Health Insurance Premiums Will Be Going Up Because Of The New Tax Plan For The Rich!

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by Mr MojoRisin

Hahahaha, what type of disease will run up a bill in the millions, lol. You sound so stupid.


Jim

He is!

He also has no clue about insurer contracts with health care providers and the billing codes and procedures required by those insurer contracts. In addition he has no clue how medicaid/medicare "coverage" for specific procedures and charges are established as it relates to billing practices of providers.

He just babbles.

[grean]

This is a horrible tax plan but premiums were going up anyway, with or without it.

Cutting the individual mandate, which was a tax, no matter how President Obama wanted to spin it otherwise, will force congress to address the health issue. That was a big cornerstone in the Affordable Care Act. It wold have reduced the deficit a good amount. Without it Obamacare goes into the toilet.

That is fine and well as it will make congress act to fix our health care system.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by grean

This is a horrible tax plan ....

Have you read it yet?

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by Hotrod511

He would be Tinker Bell

pinky bell makes more sense.

[garhkal]

Originally Posted by grean

This is a horrible tax plan but premiums were going up anyway, with or without it.

Cutting the individual mandate, which was a tax, no matter how President Obama wanted to spin it otherwise, will force congress to address the health issue. That was a big cornerstone in the Affordable Care Act. It wold have reduced the deficit a good amount. Without it Obamacare goes into the toilet.

That is fine and well as it will make congress act to fix our health care system.

Its both a FINE/Penalty and a tax imo.

[goodolboy]

Originally Posted by garhkal

Its both a FINE/Penalty and a tax imo.

As I recall Obama and the democrats were adamant that it was NOT a tax. Until it was explained to them by SCOTUS that a fine would be unconstitutional, but a tax would fly. At that moment the democrats changed strategy and claimed it was a tax. Normally completely changing your story in front of the court does not go very well...

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by goodolboy

As I recall Obama and the democrats were adamant that it was NOT a tax. Until it was explained to them by SCOTUS that a fine would be unconstitutional, but a tax would fly. At that moment the democrats changed strategy and claimed it was a tax. Normally completely changing your story in front of the court does not go very well...

Actually it was the court that made that distinction bubba.

Nobody changed his story,

But you, apparently.

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

He is!

He also has no clue about insurer contracts with health care providers and the billing codes and procedures required by those insurer contracts. In addition he has no clue how medicaid/medicare "coverage" for specific procedures and charges are established as it relates to billing practices of providers.

He just babbles.

You have proven over the years that you know nothing about he health care economy.

All you know is that you show your social security card and get your drugs and annual hemorrhoidectomy.

[bambino]

At least now you won’t be “taxed” for not buying Obamacare.

[goodolboy]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Actually it was the court that made that distinction bubba.

Nobody changed his story,

But you, apparently.

Not true, the actual text of the bill described penaltys not a new tax. A tax would have to be initiated by the house, not the senate. The Judge is not supposed to change the defendants flawed argument to help their case, he is supposed to rule based on the argument that they themselves bring.

{"The issue is simple: When the Senate adopted its own bill, installed it inside the shell of a separate and unrelated House bill, called it the Affordable Care Act and passed it, it created a long list of “fees” and “penalties” for Americans to pay.
But the John Roberts-led Supreme Court, recognizing the Constitution doesn’t allow the government to force people to buy consumer products, turned the “fees” and “penalties” into “taxes.”
However, the Constitution requires all tax measures be initiated in the House, not the Senate."}

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by goodolboy

As I recall Obama and the democrats were adamant that it was NOT a tax. Until it was explained to them by SCOTUS that a fine would be unconstitutional, but a tax would fly.

Your recollection is good.

But to claim it's an "incentive" to get people to sign up for health insurance when the premiums will run $1,000 to $1,500 a month is ridiculous.

At best it's an "offset" against the costs, if any, the government has to pay for the noninsured's health care. If there are any costs to be reimbursed by the government.

[grean]

Originally Posted by goodolboy

As I recall Obama and the democrats were adamant that it was NOT a tax. Until it was explained to them by SCOTUS that a fine would be unconstitutional, but a tax would fly. At that moment the democrats changed strategy and claimed it was a tax. Normally completely changing your story in front of the court does not go very well...

A rose by any other name.....

Obama was adamant about it being called a fine and not being a tax. He probably does still is to this day. He was a con law professor so he knew it was a tax, though.

The IRS collects it after all, not health & human services.

I don't where the Constitution provides any authority to levy fees except as taxes.


There was no way to sell it as a tax but Obama knew ultimately the supreme court would side with it because it's a tax.

It's constitutional because it's a tax.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by grean

... Obama knew ultimately the supreme court would side with it because it's a tax.

And you know this how? You really are so full of shit!

A top surrogate for President Obama insisted Friday that the individual mandate in the Affordable Care Act was not a tax — despite the fact that the Supreme Court narrowly preserved the law on those grounds.

"Don't believe the hype that the other side is selling," Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick told reporters on a conference call.

"This is a penalty," Patrick said. "It's about dealing with the freeloaders."

https://www.politico.com/blogs/polit...t-a-tax-127721

And again ...https://www.healthcare.gov/fees/fee-...being-covered/

If you can afford health insurance but choose not to buy it, you may pay a fee called the individual shared responsibility payment. (The fee is sometimes called the "penalty," "fine," or "individual mandate.")

You apologists will say ANYTHING to make that FOOL look "smart"!

He knows less about Constitutional Law than StandinInShit does!

[grean]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

And you know this how? You really are so full of shit!



https://www.politico.com/blogs/polit...t-a-tax-127721

And again ...https://www.healthcare.gov/fees/fee-...being-covered/



You apologists will say ANYTHING to make that FOOL look "smart"!

He knows less about Constitutional Law than StandinInShit does!

Call it what you like. The Constitution gives the government the power to compel you & I to give it money.

When a government does that, it's called a tax.

Obama knows that. SCOTUS knows that. The democratic blue dogs couldn't sell a tax in their districts and therefore would not vote for a tax. Semantics.....

How they could sell it as a mandate rather than a tax I don't understand. Money compelled by the government to come out if their pocket no matter what it was called.

People who say Obama wasn't smart seem even less so themselves.

[goodolboy]

Originally Posted by grean

Call it what you like. The Constitution gives the government the power to compel you & I to give it money.

When a government does that, it's called a tax.

Obama knows that. SCOTUS knows that. The democratic blue dogs couldn't sell a tax in their districts and therefore would not vote for a tax. Semantics.....

How they could sell it as a mandate rather than a tax I don't understand. Money compelled by the government to come out if their pocket no matter what it was called.

People who say Obama wasn't smart seem even less so themselves.

The problem was that the bill as written and shown before the court did NOT fave it listed as a tax but a fee.

The other problem is that All tax bills must originate in the house, this fee/tax originated in the senate, not the house, that is unconstitutional.

{"The issue is simple: When the Senate adopted its own bill, installed it inside the shell of a separate and unrelated House bill, called it the Affordable Care Act and passed it, it created a long list of “fees” and “penalties” for Americans to pay.
But the John Roberts-led Supreme Court, recognizing the Constitution doesn’t allow the government to force people to buy consumer products, turned the “fees” and “penalties” into “taxes.”
However, the Constitution requires all tax measures be initiated in the House, not the Senate."}