BBBJ vs BBFS

[WTF]

Originally Posted by CarolineDavenport

Hmm. It seems you think I was attacking you. If you review my board history, you'll learn that's not my style. I asked a question that stemmed from curiosity and perhaps some skepticism on motive. Yes, you absolutely have the right to post whatever you wish within the rules. I also have the right to question what value or purpose it serves. That doesn't make me your enemy. Don't be so quick to bite those who are willing to challenge you, and kiss those who are willing to stroke your ego. There are vipers among us. Don't sell your objectivity for the price of a sweet nothing.

You'd do well to heed your own advice.

[Horizontal Driller]

All the passive aggressive bullshit in this threAD has me pining for Luxury Daphne.

Bitch, if you don't STFU I'll get all up in your ass like a brand new thong. -Luxury Daphne

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Camille Fox

Besides not being able to get pregnant, here is some very convincing evidence that BBBJ is NOT the same as BBFS...

http://mobile.aidsmap.com/Oral-sex-c...y/page/1414272

So would you suck a HIV positive cock bareback with CIM based on this study?



It is thought that certain factors increase the chances of passing on HIV through oral sex. These include the HIV-positive person having a high viral load. In the Madrid study, viral load results were only available for 60 members of the cohort. Of these 10% (6) had a viral load above 10,000 copies/ml. CD4 counts below 200 cells/mm3 were recorded in 15.6% of the HIV-positive people in the study.
Other risk factors include the HIV-positive person ejaculating into the mouth of their partner; the presence of an sexually transmitted infection; and poor oral health. Amongst the HIV-positive men, 34% ejaculated into the mouths of their partners and vaginal infections were detected in two of the HIV-positive women who had cunnilingus performed on them by a HIV-negative partner.

[Camille Fox]

Is that what said? We are talking about taking risks, right? We don't know who has what, do we? I don't run a lab from my incall. All I can do is screen, maintain the level of protection I decided on no matter what, and get tested frequently. We, as providers and hobbyists look up risks and make decisions. Unfortunately, the only way to be 100% safe, is not to partake.

Edit: the question of whether I would engage with anyone knowingly to have any infection is answered by a simple "no". I don't even see clients who look like they have the cold. The OP asked if BBFS was the same as bbbj. How many studies are out there that show infection rate for Bbfs?

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Camille Fox

Is that what said? We are talking about taking risks, right? We don't know who has what, do we? I don't run a lab from my incall. All I can do is screen, maintain the level of protection I decided on no matter what, and get tested frequently. We, as providers and hobbyists look up risks and make decisions. Unfortunately, the only way to be 100% safe, is not to partake.

Yet you provided a link showing that bbbj's even with HIV positive people is relative safe.

Originally Posted by Camille Fox

Edit: the question of whether I would engage with anyone knowingly to have any infection is answered by a simple "no". I don't even see clients who look like they have the cold. The OP asked if BBFS was the same as bbbj. How many studies are out there that show infection rate for Bbfs?

I would expect you and other providers to know this. You have about the same risk of HIV transmission via BBFS with a HIV positive male as when giving that HIV positive male a bbbj. The risk is not mitigated as some have suggested by saliva unless you are a komodo dragon. The risk involves open sores among other things.







http://www.aidsmap.com/Estimated-ris.../page/1324038/

Estimated HIV transmission risk per exposure for specific activities and events

Activity
Risk-per-exposure
Vaginal sex, female-to-male, studies in high-income countries
0.04% (1:2380)
Vaginal sex, male-to-female, studies in high-income countries
0.08% (1:1234)
Vaginal sex, female-to-male, studies in low-income countries
0.38% (1:263)
Vaginal sex, male-to-female, studies in low-income countries
0.30% (1:333)
Vaginal sex, source partner is asymptomatic
0.07% (1:1428)
Vaginal sex, source partner has late-stage disease
0.55% (1:180)
Receptive anal sex amongst gay men, partner unknown status
0.27% (1:370)
Receptive anal sex amongst gay men, partner HIV positive
0.82% (1:123)
Receptive anal sex with condom, gay men, partner unknown status
0.18% (1:555)
Insertive anal sex, gay men, partner unknown status
0.06% (1:1666)
Insertive anal sex with condom, gay men, partner unknown status
0.04% (1:2500)
Receptive fellatio
Estimates range from 0.00% to 0.04% (1:2500)
Mother-to-child, mother takes at least two weeks antiretroviral therapy
0.8% (1:125)
Mother-to-child, mother takes combination therapy, viral load below 50
0.1% (1:1000)
Injecting drug use
Estimates range from 0.63% (1:158) to 2.4% (1:41)
Needlestick injury, no other risk factors
0.13% (1:769)
Blood transfusion with contaminated blood
92.5% (9:10)

[Camille Fox]

I would expect you and other providers to know that.


Estimated HIV transmission risk per exposure for specific activities and events

Activity
Risk-per-exposure
Vaginal sex, female-to-male, studies in high-income countries
0.04% (1:2380)
Vaginal sex, male-to-female, studies in high-income countries
0.08% (1:1234)
Vaginal sex, female-to-male, studies in low-income countries
0.38% (1:263)
Vaginal sex, male-to-female, studies in low-income countries
0.30% (1:333)
Vaginal sex, source partner is asymptomatic
0.07% (1:1428)
Vaginal sex, source partner has late-stage disease
0.55% (1:180)
Receptive anal sex amongst gay men, partner unknown status
0.27% (1:370)
Receptive anal sex amongst gay men, partner HIV positive
0.82% (1:123)
Receptive anal sex with condom, gay men, partner unknown status
0.18% (1:555)
Insertive anal sex, gay men, partner unknown status
0.06% (1:1666)
Insertive anal sex with condom, gay men, partner unknown status
0.04% (1:2500)
Receptive fellatio
Estimates range from 0.00% to 0.04% (1:2500)
Mother-to-child, mother takes at least two weeks antiretroviral therapy
0.8% (1:125)
Mother-to-child, mother takes combination therapy, viral load below 50
0.1% (1:1000)
Injecting drug use
Estimates range from 0.63% (1:158) to 2.4% (1:41)
Needlestick injury, no other risk factors
0.13% (1:769)
Blood transfusion with contaminated blood
92.5% (9:10)[/QUOTE]


Thank you for looking it up, but it was a rethorical question. You can compare the results as well to the quoted study with the percentages above.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Camille Fox

Thank you for looking it up, but it was a rethorical question. You can compare the results as well to the quoted study with the percentages above.

Well maybe it shouldn't be a rhetorical question. Maybe more people both male and female should know the answer to these questions and there would not be as much misconceptions floating around.

Nobody has answered the OP's question if I understood her question correctly to be the different STD risk factor between the two activities.

Obviously a blowjob is a different hole than your vagina but what is the actual risk factor differential? Besides getting preggo....

[boardman]

Originally Posted by WTF

Well maybe it shouldn't be a rhetorical question. Maybe more people both male and female should know the answer to these questions and there would not be as much misconceptions floating around.

Nobody has answered the OP's question if I understood her question correctly to be the different STD risk factor between the two activities.

Obviously a blowjob is a different hole than your vagina but what is the actual risk factor differential? Besides getting preggo....

Looks like you've got the answer but my brain fog is to heavy to decipher it. Can you break it down?

[WTF]

Originally Posted by boardman

Looks like you've got the answer but my brain fog is to heavy to decipher it. Can you break it down?

Surely the ladies that have posted in this thread know the answer. .. they sure have posted as such. Why don't we let them tell us...

[Lauren Mayfair]

^^^The risk is lower if you're the first of the day.

[Camille Fox]

I am in complete agreement that we all should be aware of risks. Like I said, only 100% safe way of doing any of this is to make a conscious decision to stay at a 100% monogamous relationship and not be in the hobby at all:

Oral sex (no percentages here but gives you an idea)

http://sfcityclinic.org/stdbasics/stdchart.asp

And you may cross reference your information here to specific disease:

http://m.cdc.gov/page?url=http://www.cdc.gov/std/


Also, one needs to consider how often one gets tested and how easily the diseases you are putting yourself at risk are treatable or not.

For those uncomfortable with the risks, as I said, stay sex-free or monogamous (both partners).


What can I say? Life is nasty.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Lauren Mayfair

^^^The risk is lower if you're the first of the day.

To keep the theme of safety this thread would demand a virgin

[glade55]

Originally Posted by The Player

A BBBJ is risky these days especially in a strip club. Not like the old days when it was part of scene. I don't know why so many guys on here and their ATFs lie about BBFS. Many of them provide it to their regulars and we know some providers that get these constant great reviews and fabulous fees are doing more than is report. Look at the HDH Porn pros when we know that everyone they do scenes with aren't protected even when they provide BBBJ.

Think about the provider who provide gangbangs or attend the swingers clubs or even the HVH (high volume hotties) who routinely see ten or more guys a day.

+10 !

[GlobeSpotter]

I am a scientist.

Laugh if you want....but I'm also a smart guy....although never the captain of an ncaa debate team.

I've also have had two statistics classes from the engineering college....not the math department.

But these percentages and odds make no sense to me.

Opposite example.....on a condomless birth control method, it was documented to be 88% effective. But i barebacked one girl in college almost 1000 times and we don't have 120 children. not even one.

Back on topic. Some data above suggest odds like 1 in 1000. That's basically how many got infected divided by the number of attempts.

But on any given attempt that resulted in infection, it only took one attempt. No science or smarts necessary to figure that out.




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[WTF]

Originally Posted by GlobeSpotter

I am a scientist.






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But have you discovered the reason why ladies brag and brag about their bbbj skills yet deny ever engaging in bbfs as if it is a death sentence?