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Haggling, Negotiating Pricing, Gifts and Being A Cheap Bastard.... does it work?
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It doesn't work on me, unless you have something to trade that I need and the trade is my idea. For example, I may soon be offering a discount to someone with a pickup willing to help me haul a mattress to the complex compactor.
But as far as bartering down a price, I'm more likely to tell a bargainer to fuck off than I am to bargain. My price points have been scientifically selected to ensure profit for me, and a low volume, quality experience for my client. Especially when my rates were lower, it just seemed tacky as shit to offer me less than I was asking. I know that in certain cultures, bartering is common place for any transaction, but I pretty much expect to be paid what I ask.
I prefer a straight fee to gifts as well and judge anyone who counts his gift or tip as part of the price. Such measures aren't expected on my part, therefore please don't make me feel lucky or honored because you decided to pick up a bottle of cheap wine.
[QUOTE=Miss Scarlet;1056381581]It doesn't work on me, unless you have something to trade that I need and the trade is my idea. For example, I may soon be offering a discount to someone with a pickup willing to help me haul a mattress to the complex compactor.
But as far as bartering down a price, I'm more likely to tell a bargainer to fuck off than I am to bargain. My price points have been scientifically selected to ensure profit for me, and a low volume, quality experience for my client. Especially when my rates were lower, it just seemed tacky as shit to offer me less than I was asking. I know that in certain cultures, bartering is common place for any transaction, but I pretty much expect to be paid what I ask.
I prefer a straight fee to gifts as well and judge anyone who counts his gift or tip as part of the price. Such measures aren't expected on my part, therefore please don't make me feel lucky or honored because you decided to pick up a bottle of cheap wine.[/QUOTE]
With attitude like that I doubt many will trouble you with an offer.
Damn...
And please spare the follow up "I got more business than I need" comment. Its obvious you are an "all about the Benjies" Ho.
It doesn't work on me, unless you have something to trade that I need and the trade is my idea. For example, I may soon be offering a discount to someone with a pickup willing to help me haul a mattress to the complex compactor.
But as far as bartering down a price, I'm more likely to tell a bargainer to fuck off than I am to bargain. My price points have been scientifically selected to ensure profit for me, and a low volume, quality experience for my client. Especially when my rates were lower, it just seemed tacky as shit to offer me less than I was asking. I know that in certain cultures, bartering is common place for any transaction, but I pretty much expect to be paid what I ask.
I prefer a straight fee to gifts as well and judge anyone who counts his gift or tip as part of the price. Such measures aren't expected on my part, therefore please don't make me feel lucky or honored because you decided to pick up a bottle of cheap wine.[/QUOTE]
With attitude like that I doubt many will trouble you with an offer.
Damn...
And please spare the follow up "I got more business than I need" comment. Its obvious you are an "all about the Benjies" Ho.
It's fairly difficult to quote you with all the graphics involved, I feel like I'm editing a children's book.
I'm honestly not sure what "benjies" are, although I'm guessing you're choosing to use street slang to belittle my profit based business model in a seemingly cheap fashion. Of course I like money, duh. I wouldn't be here otherwise.
Believe it or not, nice, discerning gentlemen exist in the hobby. My persona on the board is not necessarily indicative of my persona during a session. Yes, I realize that I may be scaring off potential clients with my brazenness (rudeness, Yankeeness, call it what you will,) but some people actually like a girl who's not trying to ingratiate herself to every cock on here.
And at the end of the day, there's no winning with you. Whatever I say, you will pick apart because you're a big man behind a computer, free to say whatever you want, and I'm a fat girl daring to be picky about the clients I see.
God forbid I have standards, I should consider myself lucky that anyone would ever lay cash on my nightstand as they thank me profusely for a wonderful experience.
I'm not going to get along with every client, just as you're not going to get along with every provider. I'm not telling you that you need to see me, because you're totally wrong about me and I'll change your mind. That will never happen, obviously. The original thread was requesting information of a subject, I gave objective information and you launched a personal attack.
It must be my lucky day! Toyz has finally noticed me enough to directly insult me, I feel validated and initiated.
It's fairly difficult to quote you with all the graphics involved, I feel like I'm editing a children's book.
I'm honestly not sure what "benjies" are, although I'm guessing you're choosing to use street slang to belittle my profit based business model in a seemingly cheap fashion. Of course I like money, duh. I wouldn't be here otherwise.
Believe it or not, nice, discerning gentlemen exist in the hobby. My persona on the board is not necessarily indicative of my persona during a session. Yes, I realize that I may be scaring off potential clients with my brazenness (rudeness, Yankeeness, call it what you will,) but some people actually like a girl who's not trying to ingratiate herself to every cock on here.
And at the end of the day, there's no winning with you. Whatever I say, you will pick apart because you're a big man behind a computer, free to say whatever you want, and I'm a fat girl daring to be picky about the clients I see.
God forbid I have standards, I should consider myself lucky that anyone would ever lay cash on my nightstand as they thank me profusely for a wonderful experience.
I'm not going to get along with every client, just as you're not going to get along with every provider. I'm not telling you that you need to see me, because you're totally wrong about me and I'll change your mind. That will never happen, obviously. The original thread was requesting information of a subject, I gave objective information and you launched a personal attack.
It must be my lucky day! Toyz has finally noticed me enough to directly insult me, I feel validated and initiated.
It had nothing to do with your size...
Nothing to do with you wanting to maintain your pricing structure (which is not out of line BTW)...
Nothing to do with you being a Yankee, if you are...
"Believe it or not" I am a nice gentleman...
I'm actually not that big, roughly 5'10" 210#...
You just seemed disproportionately angry at this mysterious "haggler" who may or may not exist in your world & I called it out, that's all. I also don't think I was excessively rude, just stating a comment to your slam on men as a whole who might have the audacity to see you but might want (for whatever reason) to see if you could modify your pricing structure.
And if I somehow made you feel validated then my job is complete. You are welcome.
Dear Toyz, It is always about the "Benjies"!!! Do you think women would get into this business and let random guys slober and breathe heavy on them and hump them for free or for crappy pay? Women are not in it for sex, they can get sex anytime they want from pretty much any man they want. It's always the pay....please remember that. They do not want to go on RW dates or have endless chat with you. Its the size of the wallet and how generous a man is with it.
If you want someone who is not about the money..get a GF. Wait...they are about the money too and cost way more than any provider cost in the long run-plus sex would be on their terms and you would have to fix things around the house and listen to them complain all the time.
Dear Toyz, It is always about the "Benjies"!!! Do you think women would get into this business and let random guys slober and breathe heavy on them and hump them for free or for crappy pay? Women are not in it for sex, they can get sex anytime they want from pretty much any man they want. It's always the pay....please remember that. They do not want to go on RW dates or have endless chat with you. Its the size of the wallet and how generous a man is with it.
If you want someone who is not about the money..get a GF. Wait...they are about the money too and cost way more than any provider cost in the long run-plus sex would be on their terms and you would have to fix things around the house and listen to them complain all the time.
DW, I know you mean well. Or you are just grandstanding for attention (which is cool too). But please don't try to be another "Oracle of Wisdom" we have far too many of those on the board as it is.
Taking my comment on Benjies and going literal with it either shows you don't fully understand the context I delivered it under, or more likely; you just wanted to jump center stage.
And don't apply your blanket statement above to me...you would be surprised that it doesn't always hold true. Might hold true for you, I don't know.
Dear Toyz, It is always about the "Benjies"!!! Do you think women would get into this business and let random guys slober and breathe heavy on them and hump them for free or for crappy pay? Women are not in it for sex, they can get sex anytime they want from pretty much any man they want. It's always the pay....please remember that. They do not want to go on RW dates or have endless chat with you. Its the size of the wallet and how generous a man is with it.
If you want someone who is not about the money..get a GF. Wait...they are about the money too and cost way more than any provider cost in the long run-plus sex would be on their terms and you would have to fix things around the house and listen to them complain all the time.
I've recently incorporated VIP rates for guys who have seen me a certain number of times. My preferred date is an extended date, so the VIP rate structure is for 4 hours plus. I think it gets the point across. At the rate I'm at, I have very little problems with hagglers, but the VIP rate structure has pretty much eliminated it. (That or I am just deleting the messages... Lol.)
I've had some who have asked for lower rates, and over the two years I've done this, I have learned that 9 out of 10 of them 1. Write reviews critiquing petty things, 2. They become more & more demanding, 3. They talk smack behind my back, 4. They are the hardest to please 5. I never have more than one date with them and 6. If I do, I usually am the one to discard the guys.
My motto is, what is my standard for myself, and what do I need to be paid to reach that standard every time? This means facility, supplies, personal grooming, clothing, and availability.
I also ask myself if I would want my generous, full paying customers to know I just gave this first timer a discount. Nope!
The VIP rates have supplied guys the opportunity to get those vacations, extended dates, and longer term relationships at a more affordable rate.
Haggling will get a guy on my private shit list. I assume a guy who says he runs a business understands the cost in running a luxury business. Based on that knowledge alone, I know the guy has no regard for my financial needs to meet his expectations, and still make a decent net income. But you bet your butt he, more than anyone, will expect a $300 room along with his $300 offer, and he'll also ask me to validate his parking, have my entire body waxed, my hair colored and cut, mani-pedi, top shelf drinks, expensive lingerie, regular facials for smooth skin, and a smile on my face.
The above are things I already supply. And all of that comes out of my income, which comes from my paying clients - so not only is he mooching off of my business expenses, he's grazing off of my other clients too.
Not attractive, by any means. I've done it, I've jumped through hoops the same as I would for a full paying client, but boy oh boy, it's never turned out well. My life has been so much nicer since I've gone by my assumption and not dealt with them in the first place.
What has turned out well, are regular clients who are over generous, to where I've done OTC time with, and they became Sugar Daddies. Those guys have already proved themselves, and keep proving. If I have a guy throwing money at me just for shits and giggles, better believe that guy is going to be taken care of.
DW, I know you mean well. Or you are just grandstanding for attention (which is cool too). But please don't try to be another "Oracle of Wisdom" we have far too many of those on the board as it is.
Taking my comment on Benjies and going literal with it either shows you don't fully understand the context I delivered it under, or more likely; you just wanted to jump center stage.
And don't apply your blanket statement above to me...you would be surprised that it doesn't always hold true. Might hold true for you, I don't know.
Toyz tell her you don't "slober" you should pay less. Me.... me thinks I'll just keep paying what they ask.
I've recently incorporated VIP rates for guys who have seen me 5+ times. My preferred date is an extended date, so the VIP rate structure is for 4 hours plus. At the rate I'm at, I have very little problems with hagglers, but the VIP rate structure has pretty much eliminated it. (That or I am just deleting the messages... Lol.)
I've had some who have asked for lower rates, and over the two years I've done this, I have learned that 9 out of 10 of them 1. Write reviews critiquing petty things, 2. They become more & more demanding, 3. They talk smack behind my back, 4. They are the hardest to please and 5. I never have more than one date with them and 6. If I do, I usually am the one to discard the guys.
My motto is, what is my standard for myself, and what do I need to be paid to reach that standard every time? This means facility, supplies, personal grooming, clothing, and availability.
I also ask myself if I would want my generous, full paying customers to know I just gave this first timer a discount. Nope!
The VIP rates have supplied guys the opportunity to get those vacations, extended dates, and longer term relationships at a more affordable rate.
Haggling will get a guy on my private shit list. I assume a guy who says he runs a business should understand the cost in running a luxury business. Based on that assumption, the guy has no regard for my financial needs to meet his expectations, and still make a decent net income. But you bet your butt he, more than anyone, will expect a $300 room along with his $300 offer, and he'll also ask me to validate his parking, have my entire body waxed, my hair colored and cut, mani-pedi, top shelf drinks, expensive lingerie, regular facials for smooth skin, and a smile on my face.
All of that comes out of my income, which comes from my paying clients - so not only is he mooching off of my business expenses, he's grazing off of my other clients too.
Not attractive, by any means. I've done it, I've jumped through hoops the same as I would for a full paying client, but boy oh boy, it's never turned out well.
What has turned out well, are regular clients who are over generous, to where I've done OTC time with, and they became Sugar Daddies. If I have a guy throwing money at me just for shits and giggles, better believe that guy is going to be taken care of.
How very interesting. Interesting because this is where I jump to the OTHER side of the fence. I can pretty much pay (Like other guys here!) anything I want for a session. $200, $250, $300, $400, $500... how about double that? But why should I because I can? What is a lady going to do for me that others don't at published prices. Oh wait you're that super hot? You're so much in demand not only should a guy pay your asking price but is he wants to see you more often perhaps more? I know hobbyists that do that. As we speak guys are offering up $700-$1,000 per hour when asking price is $300 because they want to be put at the top of a very long line or list. Supply and demand I guess.
All of us want value when we spend our money. Nobody wants to spend more than they have to. Some will pay more for convenience. But paying more because you can makes zero sense to me. As a hooker the magic is marketing yourself getting guys believe you are worth it.
How very interesting. Interesting because this is where I jump to the OTHER side of the fence. I can pretty much pay (Like other guys here!) anything I want for a session. $200, $250, $300, $400, $500... how about double that? But why should I because I can? What is a lady going to do for me that others don't at published prices. Oh wait you're that super hot? You're so much in demand not only should a guy pay your asking price but is he wants to see you more often perhaps more? I know hobbyists that do that. As we speak guys are offering up $700-$1,000 per hour when asking price is $300 because they want to be put at the top of a very long line or list. Supply and demand I guess.
All of us want value when we spend our money. Nobody wants to spend more than they have to. Some will pay more for convenience. But paying more because you can makes zero sense to me. As a hooker the magic is marketing yourself getting guys believe you are worth it.
Toyz tell her you don't "slober" you should pay less. Me.... me thinks I'll just keep paying what they ask.
The few that got me to the point of slobbering usually enjoyed it themselves and contacted ME to see if I wanted to have another go at it.
Besides I always bring my own drool rag for those occasions.
Yah, I know its all about the $, but just every so often-its not. And its EASY to tell which ones are capable of connecting beyond the normal prostitution connection, again, not many are capable or interested...and fewer still that I am interested in more than the session.
"Haggling" is a loaded word & has no discernibly good connotation. If a girl doesn't want to haggle, just say "NO". Some of them should be glad anyone is interested at any price...
"Negotiation" happens all the time-in every business-for anyone to think they are above that is really kind of funny to me, sorry. Doesn't mean you have to accept the offer, but to take offense across the entire spectrum of possibilities is to me a stupid business model. But it ain't my business, so its just my opinion.
If you draw a line in the sand over $20-$40, then good for you. You are extracting the maximum from the monger pool & I guess should be commended for it? But I doubt current pricing structures are based on what you "think" you are worth. Moreso on what the market will bare and LARGELY on what others charge (or you think they are charging). I promise for everyone that never budges on a posted rate, there are 4 who will do sweetheart deals, "just for you baby" deals, pay the rent deals, keep the lights on deals, get the oil changed deals, I-need-a-fucking-mani-pedi deal...etc. Not a ONE of them will speak up in this thread...why? Because once it becomes common knowledge that you will budge, then EVERYONE expects it.
SL wrote this KNOWING no girls would say "I'll bargain", because you can't go public with it.
Fun to read all the Hoogar comments on how they "never" change rates though..I got a chuckle out of it.
Your wrong... I read the damn thing! You can't grasp my perspective so I didn't understand yours?
If this doesn't clarify, (a different angle,) I'll assume you know me from elsewhere and have formed an opinion of me based on back channel or association.
Somewhere you read that I said "I'm so hot and in demand, I think guys should pay me $700-$1000/hour". My rates are based off of a $400/hour structure. My VIP rates, off of $300/hour structure. (After 4 hours.) and my client line up is not what anyone thinks it is. Intentionally. I average very few clients per month. (Home) hence, the rates. Most of which are regulars and VIP's.
Somewhere you read I was slamming guys who hire ladies who charge less. That's not haggling. That's awesome that the guys pay their full rate.
Somewhere you read that I say guys should pay more than they have to, and guys who don't aren't worthy. Nope. My $300 reference is related to experiences I have had on numerous occasions, where I tried to be nice and give compassion for someone's budget limitations, did a discounted hour, when my minimum was a higher time minimum, and afterwards they told all their friends they paid full price, and I didn't provide what a $600 minimum lady should provide, room wise, or otherwise. (Numbers are examples) Things like that have happened to me over and over again. And I've learned from my experience that I do not deal well with it, so I simply eliminated the problem.
Just like any girl who looks good and has assertive skills is not attractive to some because of their experiences.
For the record, I don't think its a good idea for guys to even tip much at all. I've seen way too many people get taken advantage of that way, and have their world shattered over and over again because the girl led him wrong, then threw dirt in his face as soon as he ran out of supplies for a while. If a guy experiences this, or has a friend who has, he's going to see every hooker with a voice as a bad person.
Those kinds of ladies give us a bad name. Not all higher rate escorts are bad. They just have limitations, and prices do help manage the work load.
I happen to feel empathy for people, and need to put up stronger walls so I don't give in. Because just like there are women out there who prey on your weaknesses, there are guys who pray on ours too. I personally have to self analyze, create protocol, and adjust accordingly based on what I can handle vs what is coming at me. I've only got me in this world. No one else. So I do what I feel is best for me, and if someone tries to ruin it, instead of creating drama, or blaming everyone else for my hurts and pains, I blame myself, and change things up on my end.
