BBFS when it's not offered...

[mrhamm]

Originally Posted by SJ One

Is rape, right? Well, Ithink it is, anyway. I do know that an instance of it drove one of my favorite providers and agencies out of business. And that made me beyond sad.

Probably. Just because it was not offered, doesn't mean it wasn't welcome. I bet there is a 99% chance it was not welcome however and it would therefore be rape. Yeah it's horrible. That's why pay for play should be legal and then women would be more open to report such incidents.

[mrhamm]

Originally Posted by Scarlett Rossi

Umm, duh....force or coercercion after a person says NO/STOP is rape. If a woman/man is passed out from drinking, forbidden topic, prescription drugs, or just asleep......That person can NOT give her consent, so that is rape. Happend to me once. He got his...just sayn'

I am sorry you were raped.

In 'polite conversation' I would leave it at that, but this is a public message board and I will throw decorum out the window and provide an response which goes against what you have stated. I have no intention of diminishing what happened to you.

Last night, I woke up to my wife giving me a blowjob. I was not able to provide consent when she started, but I sure as hell wasn't raped. I've woken with my dick in her mouth more than 100 times since we have been married. There were a few times I was so tired from work or a lack of sleep where I told her to stop (guys can get to that point) but I still didn't feel I was raped. I've woken her before by masturbating her and she didn't think it was rape.

Now we have never explicitly given consent but I don't see how someone could ever say we raped the other doing so. The 'rule' can't be black and white on this about whether someone's ability to give consent makes the sexual contact rape or not. The fact is you can have sex with someone without their explicit consent and it still can be consensual.

[Loxly]

I'm certain that the ladies have this "covered" (pardon the pun) through their various circles and brand hobbyists who are pushy and dangerous. As with the hobbyists, if they don't do the research they may run into trouble.

In or out of the hobby No is No. And if it turns violent the lady should contact the local rape crisis center for information.

[Guest021716-4]

Nothing is black and white. Agreed. What I said does not apply to every situation. I thought that would be obvious, but I guess not. Either I over estimate people's ability to understand me thru my writing, I didn't explain myself thoroughly or you are a bit insensitive....Maybe? But, this was not my husband, SO, or a hobbyist. And that is all I care to say about that.

[Still Looking]

I have heard from many providers that there are guys that feel once they lay down the cash it's what ever "they" think or "want". Some girls are intimidated and follow through. Sad really... but these guys do this because it works. They do it in regard to BBFS , GREEK and the big one MSOG. If a provider states MSOG in her P411, BP ad or show case or even in reviews, there are guys that thinck they should be able to stay till it happens even if that means two hours or longer. Then if they don't get it they take back money or demand it back or threaten a bad review. I'd like to thinck that most of us are gentleman and there are very few of these guys out there, but it seems I hear this more and more. The younger and newer providers being victimized by these guys. While I am not a violent person I am in favor of bring back public hanging for these guys. Or make them into UNICS.