Here's Is A Great Target For The Next MOAB

[WTF]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

No, the left (you know Hitler was a socialistNazism, confused as it was, was based on race) is much more Nazi like than anything the right has done or promised.

Hitler was an old white man that hated Jews....much like this countries old white men hate blacks and now Mexicans.

Trump thinks he can unite the right and left, much like Hitler thought. It wasn't working so well, so it is going to the tried and true, War. Bombs always unite the weak and scared masses. As Herman Goering explained:


"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY." --Goering at the Nuremberg Trials



https://www.thoughtco.com/was-adolf-...ialist-1221367

The Myth: Adolf Hitler, starter of World War 2 in Europe and driving force behind the Holocaust, was a socialist.
The Truth: Hitler hated socialism and communism and worked to destroy these ideologies. Nazism, confused as it was, was based on race, and fundamentally different from class focused socialism.....


.....The key element here is what Hitler did, believed and tried to create. Nazism, confused as it was, was fundamentallyan ideology built around race, while socialism was entirely different: built around class. Hitler aimed to unite the right and left, including workers and their bosses, into a new German nation based on the racial identity of those in it.



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[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by WTF

https://www.thoughtco.com/was-adolf-...ialist-1221367

The Myth: Adolf Hitler, starter of World War 2 in Europe and driving force behind the Holocaust, was a socialist.
The Truth: Hitler hated socialism and communism and worked to destroy these ideologies. Nazism, confused as it was, was based on race, and fundamentally different from class focused socialism.....


.....The key element here is what Hitler did, believed and tried to create. Nazism, confused as it was, was fundamentallyan ideology built around race, while socialism was entirely different: built around class. Hitler aimed to unite the right and left, including workers and their bosses, into a new German nation based on the racial identity of those in it.
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Yet, the system he created was still socialist with capitalism mixed in to create a fascist system despite the fact he hated socialism & communism. I wouldn't call that a myth.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

Yet, the system he created was still socialist with capitalism mixed in to create a fascist system despite the fact he hated socialism & communism. I wouldn't call that a myth.

All forms of government have a socialistic slant. They're called taxes. So no Hitler was not a socialist.

Next the Mexicans and Blacks are to Trump , what the Jews were to Hitler.


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[Unique_Carpenter]

Back to great targets:

The Russian small frigate Admiral Grigorovich is only 4000 tons and about 400 feet long.

This is half the weight, and a hundred feet smaller than the Arleigh Burke destroyers that the US puts in the field.

And the Admiral Grigowish (wishes it was not a bathtub toy) is slower and has only two turbines
(with parts access questionable as the turbines were originally built in the Ukraine, and we know what the Ukraine thinks of Russia nowadays)
vs. 4 very nice General Electric built turbines for the US DDG's.

Financial disclaimer: I have GE stock.

The concept of sacrificial lamb doesn't actually come to mind, as it would be more of a light bump from running over a curb.

Yes intentional to get some on duty Navy pukes to smile, courtesy of a skirmisher.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by WTF

Hitler was an old white man that hated Jews....much like this countries old white men hate blacks and now Mexicans.

Trump thinks he can unite the right and left, much like Hitler thought. It wasn't working so well, so it is going to the tried and true, War. Bombs always unite the weak and scared masses. As Herman Goering explained:


"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY." --Goering at the Nuremberg Trials



https://www.thoughtco.com/was-adolf-...ialist-1221367

The Myth: Adolf Hitler, starter of World War 2 in Europe and driving force behind the Holocaust, was a socialist.
The Truth: Hitler hated socialism and communism and worked to destroy these ideologies. Nazism, confused as it was, was based on race, and fundamentally different from class focused socialism.....


.....The key element here is what Hitler did, believed and tried to create. Nazism, confused as it was, was fundamentallyan ideology built around race, while socialism was entirely different: built around class. Hitler aimed to unite the right and left, including workers and their bosses, into a new German nation based on the racial identity of those in it.



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Hitler wasn't that "old". He was only 43 when he was elected to be Chancellor of Germany and only 56 when he shot himself. Furthermore, Hitler studied Marx and created his unique brand of socialism. Hitler stated that "I have learnt a great deal from Marxism, as I do not hesitate to admit." Hitler once told Hermann Rauschning that his differences with the communist were less ideological than they were tactical. Hiter explained that "German Communists he had known before taking power thought politics meant talking and writing. They were mere pamphleteers, whereas 'I have put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun, adding revealingly that ‘the whole of National Socialism was based’ on Marx. Without race, he goes on, National Socialism ‘would really do nothing more than compete with Marxism on its own ground’” (p. 72, Lost Literature of Socialism by George Watson). However, one need only read Freidrich Engels The Magyar Struggle that Marx then published to see that the Nazis had no monopoly on racism or advocating for genocide.

Nazism was predicated on the Marxist precept that the state would ‘wither away’ and that the society would become homogenized. Nazism shared the Marxist precept that a dictatorship was necessary to achieve that goal. Plus Hitler modified Marx's tenets when he insisted that it was people, and not the means of production, that needed to be nationalized (pp. 61-64, Germany, Hitler, and World War II: Essays in Modern German and World History by Gerhard L. Weinberg). Hitler also saw a weakness in Marx's doctrine of class struggle; so, Hitler sought to unify Germans rather than divide them along class lines to achieve his version of a "stateless" society.

"Nothing better revealed the National Socialist’ success in linking themselves with the with the idea Volksgemeinschaft and distancing themselves from reactionary forces than their efforts to attract German workers. From the very beginning the inclusion of the word ‘workers’ in the party name set the National Socialist German Worker’s Party apart and gave it cachet among young Germans for whom the icons of worker and soldier symbolized the wartime contributions of ordinary Germans. ‘National Socialism’ conjured up the collaborative effort of [the German nation] at war” (p. 201, Germans into Nazis by Peter Fritzsche).

Many Germans – Nazis -- who were anti-French, anti-American, anti-Parliamentarian and opposed racial equality for the Jews self identified as being on the left rather than on the right. “The symbolic and historical identification of human rights, parliamentary government, French and American ideas and equality for Jews was maintained by opponents of them all in both Germanys of the 1970s in the 1980s and the unified country now as it was in Germany of the 1920s. Only the self-perception of those opponents has been altered: they see themselves now in many, though by no means all, instances as being on the left rather than the right of the political spectrum” (pp. 60-61, Germany, Hitler, and World War II).

“‘Laborers, members of the radical left, come in especially large numbers at the end of the talk there is never the slightest opposition in the hall, communists, et cetera, applaud enthusiastically,’ [Rudolph Hess]” (p. 26, Germany, Hitler, and World War II).

[DSK]

Originally Posted by WTF

Hopefully an illegal asian girl you hire to " make love " to you will cut off your cheap jewish dick...or is that repetitive!?

Once again you resort to religious and racial insults in violation of the TOS. I hope someone gets you banned.

P.S. You are a gay person.

[DSK]

Originally Posted by WTF

All forms of government have a socialistic slant. They're called taxes. So no Hitler was not a socialist.

Next the Mexicans and Blacks are to Trump , what the Jews were to Hitler.


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You lie!

[Prolongus]

I wonder how many of those people and soldiers in that North Korean plaza wished they didn't have to be there and knew if they weren't, they and their families would be persecuted, jailed, or worse.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by DSK

Once again you resort to religious and racial insults in violation of the TOS. I hope someone gets you banned.

P.S. You are a gay person.

Better gay than a homosexual, racist , self proclaimed Jew. Although I highly doubt any self respecting Jew would claim you as part of the tribe!


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[WTF]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Hitler wasn't that "old". He was only 43 when he was elected to be Chancellor of Germany and only 56 when he shot himself. Furthermore, Hitler studied Marx and created his unique brand of socialism. Hitler stated that "I have learnt a great deal from Marxism, as I do not hesitate to admit." Hitler once told Hermann Rauschning that his differences with the communist were less ideological than they were tactical. Hiter explained that "German Communists he had known before taking power thought politics meant talking and writing. They were mere pamphleteers, whereas 'I have put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun, adding revealingly that ‘the whole of National Socialism was based’ on Marx. Without race, he goes on, National Socialism ‘would really do nothing more than compete with Marxism on its own ground’” (p. 72, Lost Literature of Socialism by George Watson). However, one need only read Freidrich Engels The Magyar Struggle that Marx then published to see that the Nazis had no monopoly on racism or advocating for genocide.

Nazism was predicated on the Marxist precept that the state would ‘wither away’ and that the society would become homogenized. Nazism shared the Marxist precept that a dictatorship was necessary to achieve that goal. Plus Hitler modified Marx's tenets when he insisted that it was people, and not the means of production, that needed to be nationalized (pp. 61-64, Germany, Hitler, and World War II: Essays in Modern German and World History by Gerhard L. Weinberg). Hitler also saw a weakness in Marx's doctrine of class struggle; so, Hitler sought to unify Germans rather than divide them along class lines to achieve his version of a "stateless" society.

"Nothing better revealed the National Socialist’ success in linking themselves with the with the idea Volksgemeinschaft and distancing themselves from reactionary forces than their efforts to attract German workers. From the very beginning the inclusion of the word ‘workers’ in the party name set the National Socialist German Worker’s Party apart and gave it cachet among young Germans for whom the icons of worker and soldier symbolized the wartime contributions of ordinary Germans. ‘National Socialism’ conjured up the collaborative effort of [the German nation] at war” (p. 201, Germans into Nazis by Peter Fritzsche).

Many Germans – Nazis -- who were anti-French, anti-American, anti-Parliamentarian and opposed racial equality for the Jews self identified as being on the left rather than on the right. “The symbolic and historical identification of human rights, parliamentary government, French and American ideas and equality for Jews was maintained by opponents of them all in both Germanys of the 1970s in the 1980s and the unified country now as it was in Germany of the 1920s. Only the self-perception of those opponents has been altered: they see themselves now in many, though by no means all, instances as being on the left rather than the right of the political spectrum” (pp. 60-61, Germany, Hitler, and World War II).

“‘Laborers, members of the radical left, come in especially large numbers at the end of the talk there is never the slightest opposition in the hall, communists, et cetera, applaud enthusiastically,’ [Rudolph Hess]” (p. 26, Germany, Hitler, and World War II).

I wonder where Hitler would score on the political Spectrum test...hmmmmm.


https://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2


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[Old-T]

It does not really matter. There is very little difference beteen a LW despot and a RW despot. Only the surface traits, flag colors, and slogans change. Go far enough East or West and you get to the same place.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by WTF

I wonder where Hitler would score on the political Spectrum test...hmmmmm.


https://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2

Using what I've read about Hitler as a guide, I answered the questions in a manner that I believed reflected his actions ... if not actual beliefs. Some difficulty is posed by questions about environmental concerns that wouldn't have been relevant in Hitler's era: best guesstimation. My effort is illustrated in the chart below on the right.

Meanwhile, once I had finished the questions, the site offered their analysis as to where Hitler might fall in the chart below on the left. My effort and their analysis are quite similar.

At the bottom is a Nolan Chart illustrating where they believe Hitler should be and where I B Hankering falls according to their evaluation. Please note that the charts on the top and the one on the bottom are different. One places totalitarianism at the top, and the other places it at the bottom.

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by WTF

I wonder where Hitler would score on the political Spectrum test...hmmmmm.


https://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2


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I don't think this test is all that accurate given the nature of the questions asked.

I took it. I'm a borderline center-right authoritarian/libertarian.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

I don't think this test is all that accurate given the nature of the questions asked.

I took it. I'm a borderline center-right authoritarian/libertarian.

Sounds about right!


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[WTF]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Using what I've read about Hitler as a guide, I answered the questions in a manner that I believed reflected his actions ... if not actual beliefs. Some difficulty is posed by questions about environmental concerns that wouldn't have been relevant in Hitler's era: best guesstimation. My effort is illustrated in the chart below on the right.

Meanwhile, once I had finished the questions, the site offered their analysis as to where Hitler might fall in the chart below on the left. My effort and their analysis are quite similar.

At the bottom is a Nolan Chart illustrating where they believe Hitler should be and where I B Hankering falls according to their evaluation. Please note that the charts on the top and the one on the bottom are different. One places totalitarianism at the top, and the other places it at the bottom.

Suffice to say , Hitler was not a modern day progressive liberal as JD tried to equate!

Hitler was a racial Fascist.

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