On Juneteenth, the legacy of slavery

[rooster]

Not picking on Catholics, per se. It was just my upbringing, and I found key parts of it very hypocritical.

But as far as "belief" beyond that, I am a true agnostic. I'm very respectful of people who truly are faithful. But I am not. And I hate nothing more than people who use religion as part of an agenda outside of being a good person, living well.

Evangelical Christianity's involvement in politics is becoming very disturbing. Especially the "prosperity gospel" people.

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[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by rooster

Not picking on Catholics, per se. It was just my upbringing, and I found key parts of it very hypocritical.

But as far as "belief" beyond that, I am a true agnostic. I'm very respectful of people who truly are faithful. But I am not. And I hate nothing more than people who use religion as part of an agenda outside of being a good person, living well.

Evangelical Christianity's involvement in politics is becoming very disturbing. Especially the "prosperity gospel" people.

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There is no Christianity involved in politics.

[Salty Again]

... Blimey! .. . The thread topic surely flew right out the window
so some o' you lads could attack religion.

#### Salty

[Jacky S]

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... Blimey! .. . The thread topic surely flew right out the window
so some o' you lads could attack religion.

#### Salty

Salty, “religions” have been creating God in their own image since the dawn of time.

Faith and spirituality are about an individule’s personal standing with what ever Deity he feels compelled to worship.

Religion is about control.

Any “religion” that has as part of it’s teaching that one man can enslave another man is definitely of man, and not of God.

[rooster]

^^^^^^^^^^
Perfectly said.

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[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... Hang on for half-a-mo... No doubt 1blackman1 knows how
Africans became slaves and how they got to America.
Most people understand it.

But, as 1blackman1 stated - how they got to America really
don't matter in the grande scheme of the discussion.

... Because as He correctly reminds everybody:
No mater how or why the slaves got here - They Were Still
Placed Into Slavery!

... They were SLAVES here... No matter WHO brought them.
And THAT is 1blackman1's point.

... Just sayin'


... Though I am tryin' to figure how this thread is political.

#### Salty

Slavery was the cause of states seceding from this country - based on politically legislated actions.

The two congresses, politically, declared war on each other.

Slavery was abolished by an act of Congress.

The disposition of the freed slaves was at the heart of national, state and local politics for a hundred years after the abolition. And continues today.

Still figuring?

[VitaMan]

What gave the northern States the will to sacrifice their sons and fight the Civil War, instead of letting the Southerners secede and continue on with their economic way of life ?


There must have been plenty of protests in the north. What did the people of places like Maine and Vermont get out of it ?

[Jacky S]

Originally Posted by VitaMan

What gave the northern States the will to sacrifice their sons and fight the Civil War, instead of letting the Southerners secede and continue on with their economic way of life ?


There must have been plenty of protests in the north. What did the people of places like Maine and Vermont get out of it ?

Very good question.
And, no doubt, the Northern States Population were far from being 100% in agreement as to why it would take a War to keep the Union together.

But the War did come, and after the first Battle of Bull Run, (Manasas), the North was even more divided, because the reality of men dying in a bloody conflict was very disturbing.

So what brought them together. Many things, far too many to simply start listing them. So I’ll just give my top pick.

It took a man of unusual vision to inspire the Country to look at the Declaration of Independence and our Constitution and see that this great experiment in Government was worth fighting for.

That man was Abraham Lincoln. Just read his words in the Gettysburg Address. If you cannot be inspired by those words, the problem cannot be with the man saying them.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Slavery was the cause of states seceding from this country - based on politically legislated actions.

The two congresses, politically, declared war on each other.

Slavery was abolished by an act of Congress.

The disposition of the freed slaves was at the heart of national, state and local politics for a hundred years after the abolition. And continues today...

Thanks for bringing us back on topic. I wouldn't care but don't want people to get points.

I think Salty actually had changed his mind about whether this is political. And now Vitaman probably has too -- he came back with a truly thought provoking post. And Jacky's reply was great.

Originally Posted by VitaMan

What gave the northern States the will to sacrifice their sons and fight the Civil War, instead of letting the Southerners secede and continue on with their economic way of life ?


There must have been plenty of protests in the north. What did the people of places like Maine and Vermont get out of it ?

As a pacifist I would have wanted to avoid war and put pressure on the south to come around. But if ever there were an American war justified on moral grounds, it was the war between the states.