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Old 01-30-2016, 08:10 PM   #436
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Do you even realize what you are saying? The Coop lost money because the ratio of their high risk policy holder to their low risk policy holders was high( unbalanced risk pool). The end result was CLAIMS paid out far exceeded premiums collected. When that happens the insurance company loses money (it doesn't matter what is being insured). We have already covered unbalanced risk pools.

The point I was making in the other post was that in the STATE OF KENTUCKY the percentage insured increased with the passing of the ACA law. A lot of folks got health insurance for the VERY FIRST TIME.
do you realize what you are saying? ACA is BANKRUPTING the states. idiot. try harder

and that's with FED subsidies. TRY HARDER.
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Old 01-30-2016, 08:33 PM   #437
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do you realize what you are saying? ACA is BANKRUPTING the states. idiot. try harder

and that's with FED subsidies. TRY HARDER.
I didn't say that the ACA was Free dude. It's a TRILLION dollar expense for the Federal Government you fucking FOOL. When a state has a disaster where do they go to get money? The Federal Government. You are getting as bad as LLIDIOT.
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Many in the state of Kentucky would disagree with you. Over 300,000 people in the state of Kentucky got health insurance due to the passing of the ACA law. Many got health insurance for the very first time.
Yeah, Kentuckians are so cock-a-hoop about Obamacare that they just elected a Republican Governor:


The GOP picked up the Kentucky governorship for only the second time in 44 years as businessman Matt Bevin hung President Obama’s signature domestic achievement around Bluegrass State Democrats. Mr. Bevin trailed Attorney General Jack Conway in the polls for most of the campaign, but a late surge produced a GOP rout... Mr. Bevin won 53%-44% and swept 107 of Kentucky’s 120 counties—including a few liberal strongholds.

The national press had made Kentucky a showcase of the Affordable Care Act, touting Democratic Governor Steve Beshear’s state-run exchange, KYnect, and his Medicaid expansion. The local results weren’t so cheery. Two-fifths of Kentucky hospitals have had to cut services due to soaring Medicaid costs. Thousands of residents lost the health-care plans they liked, and most insurers on Kynect are increasing premiums by double-digits. In terrible timing for Mr. Conway, the Kentucky Health Cooperative, the largest insurer on the ObamaCare exchange, imploded in October, leaving 51,000 residents without coverage.



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Old 01-30-2016, 08:48 PM   #439
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ObamaCare’s Failure Contagion

The collapse of the co-ops is punishing other insurers.


Nov. 9, 2015 7:41 p.m. ET

The majority of ObamaCare’s insurance co-ops—12 of 23—have now folded, and their $1.24 billion in federal loans has all but vaporized. More will fail, nearly a million Americans may lose coverage, and now the contagion from their failures is spreading.

The co-ops are government-sponsored nonprofits that were supposed to increase competition, but instead they’re causing the greatest insurance disruption in decades. The co-ops aren’t merely jilting their displaced members or the taxpayers who supplied their “seed money.” Local regulators are defying the feds to close them because other insurers are liable for their toxic balance sheets.

After the S&L crisis in which a wave of health and life insurers were collateral damage and defaulted on bills, the states that regulate insurers prioritized stability over innovation. By and large, they’ve ensured that health insurers are conservatively managed and well capitalized, and insolvencies are rare.

Only five health insurers of any significant size have failed since the 2008 financial panic, along with another 10 life insurers writing health policies on the side, according the National Organization of Life and Health Insurance Guaranty Associations. The last time a dozen or more life and health insurers failed in a single year was 1994, when 13 went under, and the rolling 10-year average is 1.7.

At the direction of state insurance commissions, receivership groups called guaranty associations wind down troubled insurers and sell off assets. But under the guaranty process, any pending or outstanding obligations to policyholders, doctors or hospitals after liquidation are then transferred to all other insurers doing in-state business, based on market share.

So ultimately all consumers will pay for the co-op implosion as their IOUs are passed to commercial insurers. Guaranty associations typically are financed ex post facto, depending on how much is required, so no one can know how bad the arrears will be. But they will not be negligible, and not all the runoffs will be orderly.

Some co-ops were hapless amateurs—Maryland’s Evergreen Health signed up all of 450 members in the first enrollment period—but others became major ObamaCare players. Health Cooperative (now defunct) in Kentucky snapped up three of four consumers on the KYnect exchange. Health Republic Insurance (defunct) was New York’s second-largest individual carrier with 19% of the market and Utah’s Arches Health Plan (defunct) took 25%. One of five beneficiaries joined a co-op in year one and enrollment surged 150% for 2015.

Most co-ops that grew the fastest are now ruined—namely, six of the eight that exceeded the enrollment projections in their loan applications. The reason is that they bought customers with discounted premiums below the cost of medical claims.

The Government Accountability Office reports that average co-op rates were lower than commercial health plans in 54% to 63% of the regions where they competed, depending on the coverage. You don’t have to be a bankruptcy specialist on par with Donald Trump to understand that loading up on clients who are consuming health care but aren’t paying close to full freight is unsustainable.

Liberals pretended that these synthetic prices were the result of a lack of “profits,” as if insurance wasn’t already a low-margin business. But the plan all along was for the co-ops to ride their special advantages to dominance over private industry and use “risk corridor” and other ObamaCare slush fund dollars to bail them out.

Congress partially defunded these honeypots, but the co-ops can hardly plead poverty. The Administration pushed out $354 million in 11th-hour cash infusions for six co-ops in late 2014 just before the budget authority lapsed. (Three have since entered the morgue.) And as recently as last week the feds disclosed that seven co-op remnants have been allowed to convert debts to the Treasury into phantom “capital assets” for solvency and accounting purposes, on no legal basis.

The real story is that state regulators are intervening to stop a failure contagion. In Tennessee, the Community Health Alliance Mutual Insurance Company requested a 32.6% rate increase for 2016, but the state mandated a 44.7% increase to prevent failure—and the co-op was still declared nonviable weeks later. The states know that their voters can’t draw on an ObamaCare line of credit and the longer the co-ops lose money, the deeper the guaranty holes will be. The greatest danger may be the 11 co-ops that remain in business, given that 10 have run deficits for as long as they’ve existed.

The co-ops are also exposing the larger ObamaCare problem. Contrary to popular belief, the exchanges aren’t profitable for insurers. The consultants at McKinsey inspected commercial insurer finances and concluded that the industry spent $2.5 billion in 2014 over revenue on net, even after government risk payments. Some 64% of health-care payers lost money, 23% posted earnings of $0 to $10 million, and 13% earned more than $10 million.

Unlike the co-ops, large diversified insurers can survive by selling employer-sponsored insurance and Medicaid managed care, while waiting for the exchanges to improve. But they can take writedowns only for so long. Mugging them coming and going—once by co-op pricing and again for the co-op failures via the guaranty associations—adds to the risk. Imagine if the rollout of the Medicare drug benefit under George W. Bush had been as chaotic as ObamaCare still is, three years later.


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I didn't say that the ACA was Free dude. It's a TRILLION dollar expense for the Federal Government you fucking FOOL. When a state has a disaster where do they go to get money? The Federal Government. You are getting as bad as LLIDIOT.
did Obama say that ACA would increase the already spiraling out of control Federal debt? he didn't mention a word of it. to Obama what's another few Trillion on top of the 18 Trillion? no biggie libtards, let's just keep printing fiat money for every socialist shit you libtards want! wonderful!

and Comrade Bernie would increase the debt ten fold and you know it. he "thinks" he can pay for all his libtard democratic socialist shit by taxing people with money. guess what happens then? go crawl back under your obammyrock libtard.

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Yeah, Kentuckians are so cock-a-hoop about Obamacare that they kicked out their Democrat Governor in November:


The GOP picked up the Kentucky governorship for only the second time in 44 years as businessman Matt Bevin hung President Obama’s signature domestic achievement around Bluegrass State Democrats... Mr. Bevin won 53%-44% and swept 107 of Kentucky’s 120 counties—including a few liberal strongholds.

The national press had made Kentucky a showcase of the Affordable Care Act, touting Democratic Governor Steve Beshear’s state-run exchange, KYnect, and his Medicaid expansion. The local results weren’t so cheery. Two-fifths of Kentucky hospitals have had to cut services due to soaring Medicaid costs. Thousands of residents lost the health-care plans they liked, and most insurers on Kynect are increasing premiums by double-digits. In terrible timing for Mr. Conway, the Kentucky Health Cooperative, the largest insurer on the ObamaCare exchange, imploded in October, leaving 51,000 residents without coverage.



http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-obam...oss-1446684213

lol, exactly right. Kentucky, where i was born, is a democratic haven. Bevin may have his own issues, but he crushed his democratic opponent on the FACTS of what Obama's policies and the socialist leaning of the Democrats all the way to the Governor's Mansion

now he lives here.



pretty swanky digs. Even the Donald would be impressed, well kinda. i think his private house is actually cooler than the White House. he can call it the Trump White House.

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I didn't say that the ACA was Free dude. It's a TRILLION dollar expense for the Federal Government you fucking FOOL.
Gee, but I kinda remember SOMEONE telling me it was free... or at least promising it wouldn't add "one dime to our deficit"...

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did Obama say that ACA would increase the already spiraling out of control Federal debt? he didn't mention a word of it.
Golly gee, then what exactly DID Odumbo tell us, Kid? Why don't we roll the videotape and find out:




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Gee, but I kinda remember SOMEONE telling me it was free... or at least promising it wouldn't add "one dime to our deficit"...



Golly gee, then what exactly DID Odumbo tell us, Kid? Why don't we roll the videotape and find out:




why that would make obumbo a LIAR! imagine that!

so flghtr65 are you lying or was Obammy? ahahahahaha.
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so .. flghtr65 .. you libtard socialist snake, you want to crawl back under your rock and stay there? we won't miss you, idiot.
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Fluffy has been suffering from acute Kool Aid poisoning for over 7 years now. He is not responsible for the idiotic statements he makes. Be kind to him. Telling the truth to him causes him to go into convulsions. Kind of like a liberal Tourette's syndrome.
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Fluffy has been suffering from acute Kool Aid poisoning for over 7 years now. He is not responsible for the idiotic statements he makes. Be kind to him. Telling the truth to him causes him to go into convulsions. Kind of like a liberal Tourette's syndrome.
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[QUOTE=CuteOldGuy;1057752636] He is not responsible for the idiotic statements he makes. /QUOTE]

Go fluff Ron Paul and then go fuck yourself you babbling IDIOT.
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Go fluff Ron Paul and then go fuck yourself you babbling IDIOT.
go crawl under a rock flghtr65, libtard. and stay there.
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go crawl under a rock flghtr65, libtard. and stay there.
Guess flghtr want's to " fluff " Shrillary !
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did Obama say that ACA would increase the already spiraling out of control Federal debt? he didn't mention a word of it. to Obama what's another few Trillion on top of the 18 Trillion? no biggie libtards, let's just keep printing fiat money for every socialist shit you libtards want! wonderful!
The Federal Budget deficit has decreased every year under Obama. In 2014 the deficit was the lowest it has been in 7 years. The ACA is not causing the deficit to increase.

http://useconomy.about.com/od/people...-President.htm

The deficits by year for Obama and Bush43.

Budget Deficits by Fiscal Year

President Barack Obama: Total Projected Plus Actual Deficits = $6.619 trillion.
  • FY 2017 - $463 billion projected.
  • FY 2016 - $474 billion projected.
  • FY 2015 - $583 billion projected.
  • FY 2014 - $485 billion.
  • FY 2013 - $680 billion.
  • FY 2012 - $1.087 trillion.
  • FY 2011 - $1.300 trillion.
  • FY 2010 - $1.547 ($1.294 trillion plus $253 billion from the Obama Stimulus Act that was attached to the FY 2009 budget).
President George W. Bush: Total = $3.294 trillion.
  • FY 2009 - $1.16 trillion. ($1.416 trillion minus $253 billion from Obama's Stimulus Act)
  • FY 2008 - $458 billion.
  • FY 2007 - $161 billion.
  • FY 2006 - $248 billion.
  • FY 2005 - $318 billion.
  • FY 2004 - $413 billion.
  • FY 2003 - $378 billion.
  • FY 2002 - $158 billion.
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