Reasons you ended a session without paying?

[Miss Valentina]

Originally Posted by deerwhisperer

My point was if you book and the provider is there, ready to serve and you back out, you should pay up. SL said he took pictures of her...noticed blood then canceled the session, he should of at least paid for the pictures.

Of course I am not talking about bait/switch/fraud on the providers part, I'm referring to clients backing out after booking. If its the lady in the picture and you both agreed on a session, you should pay because she could of sold that time to someone else.

Junkweed, I ask for 12 hours cancel notice.

But you do understand we ARE in fact talking about bait/switch/fraud right???

So essentially you are changing the scenario into one that suits your argument, then chiding the gentlemen for failure to complete the transaction. That"s a good example of Hooker Intellectual Bait and Switch right there haha!

And I'm not certain that I would agree I'm owed for my time even if there wasn't a bait and switch, even if I've represented myself perfectly, been on time and the meeting started without a hitch. Should he walk in, not feel an natural affinity for me, not like my environment, gets an odd feeling, or doesn't the way I'm dressed, or any many other things that might not want to deal with, he has the right to leave and I don't feel entitled to an explanation or money for my time.

For example: In my real world I have a legit business which provides several services. I often see clients who have met me at business functions, through word of mouth, or have come across my website. I will meet these people for coffee, lunch or dinner at my expense and in every case they are at least somewhat familiar with my work and my experience, as I have provided them that information prior. They may meet me, like my work, have money allotted for my service and for whatever reason, just not bite. It's about a 30% attrition rate.

Do I chase them down the street yelling, "you owe me for my time AND that steak motherfucker!!!" No, even if that meeting time took away from work I could be doing for another client, because there is a certain cost to being an entrepreneur and certain costs one needs to be prepared to absorb. Why hookers don't understand this is a business whether they want to see it that way or not is beyond me. And the attrition rate for this one is waaay less than 30%. For me in this line of work it's 0%. If it so happens that a guy has gone through the trouble of booking and showing up on time and simply has hesitations about going through with the appointment, dust it off and let it go. It's not a big deal. There's usually another hard dick throbbing in the wings.

[Toyz]

Originally Posted by Miss Valentina

But you do understand we ARE in fact talking about bait/switch/fraud right???

So essentially you are changing the scenario into one that suits your argument, then chiding the gentlemen for failure to complete the transaction. That"s a good example of Hooker Intellectual Bait and Switch right there haha!

And I'm not certain that I would agree I'm owed for my time even if there wasn't a bait and switch, even if I've represented myself perfectly, been on time and the meeting started without a hitch. Should he walk in, not feel an natural affinity for me, not like my environment, gets an odd feeling, or doesn't the way I'm dressed, or any many other things that might not want to deal with, he has the right to leave and I don't feel entitled to an explanation or money for my time.

For example: In my real world I have a legit business which provides several services. I often see clients who have met me at business functions, through word of mouth, or have come across my website. I will meet these people for coffee, lunch or dinner at my expense and in every case they are at least somewhat familiar with my work and my experience, as I have provided them that information prior. They may meet me, like my work, have money allotted for my service and for whatever reason, just not bite. It's about a 30% attrition rate.

Do I chase them down the street yelling, "you owe me for my time AND that steak motherfucker!!!" No, even if that meeting time took away from work I could be doing for another client, because there is a certain cost to being an entrepreneur and certain costs one needs to be prepared to absorb. Why hookers don't understand this is a business whether they want to see it that way or not is beyond me. And the attrition rate for this one is waaay less than 30%. For me in this line of work it's 0%. If it so happens that a guy has gone through the trouble of booking and showing up on time and simply has hesitations about going through with the appointment, dust it off and let it go. It's not a big deal. There's usually another hard dick throbbing in the wings.

I think it's often very simple V. Hoogar have the money already spent (in their minds) when they BOOK the appointment.

Then if anything goes awry, even if their fault, they get mad because they arent getting that money (their money) and it pisses them off.

[FBSMLUVR]

Miss V, so well put. Thank you for enlightening us, I couldn't have said it better myself. +1000!

[Miss Valentina]

But I am so very curious gentlemen, with no disrespect and no judgement...I do want to know why you continue to put up with these sorts of poor behaviors.

Without the cliched response "Sometimes the little head rules the big head." preferably. This always goes much deeper than that.

This happens over and over and often you guys know there are issues before you even contact them. Are you hoping that this time it won't happen to you?

Do you gentlemen really believe this is just part of the game and this is the best you deserve? That these women who continually disrespect you and your time are worth your money and an attempted second appointment? That youth/cuteness/desirability is somehow more valuable or trumps your own innate self-respect and masculine character? Is there some fun to being dishonored and disrespected that I'm not cluing into here?

Because I'm going to tell you good chaps, most of you deserve so much more. Many many good things that have happened in my life have happened simply because a man wanted to see me do well. That certainly doesn't mean I suffer fools. I am very harsh to those for who it is clear they have no regard for their own respect and have abandoned their masculine virtues, but even those guys don't deserve to get jerked around, stood up, lied to, robbed, drugged or any of the other bullshit insanity that happens here.

Please guys, don't put up with this stuff, don't debase yourself when there are so many who will honor you. I'm not even saying this as a plug for myself. There is no reason to be co-opted into this hivemind that tells you you're this crap is part of the deal or somehow this is what you have to put up with to get it off with a pretty girl. Soul Anorexia and disrespect only happens because you allow it.

[Miss Valentina]

Originally Posted by Toyz

I think it's often very simple V. Hoogar have the money already spent (in their minds) when they BOOK the appointment.

Then if anything goes awry, even if their fault, they get mad because they arent getting that money (their money) and it pisses them off.

That is unfortunately true. A lot of people exercise poor judgement when it come to money, saving for the future, and managing their income. Sometimes it is spent in their minds out of necessity and it must be awful not to have that managing skill set or have to live blow job to blowjob.

Regardless, that's still not the gentleman's obligation or problem. And just because most providers say it is so doesn't mean it is true. There are a lot of very entitled people here. But this is still a business and a good business woman will understand these fundamental principles.

*thanks for the compliment FBSMLUVR!

[Toyz]

I will offer a simple piece in answer (not the total answer but a part of it).

Lots of guys think "well she fucked YOU over but i'm special and she won't fuck me over".

We see it time and again "I should have listened to everyone".

[Miss Valentina]

Originally Posted by Toyz

I will offer a simple piece in answer (not the total answer but a part of it).

Lots of guys think "well she fucked YOU over but i'm special and she won't fuck me over".

We see it time and again "I should have listened to everyone".

I get where you're coming from, I really do and certainly that is the case some of the time. But I'm not always convinced it's an overblown hubristic ego. Sometimes I think it's because men don't know deep down that they deserve better. I think they've become accustomed and apathetic to mediocrity within themselves and therefore as a consequence, they are apathetic to others even if it would affect their money, safety or other big things. Because if that little flunkee provider is sheathed in a pretty face and young body it somehow will satisfy that damaged ego in the man. But it will only last a short time, it is a farce and they both know it while they're going through the motions if one doesn't stand the other up in the meantime haha! Then it's on to the next and on to the next... one unconnected, disrespected antiseptic orgasm after another.

Which is fine, if thats all you want, or the man thinks he is good for or all he's himself able to provide. Get my drift??

Sigh.

[FBSMLUVR]

You're very welcome Miss V!

[Kaylee Blue]

I agree with Nikki. There have been few appointments that I needed to cancel upon arrival because the gents hygiene just wasn't up to par.

[Still Looking]

Originally Posted by Still Looking

The whole story... the provider was to drive herself. Instead she came with TWO other providers and a PIMP that parked down the street. She walked up 40 minutes late. Started the photo shoot right away and noticed the scab / sore. Took a close up with my camera and showed it to her. In my mind "SHE" can't complete the session as "AGREED". We "both" agreed we would meet next time she was in town. Nothing was said about money. Off she went 18 minutes into the session.

It seems you put a value on a ladies time. Understood. What about a hobbyists time? What do I get for waiting 40 minutes past the scheduled time? I could have texted her at session time and told her let's reschedule and next time maybe you can be on time. But I just nicely waited.

Now I could have scheduled with another provider that didn't have her kitty bit up who could have been on time. What do I get for my troubles?

It just simply amazes me that ladies think their time has a value and the guys do not.

Moves us into today (Full Time Man Whore) I schedule a session via P411, PM & Text THREE WEEKS AGO! The meeting was today at 3:30 pm. At 12:49 pm I get told the hotel name and address. At 2:26 pm I get a text saying she is two hours away. Wants to reschedule till tomorrow. I'm already in route 15 minutes. I pull over to text her WTF? She replies at 3:28 (TWO MINUTES BEFORE OUR SESSION) can I make it tomorrow at 9 am.? I reply I'm at the hotel? I'll just wait an hour for you to get here. 3:37 she replies I still have things to do and I haven't left. Lets make it tomorrow at 9 am. Please confirm? I reply OK no problem.

So lets see, shower, gas, drive 45 minutes, combed Troll dolls hair....lucky I didn't take a VIAGRA.... so what do I get for my WASTED TIME and expences???

Well Starrluvsyou decided that even thou she couldn't make her 3:30 pm appointment time booked via P411 & PM & Text she would reschedule till today at 11:00 am. Silly me she never confirmed so as it turned out I had no session booked. Confusing... don't you think? She gave me the time but SHE didn't confirm? But really rather than write a NSNC review I thinck Starrluvsyou deserves her own TCB thread.

Deerwhisperer I hope you'll share your thoughts in that thread as well.

Starrluvsyou Show Case:

http://www.eccie.net/providers.php?do=view&id=198272

Previously: Lauren Love & Daisy of Nirvana


THE FACTS:
Booked session for 3-23-15 3"30 pm via P411 on 3-12-15
SL shows up to schedule appointment
Starr texted asking to reschedule for 9 or 11 am.
SL selects 11 am.
Starr says she'll confirm
SL shows up at 10:45 am.
Starr finally responds to (3) text messages & (1) voice message saying she never confirmed?
I say OK... just where and when can I meet you?
Her response is she would prefer we not meet as we would not be a good fit based on the voice message I left.

Deerwhisper what would you have done??? After missing one session book another and then NSNC the second one? That's not how you do business is it? Then once you have screwed up bad enough just tell the guy screw it, best we don't meet. Where is the "MAKE IT UP TO PaRT OF THIS PLAN"?

[FBSMLUVR]

^^^^^^ Yea, what SL said. Love to hear the answer to that question DeerWhisper ^^^^^^

[Guest062321]

I don't care to get involved too much but I will say this, every story has two sides and I'm not a jar of peanut butter, I can't make everyone happy

[NikkiWhite]

Originally Posted by Starrluvsyou

I don't care to get involved too much but I will say this, every story has two sides and I'm not a jar of peanut butter, I can't make everyone happy

Wrong thread the other ones about you.

[deerwhisperer]

i'd say she owes you two free sessions for missing the first one...and second one.

[deerwhisperer]

actually 3 sessions, the first two you showed for and she didn't, and a third just to make up for those two. she owes you 3 sessions.

At least that is what I have done when I accidentally double booked before, make up the missed time, then add time.