CBS 11 investigative report on 3 days of P4P stings in Tarrant County

[LGBBQandT]

Originally Posted by cinderbella

It's stupid that we have not raised the minimum wage. It is cruelty, in my opinion.

I do think that pimping and pandering is related to poverty wages.
Among other things...

It's very kind of you to help those women through a difficult shift. You're correct, there is a direct correlation between poverty and sex trafficking. You don't have to think too hard to find it yourself. After all, the aamps and strip clubs aren't filled with women from Finland, Britain, or New Zealand.

Originally Posted by nookiebandit

poverty is not a direct cause imo. how those girls were brought up, their lack of education or encouragement to educate themselves and desire for quick emotional and material gratification (including from lack of good family upbringing) or addiction drives that.

You could not be more wrong. Poverty is a huge factor in pimping and sex trafficking. If a person had healthy food, clean water, and a good home, would they really give that up to be "managed" by some vampire and put themselves in danger?

Please see:

In their own words: How Texas pimps recruit and sell girls for sex


Quote from one of the pimps:

K.A.: If you meet a female, she don't got no family, she don't got nowhere to stay, but you got a little bit of money, you doing for her, you putting a roof over her head, feeding her ... she going to end up trusting you, depending on you.

There are countless articles.

The only reason I went to this length is because I want to dispell the notion that "crime" is about riches and wealth and notiriety and not directly a result of poverty. It's a story I hear over and over about welfare queens and people mooching off stamps yada yada. But that's not what's really happening and it obscures our view of the true issues we face as a society.

I'm sure some are attracted by fast money, nice house, a luxury car. But when the minimum wage is unlivable, and people are being evicted despite working 3 jobs, what are they supposed to do? how are they supposed to survive in the system?

[Phrodeus]

Originally Posted by Joddxxx

Ahab11 made a good point about the parking lots, “she blew up my phone with nonsense and eventually gave me the room # but I was 15 minutes down the road. That's why I have a short fuse for waiting in Hotel Parking Lots.” I don’t like to wait around in a parking lot at a hotel. I’m always observing my surroundings in the area. One time, I waited for Tara Reid at a hotel’s parking lot. She kept on apologizing every 5 minutes that she was still getting ready to see. I replied I was about to leave, then she gave me the room #.

One thing I do is I drive around my surrounding areas and wait in the parking lot to see what type of activities is going on for that day. It’s interesting what comes up when you see a particular provider or an event that’s taking place.

Tara Reid?

https://youtu.be/JLLCyrf8Ro4?si=IAgAfW-hZNg6emut&t=12

[Jack Burton]

Interesting optics in this reporting.
They were surprised how the men were arriving one after the other. Weren't the police scheduling them that way?

Of course the women accepted the assistance. They either needed it or hoped it would keep them from being arrested.

Too many other thoughts on how we are approaching this issue in the wrong way expending vast resources with minimal results. I gotta end my post now.

[TinMan]

Originally Posted by Jack Burton

Interesting optics in this reporting.
They were surprised how the men were arriving one after the other. Weren't the police scheduling them that way?

Of course the women accepted the assistance. They either needed it or hoped it would keep them from being arrested.

Too many other thoughts on how we are approaching this issue in the wrong way expending vast resources with minimal results. I gotta end my post now.

The fast arrival was surprising to me as well. I’m guessing that they do try to space these out, but if guys are arriving early they want to get them out of their cars quickly to reduce the risk they see the transports outside the hotel. The fact that guys were so close by when they confirmed the date indicates how many of these men are making spur-of-the-moment decisions (a true impulse buy). I don’t think that’s the way most guys who post on this site operate, so that concept of just going open-throttle into a session is a bit foreign to guys who are a bit more careful in their approach.

Your closing paragraph made me lol, as I too had a lot of thoughts going through my head as I watched this piece. It was one of the most thought-provoking news reports on the subject I’ve seen.

[James469]

I wonder how they got over 20 guys t show up in one day. I wonder where the Ads were posted. Thats insane the were able to get guys lined up one after another.

[TinMan]

I think we have laid out in this thread how different a lot of the guys who partake are from those of us who are active on this board. They are so desperate for sex they don’t take any precautions. The hard part for LE is stage managing it in such a way that they don’t give away the game until it is too late.

[LustyBustyGina38FF]

Originally Posted by James469

I wonder how they got over 20 guys t show up in one day. I wonder where the Ads were posted. Thats insane the were able to get guys lined up one after another.

SLG LC RR and a few more of the same kind of sites..

[HndsmGntlmn]

Not responding directly to everyone, but just challenging the thinking on some of the responses to the articles.

1) If poverty were the cause of the "crimes" that are being caught on camera, and the poor innocent women that exploit the desire of men, and of course the pimps who recognize and monetize that desire, then everyone who makes poverty level wages or has no skill would be caught up in this business.

According to the Census Bureau that would be 4 Million people. And half of that (The women) would be 2 Million Hookers on the street.

So I appreciate the need to white knite for people who make poor decisions, I make poor decisions and i need someone to help me too, I hate the justifications that if only I had someone else's money all MY problems would go away. No, With a lot of money I would make a lot more bad choices, until I learn to make good choices that is.

2) Why is it considered a crime for a sentient being to consensually agree to exchange a service for money? Or even let a third party contractor help them set up appointments and such?
Barring the age of the participants seems like it should be completely legal.
Now I know this is the real world, and I can't be so niave and all that, but still, I find that concept frustraiting.

[alanbourdilliontreherne]

Originally Posted by TalliaThomas

Always always always


Circle the parking lot. If you see a heavy police presence there--- it "could" be nothing-- but I'd be extra careful about it.

Yep. I once pulled into a motel parking lot and there were 3-4 guys in the lot standing at the back of a truck having some intense discussion. I decided to circle around once and when I went by again there were in a full blown brawl, fists swinging. I didn't want to wait around till guns came out and left immediately. Called the lady as I got back on the road and told her the particulars and she said she heard the disturbance and was actually very understanding that I had left. If ANYTHING feels wonky then leave immediately. The lady might be PO'd but you can make it up to her.
ABD

[ERWhyNot]

They said that when they catch a provider that they don’t always arrest them and try to get them help to get out of the hobby. How many do you think they “flip” into helping LE try and bust “John’s”? This is always one of my fears when you see a provider that’s been around for a long time suddenly disappear only to come back months later.

[TinMan]

Originally Posted by ERWhyNot

They said that when they catch a provider that they don’t always arrest them and try to get them help to get out of the hobby. How many do you think they “flip” into helping LE try and bust “John’s”? This is always one of my fears when you see a provider that’s been around for a long time suddenly disappear only to come back months later.

I have seen reported on the hobby boards that if a woman caught in a sting allows access to her accounts the cops will take the opportunity to use it to catch some customers calling in. It’s low hanging fruit, so why not.

Their real target, though, are the pimps. They aren’t going to spend time going through the lady’s contact list trying to track down johns and search for a way to build a low-grade felony case against them when they can get a real bad guy off the street (and publicize the bust of a “human trafficker”).

[GayleMeyers]

Originally Posted by TinMan

You probably noticed that the guy doesn’t go into the room before he is busted. None of this female decoy BS of old. They probably had everything they needed from the phone calls or texts, and they have video of the guys knocking on the doors (so easy to hide cameras these days, as the video demonstrates).

Even though they likely have enough to bust you, you are correct: the more you say when they sit you down for the interview the more likely it is you give them even more.

Something I was surprised to learn, from the reporter at the end of video: how quickly these guys show up after they make the phone call to set up the date. Earlier in the piece, from one of the cops: They are almost on top of each other…one john is pulling in to the hotel parking lot, one is in the room, and the other is getting pushed into the transport on the other side of the hotel. Maybe there is value in driving around the hotel before you go in.

Even after all my screening, I scan the parking lot before entering the building ...

[GayleMeyers]

Originally Posted by TinMan

The fast arrival was surprising to me as well. I’m guessing that they do try to space these out, but if guys are arriving early they want to get them out of their cars quickly to reduce the risk they see the transports outside the hotel. The fact that guys were so close by when they confirmed the date indicates how many of these men are making spur-of-the-moment decisions (a true impulse buy). I don’t think that’s the way most guys who post on this site operate, so that concept of just going open-throttle into a session is a bit foreign to guys who are a bit more careful in their approach.

Your closing paragraph made me lol, as I too had a lot of thoughts going through my head as I watched this piece. It was one of the most thought-provoking news reports on the subject I’ve seen.

Mmmmm ... I think you would be shocked at how many guys throw caution to the wind and think they can just "stop by" ... cannot tell you how many texts I get from guys saying they are "driving through town" and expect "right now" as an appointment arrangement.