Is The Grand Ole Party Dead

[Ripmany]

Same thing as the Democratic party and Republican party depends on who gives some money to keep them alive and doesn't matter if they win or lose the songs they keep getting the dough and the money coming

[reddog1951]

So, the common theme is money? Not that I'd believe, cause it's the internet, but who here has put their money where their mouth is...not talking small change.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Tiny

The few that DON'T want to pile on more and more debt are from the right.

Agreed, the Democratic Party wants higher and higher taxes.

Both parties gerrymander whenever they have the chance. Singling out the GOP isn't fair.

And as to voter suppression laws, they may have existed in the past. The courts shut that down. Asking people to present an ID when they're voting or requiring them to sign absentee ballots is not voter suppression. In 2021, voter suppression is a Democratic Party fantasy.

The only time the right does not want to pile on more debt is when a Democrat is in the WH

True on gerrymandering. But it has brought us extremism.

You are foolish about there not being voter suppression. There are 5 states that have had mail in voting with few problems. They shut polling places in heavily democratic regions. limit early voting. On and on. You can not find a study on mass voter fraud in this country. Just look at Georgia's recounts.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by WTF

The only time the right does not want to pile on more debt is when a Democrat is in the WH

True on gerrymandering. But it has brought us extremism.

You are foolish about there not being voter suppression. There are 5 states that have had mail in voting with few problems. They shut polling places in heavily democratic regions. limit early voting. On and on. You can not find a study on mass voter fraud in this country. Just look at Georgia's recounts.

So voter fraud is fine just as long as it's not mass voter fraud? If you eliminate requirements for presenting ID and signature matching, you're inviting mass voter fraud.

As to so called voter suppression in heavily democratic regions, chalk it up to incompetence of regional Democratic leaders. And also to a cynical strategy by national party leaders to try to incite racial division, to get more votes:

Democrats have accused Republican officials of closing voting locations and rationing voting machines, forcing primary voters to wait hours to vote. This is a distortion of the truth, but it fits the narrative that the GOP will do anything to stop racial minorities from voting. Expect to hear it again and again this election.

Former Attorney General Eric Holder, founder of the National Democratic Redistricting Committee, and Stacey Abrams, the defeated Georgia gubernatorial candidate, focused in a recent NDRC fundraising email on “brutal Republican voter suppression” in Texas, where “the state has closed hundreds of polling sites in communities of color and people were forced to wait as long as seven hours to vote!” Their message was simple: “When Republicans can’t win, they cheat.” The Democratic Legislative Campaign Committee, which supports would-be state lawmakers, agreed, calling this a GOP “scheme to rig the rules” and “suppress democracy.”

Democrats were particularly taken with Hervis Rogers of Houston, an African-American man who waited more than six hours to vote at Texas Southern, a historically black university. He cast his ballot at 1:30 a.m. Wednesday, the polls having been kept open for anyone still in line at Tuesday’s 7 p.m. closing.

“We need to restore the Voting Rights Act and stop Republican elected officials from shutting down polling sites,” Hillary Clinton tweeted. Chuck Schumer, the Senate Democratic leader, joined her: “This is unacceptable—and a result of continued GOP attacks on the voting rights of American citizens.”

Such moral outrage. Such righteousness. Such baloney.

Mr. Rogers’s nearly seven-hour wait wasn’t due to a Republican plot. Polling closures and voting-machine shortages were the results of bad decisions by local Democrats. Texas is a red state with exclusively Republican statewide elected officials, but Houston is in Harris County, which is dominated by Democrats. They run elections there.

Harris County Clerk and Chief Election Officer Diane Trautman, a Democrat, was in charge of Super Tuesday’s vote. She ran for office promising to consolidate voting locations so people could cast ballots at “countywide voting centers” rather than at their precincts.

Ms. Trautman’s staff gave Republicans and Democrats the same number of machines at Texas Southern, though any rookie would know that site would have a much larger Democratic primary than Republican. Ms. Trautman could also have listened to GOP officials, who urged that machines be allocated to locations based on historical turnout. Instead she overruled them.

Oh, and it turns out Mr. Rogers, the voter with the longest wait, was ineligible to vote. He’s a felon on parole and, under Texas law, not allowed to register until he completes his sentence in mid-June. Apparently the Democratic tax assessor-collector and voter registrar didn’t check the county’s records when he signed up.


Lina Hidalgo, the Harris County executive, was surprised to discover right before Super Tuesday that Ms. Trautman put two-thirds of polling sites in the county’s more-Republican part while consigning the heavily Democratic part to have more countywide voting centers. Why didn’t Ms. Hidalgo, another Democrat, realize that earlier?

A 2019 study from the Leadership Conference Education Fund, a civil-rights group, found that Texas counties with rapidly growing Latino and black populations reduced their numbers of voting sites. A Texas Democratic Party spokesman blamed Republican officials for it, adding, “People have died to fight for the sanctity of the vote.” Racist Republicans? Look more closely. Out of 254 Texas counties, the three biggest reductions in polling places since 2014 were in Dallas (74); Travis (67), home to Austin; and Harris (52). All three have Democratic county executives, court clerks and tax assessors making the decisions.

The smears weren’t confined to Texas. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez complained that Bernie Sanders lost Michigan because of “rampant voter suppression,” citing University of Michigan students who waited hours to vote. There were also long lines in Los Angeles. Again, Democrats were in charge—Ann Arbor, Mich., has a Democratic mayor and council, and four of five nonpartisan Los Angeles County supervisors previously won office as Democrats.

Accusations of voter suppression are an essential part of the Democratic playbook. So let’s be clear about what these are: cynical attempts by Democrats to generate votes by inciting racial division. People like Mr. Holder, Ms. Abrams, Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Schumer will knowingly undermine confidence in America’s election system and sow racial resentment with baldfaced lies to win. We just witnessed their willingness to use this shameful tactic when, really, local Democratic officials were to blame.

They’ll do it again.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-vot...r-is-back.html

I already know you're going to come back with something about how Republicans used Covid to cut back on polling locations and the like. I'll save you the effort. My reply will be that on the whole the changes to the election process this last November helped Democrats more than Republicans, and is the part of the basis for Trump's baseless claim the election was stolen. (How's that for a contradiction in terms?) And both sides did have logical reasons for the changes, like fewer drop off locations and more mail in voting, that occurred, because of the pandemic.

[1blackman1]

McCarthy is helping kill the Republican Party. If they lose more house seats in 2022 it’ll be McCarthy and Trump’s doing. It’s gonna be a rough two years for Republicans.

[1blackman1]

Why not make voting consistently easier. There can be ways to have safe and secure elections without creating onerous requirements. Have every get A voter card. And allow it to serve as a persons vote ID. Maybe with a PIN number and allow online voting with the PIN number. Have all elections with weeks of early voting rather than days. If Republicans or Democrats believe they are right the. They should win on their ideas Rather than limiting the number of voters, on either side.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

Why not make voting consistently easier. There can be ways to have safe and secure elections without creating onerous requirements. Have every get A voter card. And allow it to serve as a persons vote ID. Maybe with a PIN number and allow online voting with the PIN number. Have all elections with weeks of early voting rather than days. If Republicans or Democrats believe they are right the. They should win on their ideas Rather than limiting the number of voters, on either side.

The PIN number is a novel idea.

The whole ID thing sounds like a made up issue to me. Who doesn't have state photo ID? Well, I've dated a couple of women once upon a time who didn't, but the chances you'd get them to vote in an election were nil. I met one on womenbehindbars.com, so she couldn't vote anyway. We already have weeks of early voting before the election where I live, in a Republican-dominated city and state.

[1blackman1]

Students might not have state ID, people that don’t drive, I’m sure there’s other folks.

Some states, and I think yours is one, doesn’t allow university issued ids but allows hunting licenses. That’s pretty dumb. Creating a voter identification card would be pretty easy and it’ll serve that single purpose.

[DesWad]

Originally Posted by HedonistForever

But you did advocate for violence.

not literally. A "massive shove" sounds a bit better.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

Students might not have state ID, people that don’t drive, I’m sure there’s other folks.

Some states, and I think yours is one, doesn’t allow university issued ids but allows hunting licenses. That’s pretty dumb. Creating a voter identification card would be pretty easy and it’ll serve that single purpose.

Yes, photo ID's issued by the state of Texas, like a Driver's license, election identification card, personal identification card, and handgun license are acceptable. So are ID's issued by the federal government, like military identification card, citizenship certificate, and passport or passport card.

When I was 17, I created a fake college ID to buy beer. It would have been dumb of the election authorities to have allowed me to vote with that.

I don't know how a person functions in society today without a state or federal photo ID. You can't travel on airplanes, buy cigarettes, buy alcohol, enter certain buildings, get certain medical care, go to a bar, etc. without a photo I.D.

Creating an additional ID that would be required for voting, like you proposed, would seem to me to be a form of voter suppression. There have been at least a couple of elections I wouldn't have voted in if I'd had to find or replace my voter registration card.

[HedonistForever]

How's this for irony.


https://www.seattletimes.com/busines...of-a-pandemic/


Amazon presses for in-person voting for unionization election in the midst of a pandemic



Jeff Bezos thought mail in voting was a great idea until it came time for a union vote of Amazon workers

[oeb11]

DPST/ccp - thy mode of operation is Hypocrisy!

[1blackman1]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Yes, photo ID's issued by the state of Texas, like a Driver's license, election identification card, personal identification card, and handgun license are acceptable. So are ID's issued by the federal government, like military identification card, citizenship certificate, and passport or passport card.

When I was 17, I created a fake college ID to buy beer. It would have been dumb of the election authorities to have allowed me to vote with that.

I don't know how a person functions in society today without a state or federal photo ID. You can't travel on airplanes, buy cigarettes, buy alcohol, enter certain buildings, get certain medical care, go to a bar, etc. without a photo I.D.

Creating an additional ID that would be required for voting, like you proposed, would seem to me to be a form of voter suppression. There have been at least a couple of elections I wouldn't have voted in if I'd had to find or replace my voter registration card.

So making a single ID specifically for voting is somehow suppressive. I really don’t know what to say to that. If anything it’s totally egalitarian. Everyone would be in the same boat which is what we want right.

[winn dixie]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

So making a single ID specifically for voting is somehow suppressive. I really don’t know what to say to that. If anything it’s totally egalitarian. Everyone would be in the same boat which is what we want right.

As long as that id requires a U.S. birth certificate im fine with it!

[GastonGlock]

The thing I don't understand is that they always say Voter ID discriminates against poor black folks, but if that's the case, and these people don't have ID, how do they collect government assistance? How does the government know who to give the money to if they don't have your address, work history, etc. Do they just take your word for it?