

here's an example
http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=698096

[Wakeup]

There's a difference between telling people what to believe and ridiculing them for what they believe...just sayin'...

Fuck 'em if they take it serious...

People who do overnights are idiotic...plain and simple. People who do overnights with Dallas Rain are...um...whew...speechless.. .

[joesmo888]

no.. thats what girlfriends are for.

if you want dinner its really not that hard to get a date. no need to pay an escort for that come on!

[Old-T]

For those who enjoy it, it's not because it's hard to get a date. You miss the entire point: when I do it, it's because I enjoy the company of THAT specific lady.

I am beginning to think it is a waste of electrons to try and explain the difference to a few folks on here. (Actually I've known that for a while, but I'm stubborn at times. Well, most the time.)

[proudoftexas]

Originally Posted by Old-T

I am beginning to think it is a waste of electrons to try and explain the difference to a few folks on here.

The thread started from the position of being flabbergasted that anyone would do it.

And yet, amazingly enough, plenty of men do.

Seen one way, all of our posts are a waste of electrons. But I enjoy the discussions. And let's face it. There aren't many places on the internet you can have these kinds of conversations. That's why I'm grateful this place exists.

Plus, I find the whole thing highly entertaining. I've always preferred people who are willing to make risky decisions over the vanilla, and all of his here participating fall into that category. I think it makes for some interesting dynamics. And this thread has actually been a lot of fun for me.

I think you added a ton to the thread, Old-T. Personally, I'm glad you chose to participate.

[Valerie]

I find so many more men do overnights in London than in the States, not sure why that is, but plenty of men do them indeed.

[inctown]

I think the objection to the "posts no reviews" is this. A review is a way to give back to the greater hobby community. A good review can help a ladies business and can help us guys decide is this the kind of experience I will be happy with. So what it seems like to us is this. He calls us stupid idiots or morons. He enjoys this he has stated as such. If he hobbies he likely based on the reviews that these "morons" put themselves at risk to write. It is the equivalent of s buddy that goes out to eat with you then always says "I forgot my wallet" when the bill shows up.

I am sure some could point out I have 1 review. Yes true I will be posting on soon and I have over 100 reviews on another board with this handle.

I agree his "character" is best played without writing reviews but that is like saying a fart is stronger after eating refried beans. How about not farting in a crowd at all.

I would go on but I don't see the point. As from here forward my ignore list has only one name on it. That will make me enjoy this board just a little more.

[shorty]

I've done one overnight with a good friend of mine. I enjoyed it but then again I always enjoy her company. If I was going to do another overnight with another lady, it would be more of a FuckFest with intermission for Dinner, Partying a little bit. Then it would be back to FuckFest rest of night and into the morning. We can sleep after the session is over.

[Guest030824]

Proudoftexas nice to meet you

Wakeup
I was setting in bed naked with Emerald at 2 this morning eating stale French fries and soggy sandwiches. I have found if you have a naked woman and French fries you can dip them some place besides ketchup. I will write a review this weekend of the fun we both shared. 28 hours of hysterical fun. The first time I have experienced a blonde argue with a GPS and win.

[pickupkid]

So lets see 2 grand plus 80 dollars for dinner plus 50 dollars. For breakfast. Well thats it I'm broke .

[coachstl]

I paid two grand for an overnight with Destiny Monroe in January. Best fucking night of my life.

[JohnnyYanks]

Don't you find that advice on how you should spend your money typically comes from those without much bank of their own?

20/200/2000 - who cares? It's all relative to the pot of gold, no?

[Guest030824]

Where did the 2 grand come from. It was less than a third of that. If you find a woman with class and treat her like she is valued and not a piece of meat you both can obtain what you want. I had 28 hours of fun with a woman that is open to sex more times than this old goat could handle.I walked into a party filled with beautiful women with one on my arm.

[gimme_that]

Originally Posted by tucson

Where did the 2 grand come from.

From this.....

He talking about the first post....u never touched on it.......so admirable as your overnights have been......can those ladies get their rates increased to 2000 and still hope to see you.

Originally Posted by pickupkid

Would you spend $ 2000. to spend the nite with a provider?Is it worth the money?.......And how much of overnite.is sleep time?