Putin Offers Peace in Exchange for Control of Donbas

[HDGristle]

Let them follow the Ukranian constitution then if they want to secede.

[Jacuzzme]

Originally Posted by tommy156

So, you think trump ~isn't~ enriching his family and friends, as well as himself? Wow. Lol. He's selling MAGA merch inside the White House, for fuck's sake. And that's just one, tiny example.

Give Ukraine back every inch of territory Putin has illegally stolen, try Putin for war crimes in the Hague, hold new elections in Russia for his replacement. That's the only "peace deal" worth accepting.

You can want that and feel that it’s just, but it doesn’t change the reality that it’s not going to happen. The only way Russians will be dislodged is with American troops on the ground and in the air. Maybe you feel strongly enough about the matter that thousands of American lives and a hot war with Russia is a worthwhile endeavor. I do not. On this we will have to agree to disagree.

Selling merch ≠ selling your country for 100k/month noshow jobs for your wholly unqualified kids and brother, BTW.

[Jacuzzme]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

Let them follow the Ukranian constitution then if they want to secede.

Like the American political machine facilitated coup in Kiev? I’m no expert on the Ukrainian constitution, but am pretty sure that’s not in it.

[HDGristle]

Whattaboutism. They have a mechanism that doesn't involve sham referendums and armed takeovers by foreign nations.

[Jacuzzme]

So what’s good for the goose is no good for the gander.

[HDGristle]

False equivalence and Russisn taling points won't win the day