mueller: new email scandal???

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Do you think it's fair, legal, or constitutional for one side (in any litigation) to know everything the other side has been privately discussing with their attorneys?

Just look at the problem Congress is having getting ALL EMAILS sent by FBI agents from Mueller's team AND Congress HAS DIRECT OVERSIGHT OVER THE FBI! What are the FBI agents doing to the emails BEFORE THEY GET TURNED OVER TO CONGRESS .... reviewing them, redacting them, and withholding some!

How about HillariousNoMore's emails? How long did that take?

When they get to the bottom of this sleazy shit it will be discovered the GSA PERSONNEL were DNC hacks supporting the Clintons and Obaminable and anti-Trump.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Alan Dershowitz IS a Clinton supporter, you dimwitted idiot! He even describes himself as a "proud Hillary Clinton voter". He is also a libertarian - a real one, not a faux one like you. He doesn't abandon his libertarian principles, or the Constitution, to defend hildebeest or attack Trump gratuitously like you do.

Just because you don't like his support of Israel doesn't make him wrong on questions of Constitutional law. You are a moron when you try to discredit him for that reason. He's a brilliant Harvard law professor and he invariably calls it straight. I don't always agree with him but he never fails to present the arguments well. Unlike you. He is the opposite of a MORONIC BUFFOON.

Libertarian? have you seen his position on torture? That is abandoning right there.

Look, he is a bright guy. I too agree with many many of his positions. I just do not care for people that put another country's interest above ours.

And in this case....I think he is wrong. I agree with other constitutional lawyers who disagree with Alan.

Take a breath, let it go....



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[bamscram]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

It's not whining, unless they are yours! Right ButtScramble?


Actually, when Flynn's conviction gets shit canned you can laugh!

Go "request" your neighbors emails from Yahoo!

How about subpoena them!

You'll get the same response ... and then you can "whine"!

Read it and whine.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/frankmi.../#ab6720f7c2d5

[WTF]

Originally Posted by bamscram

Read it and whine.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/frankmi.../#ab6720f7c2d5

Oh my, what will Sean Hannity and Alan D say? Jeffery Tubin made the same case vs Alan D last night on one of the talk shows. lustlad of course think Alan D is beyond reproach.






They also say some of the documents are protected by attorney-client privilege. This argument might be stronger in regards to some communications, but that fight would have to waged in court.
After this debate went public, Peter Carr, a spokesman for Mueller, said, “When we have obtained emails in the course of our ongoing criminal investigation, we have secured either the account owner’s consent or appropriate criminal process.”
Also, GSA Deputy Counsel Lenny Loewentritt says that Trump’s transition officials were told that “in using our devices,” this data “would not be held back in any law enforcement” query. Therefore, he argues, there was no expectation of privacy in regards to these emails.
For these, and other legal reasons, this doesn’t appear to be a battle Trump’s attorneys have a chance of winning.












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[grean]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Did you bother to read the letter released by the transition team lawyer, Kory Langhofer, last Saturday? It reveals the full extent of Mueller’s misconduct.

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000...b-756de2a90000

The GSA’s Legal Counsel, Richard Beckler, concurred that the emails were owned by the transition team last June. He promised to notify them of any document requests from the Special Counsel. In August, he became sick and incapacitated. He has since passed away. Mueller took advantage of his illness to circumvent the agreed process. How slimy is that? Does it sound like something a man of integrity would do?

You ask “where the issue is”. The main issue is the violation of attorney-client privilege. The emails were handed over to Mueller’s team without screening. They are full of conversations with transition team attorneys. Are you aware that if a prosecutor or attorney comes across such privileged communication, they are ethically required to stop reviewing it, tell the other side immediately, and return it? Mueller didn't do that. Trump's lawyers figured it out months later from the questions being asked.

Had Mueller followed long-established rules, as well as the understanding that was reached in June between his own lawyers, the GSA and the transition team lawyers, he would have gone through the proper channels and obtained a warrant for the emails. Then they would have been delivered to him, sans the privileged communications. By failing to do so, he has tainted the investigation and shot himself in the foot.

Do you think it's fair, legal, or constitutional for one side (in any litigation) to know everything the other side has been privately discussing with their attorneys?

Still don’t know where the issue is?

Of course his defense attorney is going to give a full throated defense. Doesn't mean the defense will stand in court.


The Forbes article is interesting.

[garhkal]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

Just look at the problem Congress is having getting ALL EMAILS sent by FBI agents from Mueller's team AND Congress HAS DIRECT OVERSIGHT OVER THE FBI! What are the FBI agents doing to the emails BEFORE THEY GET TURNED OVER TO CONGRESS .... reviewing them, redacting them, and withholding some!

How about HillariousNoMore's emails? How long did that take?

When they get to the bottom of this sleazy shit it will be discovered the GSA PERSONNEL were DNC hacks supporting the Clintons and Obaminable and anti-Trump.

which is why i keep saying CONGRESS needs to issue arrest warrants FOR THOSE hacks at the FBI willfully withholding info, and if nothing happens, CUT THEIR Bloody funding!

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by WTF

Oh my, what will Sean Hannity and Alan D say? Jeffery Tubin made the same case vs Alan D last night on one of the talk shows. lustlad of course think Alan D is beyond reproach.

Alan D. thinks you're beyond stupid. The person he said needs to be beyond reproach - "like Caesar's wife" - is Robert Mueller.


They also say some of the documents are protected by attorney-client privilege. This argument might be stronger in regards to some communications, but that fight would have to waged in court.

Every lawyer on the planet knows if you come across information subject to attorney-client privilege, you have an obligation to stop reviewing it, immediately inform the other side, and return it. Mueller didn't do any of this. He broke a fundamental ethical rule known to every lawyer on the planet. That's a big boo-boo. His investigation is tainted.

Of course at this point, the transition team may decide the damage is already done, so what's the point in going to court to ask for the emails back? They might as well wait and use the "fruit of the poison tree" argument to get everything thrown out later.


After this debate went public, Peter Carr, a spokesman for Mueller, said, “When we have obtained emails in the course of our ongoing criminal investigation, we have secured either the account owner’s consent or appropriate criminal process.”

The GSA doesn't "own" the emails! Before he became ill, the GSA's own Legal Counsel Richard Beckler specifically acknowledged the transition team owned them. The only thing the GSA owns is a lot of empty office buildings.


Also, GSA Deputy Counsel Lenny Loewentritt says that Trump’s transition officials were told that “in using our devices,” this data “would not be held back in any law enforcement” query. Therefore, he argues, there was no expectation of privacy in regards to these emails.

Straw man argument. No one is trying to keep the emails out of the hands of any legitimate law enforcement requests. The GSA had set up a process to notify the owner of the emails (i.e., the transition team) of such requests. Mueller pissed on that agreement. He was sneaky and grabbed the emails after Beckler became ill. He pressured the sick guy's Deputy, Lenny Loewentritt, to keep mum and violate the agreement. Lenny is now trying to cover his ass with lame statements like the above.


For these, and other legal reasons, this doesn’t appear to be a battle Trump’s attorneys have a chance of winning.

Nonsense. If Mueller gets away with this egregious misconduct, it means no future Presidential transition team will ever accept government help while getting ready to assume office. That would be bad for the country.

Funny how none of you libtards has the balls to answer my simple question:

Originally Posted by lustylad

Do you think it's fair, legal, or constitutional for one side (in any litigation) to know everything the other side has been privately discussing with their attorneys?

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by garhkal

which is why i keep saying CONGRESS needs to issue arrest warrants FOR THOSE hacks at the FBI willfully withholding info, and if nothing happens, CUT THEIR Bloody funding!

Congress doesn't issue "arrest warrants" and as for "cutting their funding" fortunately the FBI does a lot of stuff other than conspire to overturn election results by interfering with the newly and duly elected President.

As for this statement by LustyLad: "Every lawyer on the planet knows.." and understatement is ... Most likely not true.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

As for this statement by LustyLad: "Every lawyer on the planet knows.." and understatement is ... Most likely not true.

Not sure what you're saying... When I say every lawyer knows this ethical rule, I don't mean they all comply with it. But it's sad to see Mueller set such a bad example and lower the bar like this.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Funny how none of you libtards has the balls to answer my simple question:
Originally Posted by lustylad
Do you think it's fair, legal, or constitutional for one side (in any litigation) to know everything the other side has been privately discussing with their attorneys?

You mean like Trump asked the Russians to do?

You realize that is exactly wtf Trump asked the hackers to do.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Not sure what you're saying... When I say every lawyer knows this ethical rule, I don't mean they all comply with it. But it's sad to see Mueller set such a bad example and lower the bar like this.

Now we know why Clinton had her own server!

First you cry about not being able to get to Clinton's emails and then you cry because they got to Trump's transition teams emails.

Trump learned from the Mob how stupid it was to have in writing , shady shit!

[goodolboy]

Originally Posted by WTF

Now we know why Clinton had her own server!

First you cry about not being able to get to Clinton's emails and then you cry because they got to Trump's transition teams emails.

Trump learned from the Mob how stupid it was to have in writing , shady shit!

As I recall Crooked Hillery received a federal subpoena requesting her e-mails from her private bathroom server after being asked and refusing. She then deleted everything, smashed all her phones with a hammer then had the server wiped clean with Bleach bit before finally turning it over. There were no charges for any of these actions.

Trump on the other hand does not appear to have been notified or asked in any way.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by goodolboy

Trump on the other hand does not appear to have been notified or asked in any way.

Exactly....which is why I said jokingly wtf I said.

Now we know why she had her own server!



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[lustylad]

Originally Posted by WTF

You mean like Trump asked the Russians to do?

You realize that is exactly wtf Trump asked the hackers to do.

Wrong, fucktard. Those 30,000 emails that the FBI played nice about and let hildebeest delete involved yoga and Chelsea's wedding. We know that because hildawhore told us so. There was nothing subject to attorney-client privilege.

So riddle me this, dickwad - why did the FBI let hildebeest screen her emails, but not the transition team (which would have done it honestly)?

Her emails were government property, including official records and classifed material related to her job as Secretary of State. The transition team's emails were privately owned by a 401(c)(3) non-profit organization that was not part of the US Government. The FBI knew this!

On November 16, 2016, roughly ten days after Trump was elected president, the Chief Records Officer of the U.S. Government sent a letter to all federal agencies reminding them that "the materials that PTT members create or receive are not Federal or Presidential records, but are considered private materials."

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/...s-removal.html

[goodolboy]

Originally Posted by WTF

Exactly....which is why I said jokingly wtf I said.

Now we know why she had her own server!
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We knew all along, no one with half a brain believed her claim that a private bathroom server made it easier for her to e-mail people her yoga routines and wedding pictures.