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Iron Butterfly · 10-01-2013, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Whispers

One of the ladies PMd me and asked why it had not been raised. So I raised it.

the allegations were

1) Booked 30s and overstayed welcome
2) Paid less than rack rate
3) Pushed for discounts and additional time
4) wrote reviews that did not accurately reflect time, activities or what was paid.

It seems to fit in there and you seemed to want more direct questions....

Give it a rest, no one cares what Trees did or did not do, so lets just talk about how much you can get a lady to do for as little cash with all your wisdom and experience, teach this board how to scam the ladies and get this grandfather rates and cheep them out of the full rates, right? Share your info and tricks! Isn't that what the board is about?

IB

19Trees · 10-01-2013, 04:05 PM

1) Booked 30s and overstayed welcome (Trees overstayed allotted time, 5x for details of each see Post 307)
2) Paid less than rack rate (99% there was agreement in advance; once (with Alden Sky) there wasn't)), See, http://eccie.net/showthread.php?t=809516
3) Pushed for discounts and additional time (Review discounts ranged from 10-50, in each case was up to provider to set her review rate; average was 20 or 25 off).
4) wrote reviews that did not accurately reflect time, activities or what was paid. (Trees reviews straight up, but will always consider provider's special requests provided they do not contain lies or deceptions am OK with provider's special requests)

Whimpers Radio keeps replaying same old songs and Community is tiring of it.

19Trees

Old Dingus · 10-01-2013, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Iron Butterfly

Give it a rest, no one cares what Trees did or did not do, so lets just talk about how much you can get a lady to do for as little cash with all your wisdom and experience, teach this board how to scam the ladies and get this grandfather rates and cheep them out of the full rates, right? Share your info and tricks! Isn't that what the board is about?
IB

So your buddy fucked the Providers over while holding the authority of a Mod and the best you got is "give it a rest, no one cares what Trees did...."

Are you being paid off to be Trees' flunkie, is it blind devotion, or total stupidity?

Seems like you are pretty much recognizing wrongs were done and now it is "so what?"

It appears Whispers is simply setting the stage to let the truth flow out. When flunkie minions respond with "no one cares what Trees did" it sounds like recognition to me.

KICK ASS, WHISPERS and THANKS FROM THE RANK AND FILE!

Old Dingus

Whispers · 10-01-2013, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Iron Butterfly

Give it a rest, no one cares what Trees did or did not do, so lets just talk about how much you can get a lady to do for as little cash with all your wisdom and experience, teach this board how to scam the ladies and get this grandfather rates and cheep them out of the full rates, right? Share your info and tricks! Isn't that what the board is about?

It is about a variety of things that are informative.

I don't believe you need to "scam the ladies". I seldom see any one lady long enough to need a Grandfathered rate and I personally do not haggle prices. When quoted an amount I accept or decline. In declining I occasionally make it known to the lady what my budget is should she ever be running a special.

Do I know how and where to find cheap pussy? you betcha! That is not what this thread is about though.

Maybe I'll start a refresher class.

19Trees · 10-01-2013, 04:18 PM

Whimpers, No such things as "cheap pussy" ... uh, not the good stuff. The live in experiment ended up being way over retail by far. Marry a stripper and use her to recruit SB's? How does it work? Now that would benefit (?) this Community.

Dingus, I enjoyed this http://eccie.net/showthread.php?t=768950&highlight= where you offered to pay providers 25% over their "rack" rates. Sweet. How did that work out for you? Did not see any reviews? You plan on writing some? One? Did your overpayments (if any) make you feel better?

And Dingus, do you really think that a hobbyist-mod/mod-hobbyist can say "you better give it up for $5 or I will point you" ... Really? How might it actually go down, an "abuse of power" ... You grossly overestimate the power and authority of moderators who approve reviews and give out points for violating posting rules. There is no real power and yours and other posters who have suggested to the contrary rely on assumptions that are false. Mods lie at bottom of the food chain Dingus. Trees has the knowledge and experience to confirm same.

Trees got more action before becoming mod. And since.

19Trees

Whispers · 10-01-2013, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 19Trees

Whimpers Radio keeps replaying same old songs and Community is tiring of it.

Are they? 2000 views in the last 2 days with 6 and a half hours left in today?

yesterday was a slow day but the thread was locked previously and we lost a few.....

Maybe I will put it out of it's misery when it's down to 500 views or less... That's still better than 90% of the threads Austin sees though

Whispers · 10-01-2013, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Old Dingus

It appears Whispers is simply setting the stage to let the truth flow out. When flunkie minions respond with "no one cares what Trees did" it sounds like recognition to me.

Now there is a voice from the past!

Whispers · 10-01-2013, 04:27 PM

Thank-yous will be in order at some time....

DD certainly stepped up as did Vicky-Lynn. Still Lookin drove some nails into the coffin.....

But none of this would have been made possible without the actions of 19Trees....

We truly owe him and his team of doubting Thomas'es that stirred the flames here and drove this little lit match into an inferno of sorts.....

Oh... Wait... It's a little too early for the Good-Bye and Thank-you speech.....

I believe we have one remaining Special Guest Appearance to be made that will enlighten us a little more.....

Old Dingus · 10-01-2013, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by 19Trees

And Dingus, do you really think that a hobbyist-mod/mod-hobbyist can say "you better give it up for $5 or I will point you" ...No, not like that.

Really? How might it actually go down, an "abuse of power" ... It could go down just the way you did it:

1. You push the provider to "agree" to take less than their published and expected rates.

2. Or you book a short time period and simply do not leave, forcing the provider to "agree" to extend the session beyond the agreed time limit and amount paid.

3. Or you insist on paying only the grandfathered rate, even though you are a first timer.

4. Or maybe you insist on special services that are not on the menu for anyone else.

You grossly overestimate the power and authority of moderators who approve reviews and give out points for violating posting rules.

No. actually I do not overestimate anything. Many Providers and virtually all new Providers are in a very weak position to know and understand all the site rules, regs for advertising, and all the other details that can get them in trouble. Their focus is avoid arrest, do business, and make money to pay bills.
To many Providers, Mods and Admins have great and undefined power to regulate them in unknown ways, affect their ads, and maybe worse. The Providers feel Mods are the "Power Brokers" who should not be crossed at any price. Being taken advantage of by Mods is a price many are willing to pay to exist. [fortunately most Mods are not like you.]

There is no real power and yours and other posters who have suggested to the contrary rely on assumptions that are false.

No. There is not supposed to be this type of power, but someone like you may take it until you are caught. Some Providers have to service their pimp when ever and how ever he demands. Refusal means a beating or worse.

Mods lie at bottom of the food chain Dingus.

No. To many Providers, Mods are at the top of their food chain. Mods regulate reviews that can make or break their business reputation. Mods control that mysterious and unknown ROS, where Providers do not know what may be said. Mods control the Ad threads; Mods can fix things if needed or refuse if they so decide. Mods have great power over naive Providers.

Trees has the knowledge and experience to confirm same.

If you quit the denial (if it is denial), you will see you have been no different. You made (subtle) demands, did not accept any refusal, and let them know that you were a Mod with power.
19Trees

My position is that you clearly betrayed trust placed with you. Bullshit excuses and distractions aside, you took advantage of women in weaker positions for your own gain. No matter how you delude yourself or think you are being clever, you betrayed trust, you are a thief, you are worse than a pimp, and you have no place in our community.

So Ladies (Gentlemen too), What do you think?

Old Dingus

19Trees · 10-01-2013, 05:35 PM

Dingus,

Trees makes no excuses for anything. Every provider was paid and Trees spent about $20,000 dollars since becoming Member of ECCIE. Plus gifts and tips. Admittedly not 25% more than their rack rate, that would be your show. Trees admits to being value conscious one of the things that most of the community appreciates: reviews, pics, intel based on facts. Not innuendo. Not rumor mill. Facts.

No provider NOT ONE has stepped up nor has ONE come out and stated a gripe who has met Trees. Admittedly there are providers who Trees did not meet who have have vendetta, but Trees has no clue upon what facts they may be based. There have been allegations (propagated by Whispers then a pile-on of hearsay)... but the hearsay is also false and groundless. If any provider comes forward, Trees has offered to right any wrong of which there are none that come to mind or result from the research. This is the 340th post in this yellowy thread. Try to find ONE mention of any provider who has confirmed the drivel started by Whispers. Does that mean they don't exist? Seems reasonable to conclude but perhaps not for peeps who are shepherded. Stone Trees to death. Crowd goes wild. Not really though you are in the minority. And your reviews (0) neither inform nor entertain. Who even knows if you are a troll anyway? Quack.

PM any provider Trees has seen (52 reviews published plus about a dozen locker room reviews) all will say the same. Trees was gentlemen who they enjoyed meeting and invited back.

No provider who has seen Trees has made any allegation to the contrary. Unless and until Trees hears ONE gripe from ONE provider Whispers and you just blow a lot of hot air around. Seems like a little or a lot of made-up shit that you guys spread around like its butter.

19Trees

Guest030824 · 10-01-2013, 07:13 PM

Please a little shift in thread.
Who determines which reviews are listed on a providers ECCIE site? I have noticed that I find reviews from the client that never show up on the providers site. I just figured with so many knowledgeable people here that I can get an answer. Now back to the regular programing.....

Codybeast · 10-01-2013, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by snoopdogg

why is this still going on?

Because you viewed it and jumped in to ask why it's still going on. Ooops my response didn't help kill it either.

Whispers · 10-01-2013, 10:05 PM

LOL.... It's starting to slip.... Only 1208 views since this time last night... 1372 Views per day on average and it just pushed past my all time highest viewed thread..... From back in June/July 2011

hmmm.... What next?

Whispers · 10-01-2013, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 19Trees

........ you are in the minority. And your reviews (0) neither inform nor entertain. Who even knows if you are a troll anyway?

Old Dingus was not always old......

SofaKingFun · 10-01-2013, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Whispers

A very lucky man actually..... A 22 (about to be 23 yo) that I sleep with every night and a (just turned) 20yo SB I see 3 or 4 times a week...... Plus I get a little "strange" here and there....

Lots of luck man,,,,,, a little game...... a little cash at times.....

Point of order. WickedMULF is NOT 22 (about to be 23yo).

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Originally Posted by Whispers

Thank-yous will be in order at some time....

DD certainly stepped up as did Vicky-Lynn. Still Lookin drove some nails into the coffin.....

But none of this would have been made possible without the actions of 19Trees....

We truly owe him and his team of doubting Thomas'es that stirred the flames here and drove this little lit match into an inferno of sorts.....

Oh... Wait... It's a little too early for the Good-Bye and Thank-you speech.....

I believe we have one remaining Special Guest Appearance to be made that will enlighten us a little more.....

Whispers, enough of the peacocking, man. So far all you've brought up is conjecture based on Third-party allegations. If trees is guilty of what you're claiming, then bring this mystery guest up and drop the bomb already. Geez, man....this threAd has been up now for almost two-weeks and you have YET to bring forward a single victim

Seems to me all you care about is stringing this along for as long as you can...almost as if you're wetting yourself over the view count. Alright. You've had your moment in the spotlight. Drop the hammer already and put this debacle out of its misery.

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