Y no black men??

[Rogue_Gent]

HIV in the United States: At A Glance Blacks/African Americans continue to experience the most severe burden of HIV, compared with other races and ethnicities.
Blacks represent approximately 12% of the U.S. population, but accounted for an estimated 44% of new HIV infections in 2010. They also accounted for 44% of people living with HIV infection in 2009
Unless the course of the epidemic changes, at some point in their lifetime, an estimated 1 in 16 black men and 1 in 32 black women will be diagnosed with HIV infection.

Also from CDC: rates of new HIV infection - White 7 per 100,000; Black 60 per 100,000. What this translates to is Blacks are 8 times more likely than Whites to be infected by HIV.

Crime statistics by race are much more difficult to access. The tables are now buried in the FBI website where they used to be much more openly published. The tables 43, 49 and 55 show the rate of violent crime for Blacks is 32% during 2012 which means that of violent crimes reported, the perpetrator is black 32% of the time. Blacks make up 12% of the population of the USA. That translates to a violent crime rate for Blacks that is 3.5 times the violent crime rate for Whites.

What this means to a provider. The risk of HIV infection and the risk of being a victim of violent crime are drastically higher if they service Black men.

Is this racist, or is it being realistic about relative risk?

[workz80]

Holy shit! Wasn't expecting this response. Im not looking for pitty. And I understand and can respect the power of preference and choice. I've read it and been told after screening that they don't see AA men and can admit I feel I've wasted time. I'd rather know up front so I can just move on. But what I hate is when common courtesy is sacraficed bc of preference. Dont have me jumping thru hoops just to ignore me when u read that I'm AA. A simply "I don't c black guys is easy enough"... no apology needed. I can't and try not to judge women that don't, its the same as me prefering busty women. But don't b a bitch is all I'm saying.

[workz80]

And im not getting into statistics. This is business and they run their own as they see fit. But it does seem racist when Im made to feel alien for something I can't change. And I may have coworkers or associates that I could send ur way even if u tell me know but being extra dramatic and rude and ignoring ppl is usually bad for business.

[shayla84]

Wow, are you kidding me. So what the white race is smarter, cleaner, resistant to STD's. Hmmm, thats funny. This kinda erks me knowing that I have mixed kids and AA uncles and aunts and cousins and all, thats like saying Native Americans are more likely to become drunks then the white people, could that be because there are more of you then anyother race so the minority race will have bigger numbers because theres less of us, so are percentages are higher. I am sorry but I have never had a black guy or Hispanic guy ask me for bbfs, but I have lots of white guys that do and that are blacklisted on the providers lists ( yes we have ours just like you have yours) lol. This whole thread is nonsense, really it was nonsense to ask which I agree 100 % with LM, it doesnt matter if someone doesnt want to see you, its there bodie, there choice. But these are not facts lets not act like one race is better then the other, its rude and ignorant and shame full.

[db1988]

I totally agree with the point made by Shayla. If I was an AA man, I will be offended by the rude and disrespectful comments made by some. The statistics are too general and several assumptions can be made from them. Such as the fact that a very large number of AA have a lower level of education, and as a result the crime rate for the AA population tends to be higher. However, how about those who have a college degree. In such case it will be unfair to discriminate them just because of the statistics. Anyway, ignorance usually goes hand in hand with discrimination and stereotyping. So if I was an AA, I would rather not try to see those providers who discriminate them since they are probably too ignorant to realize that the stereotypes are not always true.

[Little Monster]

Originally Posted by db1988

I totally agree with the point made by Shayla. If I was an AA man, I will be offended by the rude and disrespectful comments made by some. The statistics are too general and several assumptions can be made from them. Such as the fact that a very large number of AA have a lower level of education, and as a result the crime rate for the AA population tends to be higher. However, how about those who have a college degree. In such case it will be unfair to discriminate them just because of the statistics. Anyway, ignorance usually goes hand in hand with discrimination and stereotyping. So if I was an AA, I would rather not try to see those providers who discriminate them since they are probably too ignorant to realize that the stereotypes are not always true.

what's really ignorant is assuming that the provider is stereotyping people, or labeling her a racist just because she may not be sexually attracted to black men. calling them ignorant for having their preferences is what's really ignorant. they are humans and a lot of them do want the experience to be somewhat enjoyable themselves. Are woman who only see old men considered ignorant too, or is it ok to refuse to see one demographic but not the other???

[A Light In The Black]

It is what it is. They choose not to! If you write whining threads about it, do you think it's going to change anything? I think it makes them dig in their heels deeper. And it definitely bores the crap out of the rest of us who do not care why they have NBA policies.

[atxwrx]

Workz80, I know where you are coming from. I have been frustrated by some ladies having NBA policies in the past. I posed the same question and got some similar replies (some constructive and some just down right fucking ignorant). The thing I came away from it all is this. It is a lady's choice, no matter why they have the policy. I personally came to the conclusion that I will not waste my time and spend my funds on a woman who does not want to see me. Why would I want to be with someone that I have to convince or talk in to seeing me. My advice is to just be you. If being you shows that you are a respectful, laid back, and chill gentleman, you will find ladies who are truly worth being with and you will enjoy your time.

[atxwrx]

As far as the STD argument, stats are stats. But just like with stats in any other situation, stats do not tell the whole story. The unfortunate reality is that in some communities, there is not adequate access to health care and yes there is not adequate education. Statistics are facts but they don't show all the facts.

[Bobave]

Originally Posted by A Light In The Black

It is what it is. They choose not to! If you write whining threads about it, do you think it's going to change anything? I think it makes them dig in their heels deeper. And it definitely bores the crap out of the rest of us who do not care why they have NBA policies.

I used to get aggravated with this type thread because I didn't think they served any useful purpose, especially after a superthread/sticky was created because so many people were tired of the unproductive whining... but assholes kept posting on the subject in general fora anyway (notice, mods, I did not address anyone in particular). Then I realized that such threads are a useful source to tell me which members are idiots (both mongers and providers). Very helpful.

[Beagle]

Originally Posted by Bobave

Then I realized that such threads are a useful source to tell me which members are idiots (both mongers and providers). Very helpful.

Not saying if I agree of disagree, but that shit is funny........bwahahaha........ .

[expresso]

Originally Posted by atxwrx

As far as the STD argument, stats are stats. But just like with stats in any other situation, stats do not tell the whole story. The unfortunate reality is that in some communities, there is not adequate access to health care and yes there is not adequate education. Statistics are facts but they don't show all the facts.

Fact is AA due to years of oppression are statistically a lot poorer and have a much higher jobless rate than other races. When you lack money you're more likely to engage in riskier behavior such as crime, drugs and unprotected sex, doesn't matter what ethnicity you are this holds true across the board.

Plus what you often hear is if a black man does something wrong, people will say oh you make your race look bad. If a white person does something wrong, they make THEMSELVES look bad. Utterly ridiculous but it's true.

But this type of preference against AA's holds true in many countries not just America. It doesn't make it better, but it is what it is.

If the roles were reversed and white people were oppressed for many years you'd hear the providers stating they don't want to see white people.

Being a provider they will choose and have every right to choose what they feel is the safest route for them to engage in their activity. THEY are taking a MUCH higher portion of the risk.

That is why they usually prefer to see older and more affluent gentleman.
Quite frankly OP you write like a teenage girl if I was a provider that would worry me more than anything else.
It tells me you're probably a young guy not affluent or very educated(or maybe just lazy) looking to get the most out of whatever provider they could wrangle.

I'm not saying I'm right at all but if I was risking my well-being I'd cancel and wait for a PM from a person that acted more sophisticated and had enough respect for me to make an effort to try to at least be grammatically correct.

Also OP calling woman "bitches' when they don't want to see you it makes you sound disrespectful.

[mrhamm]

If you are going to argue over stats, use some stats closer to home. Check out https://www.dshs.state.tx.us/hivstd/...anceReport.pdf. This might not be the most up to date as I only did a quick google. I wouldn't make assumptions about the local population based on national trends.

We don't know what the stats actually are for the Austin Texas monger. Do we even have stats about ethnicity of the Austin TX monger?

[PandaBear]

I'm not AA but I have often asked women this question and the answer I usually get is size so I just thought this was the universal reason. Then I came across this provider post for a provider named Megan Love and read this in the "About Me" section of her website.

"PS guys. I'm newbie friendly. You got to start somewhere, right? I try my best to accommodate everyone and make the process easier. I do, however, have expected etiquette and rules: You Must be over 35 years old. I do NOT see black or Indian or MiddleEastern men. There are plenty of other providers who will see you, I'm just not one of them."

http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=952498

So I thought to myself, Indian guys or MiddleEastern guys aren't known for their size so for her it must be a preference reason. I guess....

Like I said, I am neither of these but it has to be very offensive for a respected hobbyist of color to be told I won't see you because of the color of your skin.

Anyway, my 2 cents... and.... Megan Love is hot as hell.

[GenesisNicole]

OP, keep your head up.

I may not be an AA male but I can understand the "preference" thing as it applies to the hobby.

I am constantly passed over because of the color of my skin.
100% all positive reviews across a couple of boards, NEVER had any issues with my TCB, BCD, etc all of the above.

I would think I would be the epitome of the type of provider a man would want as I have my life in order, (I know and am currently building up my real world business), flat backing is not my life long career goal or even an option beyond my business thriving. I do not post threADS, or get involved in board drama. (drama period does not sit well with me)
Yet with a good portion of men on these boards will by pass me and schedule with a non Ebony type of provider (one with a sketchy rep too) just so not to be with that "black gal".

I'm Puerto Rican and Ebony, in my personal life I prefer to date Asian and Caucasian gentlemen, however within the hobby, I do not discriminate.

Perhaps the dynamics of being the "seller' and not the "buyer".

I'm sorry you are having such troubles. But I assure you that there are many providers out here that will entertain a gentleman (of any color)

Not trying to assume on which or what type of ladies you are "trying" to see, but expand your horizons. MANY ladies out here and in Austin Texas.

FWIW (for what it's worth) (purely my opinion based upon how I judge someone based upon their posting style)

I am more likely to not respond to a gentleman's PM/ EMAIL if I can not understand what you are typing.

I'm not trying to be all high and mighty or better than, however, using c=see; u= you
will make me already have preconceived notions that you are lazy, uneducated, young, etc.... (things you probably are not, but the Middle School Text style does not scream Professional male)

*curtsy*

~GN~