is Trump backing down with his tail between his legs..

[VitaMan]

Additional facts from a reliable source, contradicting the false statements made above:


HONG KONG — China on Thursday directly contradicted President Donald Trump’s claims that Beijing and Washington are actively discussing resolutions to a trade war.


A Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson responded that “China and the U.S. have not engaged in any consultations or negotiations regarding tariffs,”

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... That's the Wall Street Journal version.
Blimey, they're almost as bad as National Review...

Originally Posted by pxmcc

the W.S.J. skews right and the N.Y.T. skews left, but both ascribe to the highest journalistic standards. when either reports facts versus opinions, there is a strong (but potentially rebuttable) presumption that the facts are as alleged. to overcome such a presumption would require quite a bit of hard, external evidence from multiple reliable sources, not because "Trump said so"or "Fox News said so." both of those sources of information have been proven to be unreliable in courts of law where facts and evidence matters.

First, you're a good bloke Salty. I admire the way you keep your cool, and you're always courteous to other posters.

The WSJ and the NYT both have plenty of reporting out right now that would indicate the Trump administration wants to play ball more than the Chinese do. Both want the other side to take the first step, to try to de-escalate this mess.

Pxmcc, I agree with you about opinion pieces -- they skew left in the NYT and right in the WSJ. When it comes to news reporting, I believe the NYT skews to the left while the WSJ is smack dab in the middle. See their ratings for bias in Allsides, which actually has separate categories for opinion versus news reporting. These links are for news.

https://www.allsides.com/news-source...nal-media-bias

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/new-york-times

[Tiny]

Hot off the press, from today's Financial Times. Excerpts from

China tells US to ‘cancel all unilateral tariffs’ if it wants talks

China has told the US to “completely cancel all unilateral tariff measures” if Washington wants trade talks, in some of Beijing’s strongest comments on the deepening trade war between the world’s two economic superpowers.

Beijing also said there were “no economic and trade negotiations between China and the United States”, despite repeated comments from President Donald Trump that the two sides were talking.

....“If the US truly wants to solve the problem, it should . . . completely cancel all unilateral tariff measures against China and find a way to resolve differences through equal dialogue.”

Trump has wanted to negotiate a deal with President Xi Jinping, but China has insisted it will not capitulate to what it views as economic bullying.

Beijing has also stressed to the White House that the US must make the first move to de-escalate the crisis, which is threatening to spark a hard decoupling between the two countries’ economies.

....Asked about China describing his remarks about trade talks as “fake news”, Trump said: “They had a meeting this morning . . . It doesn’t matter who they is, we may reveal it later, but they had meetings this morning, and we’ve been meeting with China.”

He Yadong said “he who tied the bell [on the tiger] should be the one to untie it”, a reference to a Chinese proverb that means the person who creates a problem should be the one to solve it.

He said Beijing had maintained “an open attitude towards consultations and dialogue”, but “pressuring, threatening and extorting are not the correct ways to engage with China”.

“The trade war is one that the US has unilaterally instigated . . . if they want to negotiate, they must show sincerity and return to the correct path of equal dialogue and consultations,” He Yadong said....

https://www.ft.com/content/3e076fb5-...9-3fc637afebb8

[Yssup Rider]

winning???

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by Tiny

He said Beijing had maintained “an open attitude towards consultations and dialogue”, but “pressuring, threatening and extorting are not the correct ways to engage with China”.

“The trade war is one that the US has unilaterally instigated . . . if they want to negotiate, they must show sincerity and return to the correct path of equal dialogue and consultations,” He Yadong said....

https://www.ft.com/content/3e076fb5-...9-3fc637afebb8
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The Chinese appear to be successfully painting Trump as the bully he is.

It’s a sad day when the Chinese have the political room to claim the high ground.

[Salty Again]

Originally Posted by Lucas McCain

He provided a link from a credible source although I admit I only read the WSJ for the business and finance articles.

Where is your link to support your bullshit assertions? Ever heard the simple saying, "put up or shut up"?

... Ye Christ! ... Did you miss President Trump's
comments on the issue TODAY??!

... Because of yer whining and complainin' I asked one
o' me political "Insiders" to ask the President IF
He could address China and the phone calls.

Surely sez A LOT that some o' you liberal lads would
take China's off-view of things over the TRUTH. ...

... See? ... Salty KNOWS! ... ...

#### Salty

[Yssup Rider]

I saw him evading a question about China and giving a reporter shit about asking it before leaving the presser. And that was only by accident. Was there more? I thought he was too busy screaming at Fox for reporting his plummeting poll numbers.

Is that what YOU call winning, my sodium rich mate?

Of course it is!

Hahahahahahahahahshzhz

[Salty Again]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

The Chinese appear to be successfully painting Trump as the bully he is.

It’s a sad day when the Chinese have the political room to claim the high ground.

... Really?? ... So, YOU actually believe that the other
nations, Europe and what-not, would rather take the side
of CHINA over The US?? ...

And China doesn't have "High Ground"... Maybe they NEVER did.
China has 60% - maybe - of the economy The US has.

Ain't gonna be a "Global Economy", lads.
No matter how much yer liberal 'andlers push for one.

Which is WHY President Trump is NOT backing down.

#### Salty

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... Really?? ... So, YOU actually believe that the other
nations, Europe and what-not, would rather take the side
of CHINA over The US?? ...

And China doesn't have "High Ground"... Maybe they NEVER did.
China has 60% - maybe - of the economy The US has.

Ain't gonna be a "Global Economy", lads.
No matter how much yer liberal 'andlers push for one.

Which is WHY President Trump is NOT backing down.

#### Salty

Trump has made it perfectly clear that he thinks that Europe is screwing America. Why shouldn't they take the side of China instead of the US? Why shouldn't they think that Trump is bullying China the same way he is bullying them?

[Salty Again]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

Trump has made it perfectly clear that he thinks that Europe is screwing America. Why shouldn't they take the side of China instead of the US? Why shouldn't they think that Trump is bullying China the same way he is bullying them?

... WHY? ... Because Europe NEEDS The US to PROTECT them.

And how is Trump "bullying" by simply asking for
Fair Trade - and for America to no longer be ripped off??

Or do you fancy the idea of America being cheated?
The Democrat party surely seems to.
Maybe you and the Dems are on China's side...

#### Salty

[VitaMan]

It is Trump's bullying negotiating style that causes many problems.

Trump puts 145% tariffs on China and then says he is waiting for their call.Guess what....a call never came, despite fake reports to the contrary.

China advises Trump is producing his own fake news.

If Trump's track record of lies about facts and figures were no so long, maybe there would be more to discuss.

Shape up Mr Trump

[Salty Again]

Originally Posted by VitaMan

It is Trump's bullying negotiating style that causes many problems.

Trump puts 145% tariffs on China and then says he is waiting for their call.Guess what....a call never came, despite fake reports to the contrary.

China advises Trump is producing his own fake news.

If Trump's track record of lies about facts and figures were no so long, maybe there would be more to discuss.

Shape up Mr Trump

... The call(s) DID come, as I previously stated.
They have been talking for quite some time - and China
is simply gonna use the liberal lads here as dupes
to side-with them over Trump. ... As they surely
believe THAT will buy them favour in negotiations.

The situation is NOT complicated, mate.
No need for you and the other lads to make it so.
But, side-with China - if it makes you feel better.

#### Salty

[Yssup Rider]

If so, then why do we need you to tell us Salty? We should be able to read this glorious news everywhere!

Please provide a list of where these long lived talks are reported, along with China’s plan to subvert half the population of the US (the half that will-sureley be supporting China over the US).

I don’t know if you’re delusional or just trolling the board with BS, like so many others have done.

[69in2it69]

Someone probably believes Trump has a plan to grow coffee in Greenland. The ignorant bully picked on the wrong people this time.

[pxmcc]

libtards siding with China lol? hell, i'm a libtard and i think we should wipe China off the map before it's too late..

when you treat your allies like dirt, the obvious question comes to mind: who is a more reliable trading partner, Trump's USA, or China? unfortunately, as of now, the correct answer is China..

you don't crap on your friends if you want to maintain good relations. it's not rocket science. really..

Trump could have united the entire western world against China. instead, he somehow managed to unite the entire world against us. how in the hell..

if you're unhappy with U.S. manufacturing, fix that with incentives, like Biden did. starting trade wars does nothing to fix problems with American manufacturing and a lack of exports. i'm all for a goal of trade surpluses.

Texas has a net trade surplus. go Texas! Texas has no tariffs, btw. we did it the old fashioned way, by beating the competition..

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... The call(s) DID come, as I previously stated.
They have been talking for quite some time - and China
is simply gonna use the liberal lads here as dupes
to side-with them over Trump. ... As they surely
believe THAT will buy them favour in negotiations.

The situation is NOT complicated, mate.
No need for you and the other lads to make it so.
But, side-with China - if it makes you feel better.

#### Salty