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[TheRedMonroe]

Originally Posted by Taskmaster

Whereas I understand your need for safety, and would be ok with giving you that info given your reputation, I will play Devil's Advocate for a moment.

You suggest the men have a double standard , but the argument could be made that your policy is the double standard. You say that men can research you through various means , but the double standard is that they won't give you info such as real name and work place with work number. However, the examples you give for our research include mostly means you could use too (except Tineye). If you are writing this rant to us , I assume you are referring to us as the culprits. I would think that a guy will at least give you his ECCIE Handle(or you wouldn't even know ECCIE guys are the culprits) , so you could check out his posts and reviews, ask your coworkers, friends, relatives as you say we can do. On the other hand, you are asking the guys for real life info to include name, work, and work number. Yet you are not giving us a real name, real work site for any other job you may have , and real job phone number. Now maybe you don't have a second job, but if you did, would you want to give us that info so we can call there and make sure you are real? So double standard? Maybe, but on who's part?

I'm not going to cover all my screening methods here in the public forum, but I will say that when a gentleman contacts me I do ask for his Eccie handle (with reviews and posts) or his P411 handle. It is the men who claim they don't have either and don't have references is only when I ask for employment verification. I make one phone call and ditch your information.

Since I am providing out of my real home, you do receive some of my real life info. Knowing where someone lives is very personal and I'm not going to just let anyone in.

There is no review site for us providers on you gentlemen. There is no list of good or bad guys to be aware of like there is here on Eccie for us providers. When I am contacted by a gentleman with a throw away phone who claims he is a newbie with no handles or references and wants to meet first prior to the appointment, that is when I ask for employment verification.

[TheRedMonroe]

Originally Posted by Lexxxy

In my experience it's a lot more rare for member to shy away from screening than BP guys. Some BP guys (mostly younger) give you EVERYTHING facebook, twitter, kik, skype, work... and others don't want to give anything. If someone doesn't want to give references, name, work info... I usually say good luck and just hang up or never reply. Yeah, there are some sites where all I have to do is type in the guys phone number and I can find refs/alerts and what not but he isn't worth doing that for if he just wants to play games.
That whole meet for coffee if becoming a huge issue. I don't have any time to mess around with that, I'm in town for short periods of time, usually have a pretty set schedule with prebooks, and that doesn't provide screening.
A detective in Cleveland got a ton of references just by taking girls to coffee, drinks, shopping, dinner, sex shops, strip clubs... then took down a ton of people in a big sting... no thanks. Because of these types of situations there are now warnings on verification sites because LE found ways around it by just doing meet and greets. Now when someone says they refuse to provide screening then invites me to something like that for screening after I tell them good luck it's a HUGE red flag to me because that has been such a common LE tactic as of late. I just put them in my phone as DNS Possible LE then upload them to an alert site as possible LE if they mention menus, p4p, or any specific questions.

Wow, that information was a shock to me. I didn't know that this was an LE trick, but I knew that I wasn't going anywhere to meet anyone Thanks Lex!

In my head, anyone can schmooze for a few minutes, but that doesn't mean that they are safe to invite into my home. I love how they offer to pay more money to avoid screening as if money means more to me than being safe.

I won't see anyone that I can't screen and for those who don't agree, they are more than welcome to see another provider. My safety is more important than any amount of money.

[normal47male]

Isn't the best and easiest way joining Date Check and / or P411??
That's what I did when I was a newbie.

[Taskmaster]

Originally Posted by TheRedMonroe

I'm not going to cover all my screening methods here in the public forum, but I will say that when a gentleman contacts me I do ask for his Eccie handle (with reviews and posts) or his P411 handle. It is the men who claim they don't have either and don't have references is only when I ask for employment verification. I make one phone call and ditch your information.

Since I am providing out of my real home, you do receive some of my real life info. Knowing where someone lives is very personal and I'm not going to just let anyone in.

There is no review site for us providers on you gentlemen. There is no list of good or bad guys to be aware of like there is here on Eccie for us providers. When I am contacted by a gentleman with a throw away phone who claims he is a newbie with no handles or references and wants to meet first prior to the appointment, that is when I ask for employment verification.

Well with those clarifications, your policy seems reasonable. If I was a woman , I wouldn't allow men into my home if they had no references , no Handle, no posting history , and no way to verify who they were either. Since you had posted it here on ECCIE, I assumed that you were referring to ECCIE guys with Handles (or why bother posting it here unless just venting?) and I also thought you ladies did have an info sharing area to protect each other from bad guys.

[J.J. Walker]

Originally Posted by Taskmaster

I would think that a guy will at least give you his ECCIE Handle

I've asked my kids to call me J.J. Until further notice

[Taskmaster]

Originally Posted by J.J. Walker

I've asked my kids to call me J.J. Until further notice

They shouldn't get too used to it though as it likely will change within the next few months!

[tigerjedi69]

Screening varies by provider. I have given out my ECCIE handle and that works for some. I am hesitant to give out personal information as we have all heard about a provider who will exchange it for leniency if they get busted. Also on verification, I am a bit uncomfortable having a provider I know vouch for me, in that my business will be going elsewhere. I could be wrong, but I am not comfortable asking for the reference. Recently, I was asked to text a picture for verification purposes, but I don't have the ability to send pics from my phone, so the meet was a no go. I did offer to e-mail via their BP ad, but that wasn't accepted by the provider.

[Lexxxy]

Originally Posted by TheRedMonroe

Wow, that information was a shock to me. I didn't know that this was an LE trick, but I knew that I wasn't going anywhere to meet anyone Thanks Lex!

In my head, anyone can schmooze for a few minutes, but that doesn't mean that they are safe to invite into my home. I love how they offer to pay more money to avoid screening as if money means more to me than being safe.

I won't see anyone that I can't screen and for those who don't agree, they are more than welcome to see another provider. My safety is more important than any amount of money.

I'll pm you with details. I also posted an alert when I heard about P411 http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?...highlight=p411 also happened on datecheck, indys,and here. I heard Someone met a cop at the millennium bar and was arrested.

[Plastic Man]

Problem with wanting a man to give all personal info for a little illegal activity funtime?maybe you need a new line of work then again plenty of heroes ready to hand over id and ss number for renting ass

[Aguy]

The thing I've always wondered about screening is how does it really screen out people you don't want to see. A cop can easily provide you with a job reference, personal references, escort references and so forth. A job reference is as easy as having a second cheap hobby phone and answering it with a company name. You have no quick way to know. After all hobbyists and escorts never lie to each other.

Ted Bundy was mentioned earlier, but he had jobs and I'm sure could of provided screening information.

I just don't see what screening really does for you unless it is from a provider YOU know well and are fairly sure she hasn't been compromised.

[jackfengshui]

Originally Posted by Aguy

I just don't see what screening really does for you

Screening is not foolproof. Are you suggesting that it is better not to screen at all? Or do you have an alternative approach to recommend?

[Aguy]

I don't have an answer that. Does screening discourage enough weirdos and wack jobs to be worth the effort, possible. Will it protect you from the police doing a sting on low hanging fruit it, likely.

Does it present a significant barrier to aquiring new clients, definitely.

Would I give out my name and employment. I have, but then I have a common name and for years I worked as a manager for a company that hired a lot of entry level employees. There were a lot of people that would have had my name and phone number or that I would of called and couldn't tell you who they were or why a week later.


The problem there is risk in meeting someone either as a hobbyist or an escort and making it safer for one makes it less safe for the other.

[jackfengshui]

if "no screenng" is not a real option, the provider is left with a difficult balance between prudence and business volume. Like I said,

Originally Posted by jackfengshui

Screening is for the safety and comfort level of everyone involved. Anyone not happy with a particular provider's screening process can always see someone else.

[TheRedMonroe]

"A job reference is as easy as having a second cheap hobby phone and answering it with a company name"

Please do forgive me because an amazing client of mine just supplied me with many mimosas this afternoon and I'm going to be very blunt. Do you seriously think I'm that stupid?

You think I'm going to call an unknown cell phone number as an employment verification? Nope, not going to happen.

You are right, you never know what type of person I am going to be answering the door to, but none of us never know whether we are a provider or a gentleman. We do our research and we hope for the best. Nothing is guaranteed.

I would never be as dumb as to allow a cell phone to be used as an employment verification and to think I would is just ridiculous.

Like I said before, I'm not going to outline my screening process in a public forum to bore everyone, but I am a bit smarter than that.
As for my business, I would rather be safe than have a line of new clients waiting outside the door. I am low volume and I like to keep it that way. Not everyone who requests an appointment gets one. Safety is priority, not money.

Thank you. Back to the mimosas because they are damn delicious!

Originally Posted by Aguy

The thing I've always wondered about screening is how does it really screen out people you don't want to see. A cop can easily provide you with a job reference, personal references, escort references and so forth. A job reference is as easy as having a second cheap hobby phone and answering it with a company name. You have no quick way to know. After all hobbyists and escorts never lie to each other.

Ted Bundy was mentioned earlier, but he had jobs and I'm sure could of provided screening information.

I just don't see what screening really does for you unless it is from a provider YOU know well and are fairly sure she hasn't been compromised.

[Guest070916]

Sure screening is not foolproof but is better than no screening for the ladies trying to weed out weirdos and undercover cops lurking on the boards, looking for leads and low hanging fruit.

There are all sorts of screening. Some are more intrusive and some are effective and not that intrusive at all. Some girls want your entire bio, while others are happy with your handle and a reference/voucher or two from VPs here or other escort boards. These can be very easily checked in a couple minutes.

Ladies are generally leery of newbies and longtime lurker members who seldom post and do little or no reviews fearing they are weirdos or undercover cops or both! Sure girls say there are all sorts of reasons these types give them for not posting or doing reviews but this doesn't alter the fact it raises red flags to many ladies who just want to be safe.