Another 'peaceful' ambush of ICE agents. One agent shot by radical leftwing lunatics trying to stop the enforcement of federal immigration laws.

[Ducbutter]

"U.S.
Shooter killed after 3 injured at U.S. Border Patrol building in Texas
By
Updated on: July 8, 2025 / 9:53 AM EDT / CBS News

A shooter opened fire at a Border Patrol facility in McAllen, Texas, on "Monday morning, a Department of Homeland Security spokesperson said.

Border Patrol agents and local police helped "neutralize" the shooter, according to the spokesperson. Border Patrol's Rio Grande Valley Sector, which has six stations along the border, reported that the person is dead."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/shooter...mcallen-texas/

[rooster]

Originally Posted by Lantern2814

That's right. Just continue to ignore the article showing MULTIPLE DEMS making RECENT comments encouraging violence against ICE agents. Calling the Dems out on their violent rhetoric does not make us look bad. Complaining about it doesn't make you look very good.

I'm not ignoring anything. I am trying to put this into objective perspective. You misrepresent "MULTIPLE" as being some significantly large number. It is not.

I stand by what I said: 99+ percent of Democrats do not support violence in these protests.

Calling individuals out for abhorrent rhetoric and behavior would not make you look bad. Implying that millions of people are responsible for this is inaccurate, intentionally insulting, and furthers the divisiveness. .

And your last sentence is not at all justified. I asked you to stop with escalating these attacks to a personal level.

I have already done so.

However, that does not mean that I will not respond to your posts, especially if you continue to target mine. I just will no longer stoop to your level when I respond.

It is your choice whether to continue like this. But I would suggest that over time, you will look worse than me if you do.

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[rooster]

Originally Posted by rooster

Phrasing your question this way maybe does make a point, but it's a cheap one that is generally irrelevant.

They crossed the unacceptable line from protester to violent criminal.

Hopefully, they can be identified and fully prosecuted to the maximum extent of the law.

99+ percent of protesters don't approve of this. I could go on....

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Originally Posted by Ducbutter

Not cheap or irrelevant, just inconvenient for your argument.

True

True

That's clearly not true. You can go on all you like.

I was hoping that you would not prove to be like this, that you were perhaps a bit more neutral and would also be more careful when you make your refutations. I'm starting to think that those hopes were premature.

But I can do this too...

1) Cheap and irrelevant was my opinion. Inconvenient is yours. But you seemingly add fuel to a thread that was started as a dog-whistle to encourage MAGA rhetoric (in my opinion, of course!). "Inconvenient" implies that it somehow casts doubt on my argument that the majority of people... even the Left... do not support violence. And it would do so... if you could actually demonstrate relevance (see #4 below).

2) At least we agree on the important stuff.

3) Ditto.

4) While I do not have published statistics to back up my claims to an absolute, mere common sense says that they are generally accurate. I offer one simple observation: in the VAST majority of recent protests, there was no violence whatsoever. The "No Kings" protests were estimated by some sources as drawing 5 MILLION people, with little reported violence. Meanwhile, this thread has focused on a relatively small number and has been used by some to misrepresent the reality. You should examine whether you have been sucked into that also. "Clearly not true" implies more than opinion. Backing that up could be challenging.

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[Lantern2814]

Originally Posted by rooster

I'm not ignoring anything. I am trying to put this into objective perspective. You misrepresent "MULTIPLE" as being some significantly large number. It is not.

I stand by what I said: 99+ percent of Democrats do not support violence in these protests.

Calling individuals out for abhorrent rhetoric and behavior would not make you look bad. Implying that millions of people are responsible for this is inaccurate, intentionally insulting, and furthers the divisiveness. .

And your last sentence is not at all justified. I asked you to stop with escalating these attacks to a personal level.

I have already done so.

However, that does not mean that I will not respond to your posts, especially if you continue to target mine. I just will no longer stoop to your level when I respond.

It is your choice whether to continue like this. But I would suggest that over time, you will look worse than me if you do.

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No you aren't. You're IGNORING the constant threats that are ONLY coming from the LEFT as far as attacking ICE agents. Stoop to my level? That's rich coming from YOU, a guy who does nothing but sling personal attacks and insults at anybody daring to disagree with him. YOUR party "leadership" endorses violence. And has for years. But keep living in that state of denial. You'll look a lot worse than any of us.

[Ducbutter]

Originally Posted by rooster

I was hoping that you would not prove to be like this, that you were perhaps a bit more neutral and would also be more careful when you make your refutations. I'm starting to think that those hopes were premature.

But I can do this too...

1) Cheap and irrelevant was my opinion. Inconvenient is yours. But you seemingly add fuel to a thread that was started as a dog-whistle to encourage MAGA rhetoric (in my opinion, of course!). "Inconvenient" implies that it somehow casts doubt on my argument that the majority of people... even the Left... do not support violence. And it would do so... if you could actually demonstrate relevance (see #4 below).

2) At least we agree on the important stuff.

3) Ditto.

4) While I do not have published statistics to back up my claims to an absolute, mere common sense says that they are generally accurate. I offer one simple observation: in the VAST majority of recent protests, there was no violence whatsoever. The "No Kings" protests were estimated by some sources as drawing 5 MILLION people, with little reported violence. Meanwhile, this thread has focused on a relatively small number and has been used by some to misrepresent the reality. You should examine whether you have been sucked into that also. "Clearly not true" implies more than opinion. Backing that up could be challenging.

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Your opinion seems to be in the minority. Even amongst your fellow democrats.

"An overwhelming majority of surveyed registered voters say the U.S. has a serious issue with politically motivated violence, according to Quinnipiac University survey results released Thursday."
https://thehill.com/homenews/5371822...serious-issue/

I don't know who the Network Contagion Research Institute is (goofy name though) but their survey results are much different than your unsubstantiated claims.

"To assess support for political violence, all 1,264 U.S. residents surveyed by NCRI were asked to classify their political ideology. The survey defined 'left of center' as those who chose far left, liberal, and slightly liberal. The results among that group reveal that "assassination culture" appears to be emerging."

"Some 38% of the total respondents said it would be "somewhat justified" to murder President Trump, while 31% said the same about Elon Musk. However, for those self-identifying in that group who were more left-leaning, those numbers grew to 48% and 55%, respectively."
https://cbsaustin.com/news/nation-wo...n-musk-liberal

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by Ducbutter

Your opinion seems to be in the minority. Even amongst your fellow democrats.

"An overwhelming majority of surveyed registered voters say the U.S. has a serious issue with politically motivated violence, according to Quinnipiac University survey results released Thursday."
https://thehill.com/homenews/5371822...serious-issue/

I don't know who the Network Contagion Research Institute is (goofy name though) but their survey results are much different than your unsubstantiated claims.

"To assess support for political violence, all 1,264 U.S. residents surveyed by NCRI were asked to classify their political ideology. The survey defined 'left of center' as those who chose far left, liberal, and slightly liberal. The results among that group reveal that "assassination culture" appears to be emerging."

"Some 38% of the total respondents said it would be "somewhat justified" to murder President Trump, while 31% said the same about Elon Musk. However, for those self-identifying in that group who were more left-leaning, those numbers grew to 48% and 55%, respectively."
https://cbsaustin.com/news/nation-wo...n-musk-liberal

Try doing some research on the NCRI.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Networ...arch_Institute

It’s interesting that the study they cite in the article doesn’t address political violence on the right. Asking questions about Elon Musk and Donald Trump on the internet seems just a bit biased to me.

I would love to see a similar study on how conservatives feel about illegal immigrants for instance. Plus there is a huge difference between asking a question in an internet poll than in a real life interview.

I think this study reveals more about the effect of anonymous internet activity than anything else. Which is the mission of the NCRI in the first place. It should also tell you something about the motivations of the OP and this thread.

[Ducbutter]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

Try doing some research on the NCRI.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Networ...arch_Institute

It’s interesting that the study they cite in the article doesn’t address political violence on the right. Asking questions about Elon Musk and Donald Trump on the internet seems just a bit biased to me.

I would love to see a similar study on how conservatives feel about illegal immigrants for instance. Plus there is a huge difference between asking a question in an internet poll than in a real life interview.

I think this study reveals more about the effect of anonymous internet activity than anything else. Which is the mission of the NCRI in the first place. It should also tell you something about the motivations of the OP and this thread.

I did. I saw that(Wiki) before I posted the link from CBS Austin. I assumed they did some as well before reporting it. There's no there there. I challenge you to find anyone in that sphere who doesn't have complaints from someone. Especially with their subject matter, per Wiki. There could well be an issue with their methodology but without any knowledge of said, it's just speculation.
But throw that out , for the sake of argument. I don't think you can cast any serious aspersions at The Hill's motivations and I don't find their survey results any more comforting than NCRI's. I don't however, see any great disparity in their results, personally. Opinions will vary.
I'd venture that right leaning voters express similar feelings around violence, probably more from the Trump extremists. Completely unacceptable as well and violent incidents should be called out by every R without fail, in or out of office.
There have been at least three incidents of ICE members being fired on in the last week to 10 days and I haven't heard any full throated denouncements from the likes of Pelosi, AOC, Jeffries, Schumer. Maybe they're not being quoted in the articles I read?
Ultimately though, my issue with Rooster's position is that his claim is Dems aren't/don't approve of violence so to point out left wing violence is divisive and alarmist. That it's divisive is nonsense and if it's alarmist then 91% of folks are alarmed.

[IAmReallyIronman]

ICE officers doxxed by antifa, anarchists in Portland, Noem says - oregonlive.com

Looks like those masks they like to hide behind aren't going to be much use.


Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem Friday promised swift prosecution of what she called “anarchist and Antifa-affiliated groups” trying to obtain and share personal information of federal immigration officers in Oregon to dox them.

Noem, in a statement and photos, identified Rose City Antifa, “Rose City Counter-Info,” and “The Crustian Daily,” as groups that have published names, photos and personal addresses of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers on their websites or put up fliers in the officers’ neighborhoods. In one case, trash was dumped on the front lawn of an officer’s property, but the location was not disclosed.

“We will prosecute those who dox ICE agents to the fullest extent of the law. These criminals are taking the side of vicious cartels and human traffickers,” Noem said in the statement. “We won’t allow it in America.”

The Crustian Daily publishes what it calls an “ICE LIST,” that starts, “Real Police Don’t Need Masks,” and says its done to hold ICE members accountable, publishing the names, faces and roles of ICE officers, but says it does not publish their home addresses.

The other two groups did not respond immediately to messages seeking comment.

Federal affidavits in the last two months have redacted the names of federal officers involved in the arrests of demonstrators outside the ICE building off South Macadam Avenue, which has become the focal point of protests against President’s Trump immigration crackdown.

Noem also took the opportunity in her Friday statement to slam “ sanctuary cities like Portland,” that prevent local city and state police from working with federal law enforcement.

The secretary’s statement came just days after the Portland City Council’s public safety committee heard testimony from residents, many of whom urged the council to revoke its permit for the ICE field office building on South Macadam, citing the firing of tear gas and chemical munitions by federal officers and disruption to the neighborhood, including the neighboring Cottonwood School.

It also comes days after Trump’s border czar Tom Homan in a televised interview with Fox Business pledged to come to Portland and that immigration agents would be “doubling down, tripling down” on enforcement in sanctuary cities.

[IAmReallyIronman]

Originally Posted by Lantern2814

No you aren't. You're IGNORING the constant threats that are ONLY coming from the LEFT as far as attacking ICE agents. Stoop to my level? That's rich coming from YOU, a guy who does nothing but sling personal attacks and insults at anybody daring to disagree with him. YOUR party "leadership" endorses violence. And has for years. But keep living in that state of denial. You'll look a lot worse than any of us.

That's rich. Grow the fuck up and take a look in the mirror. All you do is come on here and "LEFTIST LEFTIST LEFTIST" for anyone that doesn't believe the silly bullshit you've inhaled. It's pathetic and hilarious all at the same time.

[Ducbutter]

Originally Posted by IAmReallyIronman

ICE officers doxxed by antifa, anarchists in Portland, Noem says - oregonlive.com

Looks like those masks they like to hide behind aren't going to be much use.


Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem Friday promised swift prosecution of what she called “anarchist and Antifa-affiliated groups” trying to obtain and share personal information of federal immigration officers in Oregon to dox them.

Noem, in a statement and photos, identified Rose City Antifa, “Rose City Counter-Info,” and “The Crustian Daily,” as groups that have published names, photos and personal addresses of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers on their websites or put up fliers in the officers’ neighborhoods. In one case, trash was dumped on the front lawn of an officer’s property, but the location was not disclosed.

“We will prosecute those who dox ICE agents to the fullest extent of the law. These criminals are taking the side of vicious cartels and human traffickers,” Noem said in the statement. “We won’t allow it in America.”

The Crustian Daily publishes what it calls an “ICE LIST,” that starts, “Real Police Don’t Need Masks,” and says its done to hold ICE members accountable, publishing the names, faces and roles of ICE officers, but says it does not publish their home addresses.

The other two groups did not respond immediately to messages seeking comment.

Federal affidavits in the last two months have redacted the names of federal officers involved in the arrests of demonstrators outside the ICE building off South Macadam Avenue, which has become the focal point of protests against President’s Trump immigration crackdown.

Noem also took the opportunity in her Friday statement to slam “ sanctuary cities like Portland,” that prevent local city and state police from working with federal law enforcement.

The secretary’s statement came just days after the Portland City Council’s public safety committee heard testimony from residents, many of whom urged the council to revoke its permit for the ICE field office building on South Macadam, citing the firing of tear gas and chemical munitions by federal officers and disruption to the neighborhood, including the neighboring Cottonwood School.

It also comes days after Trump’s border czar Tom Homan in a televised interview with Fox Business pledged to come to Portland and that immigration agents would be “doubling down, tripling down” on enforcement in sanctuary cities.

Fixed the title for you.

[IAmReallyIronman]

Originally Posted by Ducbutter

You're right! I'm really glad to see those ICE cunts getting some consequences for running around in masks terrorizing people just because they aren't white.

Thanks. Fixed your statement for you.

[biomed1]

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[Ducbutter]

Your statement is utter horse shit. You are a perfect example of the problem.
The doxxing of other federal agents is why they wear the masks. But thanks for clearing up that you're in favor of trying to intimidate federal officers doing their jobs.
Pretty sure that there's no uniform for ICE field agents so civvy clothes shouldn't be an issue either. Regardless, there are all sorts of plain clothed law enforcement at every level.
There's no excuse for violence or threats of violence against these officers.



Rooster, pay attention! That's two posters in this thread now who've justified violence against ICE officers.

[rooster]

I don't really agree that they are promoting violence against ICE. I am not comfortable with the DOXing thing for sure. But I am also VERY uncomfortable with ICE using masks. I think the main reason they do it is the intimidation factor. And no other large LE organization does this.

This argument that they can wear street clothes because they don't have uniforms is absurd. They need to have uniforms. They need to identify themselves. They should not be masked in most situations. These tactics are far too close to third world police state behavior.

I have great fear now that ICE will use these violent threats and acts to double down on their behavior. The intimidation will ramp up further, thuggish behavior will be condoned, justified.

And many of us will support it, even though it is further erosion of our rights, freedoms... and morals.

But we will give that up. And all because we have been brainwashed into thinking that it is justified to blame "criminal illegals" for our problems and that they deserve anything that happens to them.

I still maintain that the vast majority of people from virtually all demographics do not support violence. And the fact that my opinion about that is "in the minority" doesn't change anything. My numbers were sloppy, is all. Should have done my research. It isn't anywhere close to the "99+" figure that I quoted as being peaceful, but still... "concern" is not reality. Your response to me above about with the NCRI did cause me to perform a reality check on my... optimism. But it wasn't really a very good argument overall. And that source was not... the best.

I'm not probably not participating in this thread any more. It has just turned into exactly what the OP desired... a bickering, divisive mess. I was naively hoping to stem some of that, get people to consider that we are all in agreement much more than we are not. But too many jump into these threads just to vent hate and promote an agenda.

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[Yssup Rider]

This all from the party of Jan 6 and Charlottesville.

The hypocrisy is thick.

As is the finger pointing.

I do not condone violence of any kind. Nomdo any of my colleagues, friends or family.

Even the Republican ones.