incall vs hotel

[thisguy23]

Originally Posted by Becca Blossoms

I always use different hotels for my in calls. It's very dangerous for a lady to use a permanent location such as an apartment, that's a pattern of behavior in one place. Neighbors tend to take notice. I'm also very low volume so I dont have a lot of traffic to the room. You also want to avoid a room that escorts are sharing, that's twice the traffic or 3 times (if it's 3 girls), etc.

I do have an ad on P411 however, I NEVER use them for screening. They allow gentleman sign up under aliases. If a gentleman has been abusive to a provider, is black listed and has created a horrible reputation for himself, all he has to do is sign up on P411 and providers see him.

Here in Wisconsin, LE has taken over P411 accounts of gentlemen. There was also a provider working with LE on there. P411 was informed of this and they did nothing about it. That provider is still on there.

I've heard about LE taking over accounts of reputable providers and gentlemen in other states on P411 like they did in Wisconsin however, I have no first hand knowledge like I do in Wisconsin.

I dont think this is true, but it wouldnt be the first time I have been wrong.

[Always Horny]

Originally Posted by Becca Blossoms

I do have an ad on P411 however, I NEVER use them for screening. They allow gentleman sign up under aliases. If a gentleman has been abusive to a provider, is black listed and has created a horrible reputation for himself, all he has to do is sign up on P411 and providers see him.

Here in Wisconsin, LE has taken over P411 accounts of gentlemen. There was also a provider working with LE on there. P411 was informed of this and they did nothing about it. That provider is still on there.

I've heard about LE taking over accounts of reputable providers and gentlemen in other states on P411 like they did in Wisconsin however, I have no first hand knowledge like I do in Wisconsin.

I use date-check. What's your opinion as a provider with them?

[Becca Blossoms]

I've never used date-check and I'm unfamilar with what goes on with that site. I've never heard anything negative or anything about LE taking over their accounts. The reason I choose not to use it is because RS2K is more popular in my area although ladies in my areas do use it.

I'm sorry I can't be of more help here.

[awl4knot]

I'm still waiting for Waverunner to back up his claim that he can get P411 OK's without seeing the provider.

[GinaXXX]

Originally Posted by Becca Blossoms

They allow gentleman sign up under aliases. If a gentleman has been abusive to a provider, is black listed and has created a horrible reputation for himself, all he has to do is sign up on P411 and providers see him.

Of course this isn't true. We work very hard to ensure the site is secure and free from problem members.

Originally Posted by Becca Blossoms

Here in Wisconsin, LE has taken over P411 accounts of gentlemen. There was also a provider working with LE on there. P411 was informed of this and they did nothing about it. That provider is still on there.

It was likely because of me that you heard about the past incidents in Wisconsin, because I posted about them on P411 immediately, right after I shut down the account that was involved. Just because other sites aren't as forthcoming with such types of issues, doesn't mean they don't have them.... I just prefer to be as open as possible about them, because I feel I have a responsibility to the community.

In regards to the provider you refer to, just because the gossip mongers say that so and so is this or that, doesn't mean it's true. I don't act on gossip alone, I would need to see something solid to give me concern, and in regards to the provider I found nothing to back up the rumors.

Originally Posted by Becca Blossoms

I've heard about LE taking over accounts of reputable providers and gentlemen in other states on P411 like they did in Wisconsin however, I have no first hand knowledge like I do in Wisconsin.

You also know this because I posted about it on P411. We had two other incidents a few years ago in Little Rock. So all in all, we've had four incidents where a legitimate client account was taken over, and used to cause providers difficulties. Twice in Little Rock years ago, and twice in Wisconsin over the past year. Which actually isn't bad, considering we are talking 30,000+ people using the site since 2005.

I will never claim that P411 is perfect. We are only one tool in the verification process. If you think there is a "perfect" tool or site out there, then please feel free to use it. However, I really suggest you keep in mind the fact that most sites prefer to hide their problems.... so of course you've never heard anything. P411 is a little different, in that I don't hide our problems and weaknesses.

Originally Posted by Becca Blossoms

I do have an ad on P411 however, I NEVER use them for screening.

Your free listing on P411 requires you to take part in the network. We are not solely an advertising site, and we are not interested in having provider on P411 who are taking advantage of the free advertising, while not giving anything back to the network.

We encourage everyone to do as much additional screening as they feel is necessary to keep themselves safe. There is no need to badmouth the site and the business that we work day in and day out to keep as secure and safe as possible. The key word is "as possible". Perfection is not possible.... but doing the best we can is.

Always,
Gina

[Eva Damita]

Just use cash for the room - simple ... rip up the receipt...or hide it...simple.

[pyramider]

Originally Posted by awl4knot

I'm still waiting for Waverunner to back up his claim that he can get P411 OK's without seeing the provider.

So would Gina.

[Becca Blossoms]

Originally Posted by GinaXXX

Of course this isn't true. We work very hard to ensure the site is secure and free from problem members.


It was likely because of me that you heard about the past incidents in Wisconsin, because I posted about them on P411 immediately, right after I shut down the account that was involved. Just because other sites aren't as forthcoming with such types of issues, doesn't mean they don't have them.... I just prefer to be as open as possible about them, because I feel I have a responsibility to the community.

In regards to the provider you refer to, just because the gossip mongers say that so and so is this or that, doesn't mean it's true. I don't act on gossip alone, I would need to see something solid to give me concern, and in regards to the provider I found nothing to back up the rumors.


You also know this because I posted about it on P411. We had two other incidents a few years ago in Little Rock. So all in all, we've had four incidents where a legitimate client account was taken over, and used to cause providers difficulties. Twice in Little Rock years ago, and twice in Wisconsin over the past year. Which actually isn't bad, considering we are talking 30,000+ people using the site since 2005.

I will never claim that P411 is perfect. We are only one tool in the verification process. If you think there is a "perfect" tool or site out there, then please feel free to use it. However, I really suggest you keep in mind the fact that most sites prefer to hide their problems.... so of course you've never heard anything. P411 is a little different, in that I don't hide our problems and weaknesses.


Your free listing on P411 requires you to take part in the network. We are not solely an advertising site, and we are not interested in having provider on P411 who are taking advantage of the free advertising, while not giving anything back to the network.

We encourage everyone to do as much additional screening as they feel is necessary to keep themselves safe. There is no need to badmouth the site and the business that we work day in and day out to keep as secure and safe as possible. The key word is "as possible". Perfection is not possible.... but doing the best we can is.

Always,
Gina

Gina, I apologize if I came off as bad mouthing P411, I don't bad mouth anyone however, I'm HUGE on provider safety. I got my information from providers that got busted and a gentlemen whose account was taken over. We won't hear about all the busts because people don't always share when their busted. I personally know 2 providers and one gentleman that won't talk publically. I personally have met with providers that got busted, talked to them and we decided the best thing to do was warn people, you being one of them. One girl tried to warn everyone after getting the ok from her attorney to talk. No site is perfect however, different sites react to reports of bad guys differently. I cooperate with the OK's on P411 because I know there are providers that will see a guy simply from his OK's. This makes me nervous because I want to know who the guy is, not just his P411 number. It's too easy to use a friend's number. I will contact other providers that gave them OK's, if their profiles are up and I can get their contact info. I also have to know the gentleman's real name, I check their driver's licneses to make sure they are who they say they are.

It's been a few weeks but the last time I looked, the provider that was cooperating with LE was on P411, months after the busts. My info isn't just rumors, I don't believe everything I hear. In fact, I've heard some screwy things from providers and gentlemen that I don't believe. If you would lilke to contact me, I would be happy to discuss this with you and give you sources of my info. I don't want to call anyone out that has been busted or put any orginzation's info on here, I don't think it's approiate for a public forum. Here is my contact info:

414-416-4645
becca@beccablossoms.com

Maybe, in return, you can help me better understand your screening. There was a time when I used P411 alone and a gentleman that was blacklisted showed up at my door. His name on his profile wasn't his real name. Had I done my homework and got his first and last name and checked with a few of the 5 OKs he had, I could have kept him from showing up. I didn't go through with the appointment, I came up with a bogus excuse for having to leave to get him to leave. If it weren't for a lady posting his picture and real info on a forum, I would have never known he was a bad guy. From that day on, I did additional screening and check driver's licneses. I think this is someting you need to know about, not because I'm trying to bad mouth you. P411 isn't a bad site, it's good for some things however, knowing about these incidents can help you to address them. Talking to other ladies, some admit they really don't know who the P411 guys are then see, they just know the name on their profile and their P411 number. How can I report a bad guy to other sites if all I have is a P411 number? Guys can just sign up under another alias when they screw up. They can also be on other sites under different names.

I just realized I need to be fair here, does P411 report to any blacklists or forums when a guy has been reported to be dangerous? Honestly, I don't know if any site does but I like the idea.

In my experiences, different sites handle reports of bad guys in different ways. Some reactions from sites are amazing, some are very dangerous and everything in between.

A gentleman above said he can get P411 OK's without seeing a provider. To be fair, I have never heard of this happening and the way the site is set up, there is only way this can be done and really, P411 can't do anything about it because it's dishonest. The only way I can think of that this can be done is the way the review system on any site can be abused. Some gentlemen will use the promice of a good review as a barganing tool to try to get a ladie's rates down. This puts everyone's safety at risk. I have personally been offered a "great review" if I gave a gentleman I have never seen a reference. I hung up on the guy. I'm sure a gentleman can do the same with P411 OKs however, I HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE of anyone actually doing this myself on P411 however, I don't doubt it's been done. No site is immune to this.

[GinaXXX]

I have very little respect for anyone who publicly claims to have so much info about serious situations that affect the P411 community, and the community at large, but has failed to take two minutes to contact me to make sure I am aware of any potential issues. The Wisconsin situation occurred months ago.... and you are just now getting up on your high horse about how much info you are privy to, but have never bothered to contact me. I never heard a peep from you about this "bad guy" you are talking about, I have no idea who you are talking about, so obviously you are not that "HUGE on provider safety".

I got my information from... a gentlemen whose account was taken over

Perhaps you don't realize this, but the gentlemen who's accounts are taken over are working with LE. They were legitimate clients, and might even still be clients.... but they are working with LE. So you might want to be really carefully with you are listening to, and sharing info with.

To me, you appear to be trying to stir up a little drama, while trying to make yourself look smart and "in the know" on a public forum, which is exactly the type of person I feel is a scourge to the community. A responsible person is discreet and prompt with bringing concerns to light. Fortunately the vast majority of people understand the concept.

I don't have any problem saying that P411 is not perfect.... that we RELY on people letting us know when there are problems after the fact, which I then share with everyone else when it's called for. We aren't psychic, we are human.... and we work extremely hard to keep the community as safe and secure as possible. If any other site is telling you they are perfect, that they have found a formula to eliminate these problems, I suggest you don't believe them.... because I guarantee they are lying. They might not be as open about issues, but they definitely have them.

I'm not going to track you down, you know where to find me. You knew where to find me all this time, but never bothered.

Always,
Gina

[Miss Dreams]

You said that right, You have never did anything but help others and I'm a member and prefer your site...over ANY!! Anyone can't write a review and join a site, not anyone can be part of P411 unless your willing to hand over secure info! Do clients flip, well yes...everyday! She can delete the accounts ASAP, but do realize if she's not notified, don't blame her, blame the providers or the client!

All I can say is thanks for your blessings of a wonderful community that you take time and respect to keep us safe.

There will always be haters, Ugh! Just know...Gina, You Are Appreciated!

Just check my signature line, she has Me in luv with her site and protection towards us providers and clients! Your the best, babe!

I have been a member of her site since...well for so long, I forgot!

Gina is here to help, not hurt anyone! Don't knock her! Support her and join today, let's all play safe!

<3,
Miss Dreams

Originally Posted by GinaXXX

I have very little respect for anyone who publicly claims to have so much info about serious situations that affect the P411 community, and the community at large, but has failed to take two minutes to contact me to make sure I am aware of any potential issues. The Wisconsin situation occurred months ago.... and you are just now getting up on your high horse about how much info you are privy to, but have never bothered to contact me. I never heard a peep from you about this "bad guy" you are talking about, I have no idea who you are talking about, so obviously you are not that "HUGE on provider safety".


Perhaps you don't realize this, but the gentlemen who's accounts are taken over are working with LE. They were legitimate clients, and might even still be clients.... but they are working with LE. So you might want to be really carefully with you are listening to, and sharing info with.

To me, you appear to be trying to stir up a little drama, while trying to make yourself look smart and "in the know" on a public forum, which is exactly the type of person I feel is a scourge to the community. A responsible person is discreet and prompt with bringing concerns to light. Fortunately the vast majority of people understand the concept.

I don't have any problem saying that P411 is not perfect.... that we RELY on people letting us know when there are problems after the fact, which I then share with everyone else when it's called for. We aren't psychic, we are human.... and we work extremely hard to keep the community as safe and secure as possible. If any other site is telling you they are perfect, that they have found a formula to eliminate these problems, I suggest you don't believe them.... because I guarantee they are lying. They might not be as open about issues, but they definitely have them.

I'm not going to track you down, you know where to find me. You knew where to find me all this time, but never bothered.

Always,
Gina

[Guest071313-5]

FWIW, I would think that if P411 Providers would shared ANY negative info they had, with Gina, it would make us all safer...Hobbyist and Providers.

[Becca Blossoms]

Originally Posted by GinaXXX

I have very little respect for anyone who publicly claims to have so much info about serious situations that affect the P411 community, and the community at large, but has failed to take two minutes to contact me to make sure I am aware of any potential issues. The Wisconsin situation occurred months ago.... and you are just now getting up on your high horse about how much info you are privy to, but have never bothered to contact me. I never heard a peep from you about this "bad guy" you are talking about, I have no idea who you are talking about, so obviously you are not that "HUGE on provider safety".


Perhaps you don't realize this, but the gentlemen who's accounts are taken over are working with LE. They were legitimate clients, and might even still be clients.... but they are working with LE. So you might want to be really carefully with you are listening to, and sharing info with.

To me, you appear to be trying to stir up a little drama, while trying to make yourself look smart and "in the know" on a public forum, which is exactly the type of person I feel is a scourge to the community. A responsible person is discreet and prompt with bringing concerns to light. Fortunately the vast majority of people understand the concept.

I don't have any problem saying that P411 is not perfect.... that we RELY on people letting us know when there are problems after the fact, which I then share with everyone else when it's called for. We aren't psychic, we are human.... and we work extremely hard to keep the community as safe and secure as possible. If any other site is telling you they are perfect, that they have found a formula to eliminate these problems, I suggest you don't believe them.... because I guarantee they are lying. They might not be as open about issues, but they definitely have them.

I'm not going to track you down, you know where to find me. You knew where to find me all this time, but never bothered.

Always,
Gina

The last thing I do is stir up drama, anyone that knows me know that I hate drama. I share facts to help others stay safe, that's all. Like I said, P411 isn't a bad site. After seeing the way you responded to one of the girls that were busted on a local Wisconsin site and stuck up for the girl that was working with LE, I didn't feel that repeating her story to you along with what others have said they reported to you would you. You didn't believe it from the horse's mouth so why would you believe a thrid party? I did, however, reporte it to other places and warned providers about the provider that works with LE when neccessary. I got positive feedback and saw action being taken promptly on other sites.

No other site has claimed to be perfect, because their not. I'm prompt in reporting anything I need to, always have been. I've been doing this for 8 years and I run a nonprofit orginzation for sex workers. I also encourage other providers to report things to you and anyone else neccessary to keep us all safe. The unfortunate thing is after someone gets busted, it could be months before they report anything because they are scared into not saying anything. If someone else gets caught saying anything, the person sharing the info can get in trouble for obstructing justice and the person that got busted can also get in trouble, until the case is closed. Most attornys that I have talked to and from what I hear from others that have been busted have their clients keep quiet until their cases are closed. The one girl that you reacted harshly to on the Wisconsin forum couldn't wait to share her story but had to keep quiet until her case was closed. She did, however, contact me and another provider and we talked about it extensly. I can share more info with you if you contact me, I can't put all info on a public forum.

A few years ago, I did send an e mail regarding my experience and never heard back. I also reported this gentleman on other sites. I figured you got the info and will do what was neccessary. Because of this incident, I personally have stopped using any verification that only give me a number and no real info on the gentleman unless I can get the info on my own. If I can't verify that the gentleman is who he says he is and all his info is accurate, I won't see him. P411 is a good place to start however, I can't risk using their screeing alone. I need to know who I'm seeing, not just their P411 number.

The way LE took over accounts was by busting gentlemen first then obtaining their information. At this point, gentlemen, much like providers sometimes mistakenly do, work with LE and give them any info they ask for thinking LE will go easier on them. For some reason, LE around here targeted P411. I'm not saying that police targeting P411 is your fault, they can target anyone. There were also bogus accounts set up by LE. I can give you more info privately if you would like. This info came from an orginzation I work with that does involve a variety of people in my community. I don't want to put the orignzation's info on a public forum, I don't think it's approiate and I could get in trouble if I did.

I think if you and I talked, we could work out some of these problem or at leas better inform each other on the issues we disagree on. I'm not knocking P411 or anyone, I'm simply trying to share info and be honest. I will never put anyone down or say false things about anyone, it's simply not in my nature.

I'm not asking you to track me down, that's why I gave you my contact info. If you would like me to contact you, I have no problem doing so. I have sent e mails in the past and have received no response from P411. Perhaps phone is a better way to communicate?

[oserinia]

Since being in the hobby for many years I have used my own personal Incall years ago..My incall became a problem when I ended up having a regular who then turned out to be a provider’s nightmare. You can always get that one client who might become obsessed with you and stalk you. Things happen just play it safe

Your safety should be the most important thing in your life. I use several hotels when I travel as well. I do not like the traffic going in and out of my hotel rooms. When you think people are not watching well they might not be but all it takes is one person to notice things.
I don’t want to post anything negative and this is not a negative post just trying to give you a little information that has not been posted. Only you can decide what is best for you. Beware of your surroundings and always have fun and play safe. Hobbyist like having fun but safety is always important.
Being naughty and having fun is the best J


PS:
I do use P411 for hobbyist who do not like giving out their personal information to just anyone. I give the hobbyist their right to be discreet and protect their safety as I protect mine. Not all hobbyist like giving out personal information and I respect that.

Ms.O

[Becca Blossoms]

Originally Posted by oserinia

Since being in the hobby for many years I have used my own personal Incall years ago..My incall became a problem when I ended up having a regular who then turned out to be a provider’s nightmare. You can always get that one client who might become obsessed with you and stalk you. Things happen just play it safe

Your safety should be the most important thing in your life. I use several hotels when I travel as well. I do not like the traffic going in and out of my hotel rooms. When you think people are not watching well they might not be but all it takes is one person to notice things.
I don’t want to post anything negative and this is not a negative post just trying to give you a little information that has not been posted. Only you can decide what is best for you. Beware of your surroundings and always have fun and play safe. Hobbyist like having fun but safety is always important.
Being naughty and having fun is the best J


PS:
I do use P411 for hobbyist who do not like giving out their personal information to just anyone. I give the hobbyist their right to be discreet and protect their safety as I protect mine. Not all hobbyist like giving out personal information and I respect that.

Ms.O

I totally agree with you, nothing should come before our safety. You make a great point when you say be aware of our surroundings. I'm not saying anyone shouldn't use P411, just be aware that there is no way to be sure the P411 number the gentleman is using belongs to him. I know, like most sites, the people on P411 are good people, it's the few bad ones that make it hard on the majority. I don't see Gina as a bad person, we just disagree on some things. Personally, I won't see anyone without knowing who they are. I respect any gentleman who doesn't want to share his personal inf and I understand why he wouldnd't want to. I'm polite to these gentlemen when they explain their uncomfortable giving me their personal info and they move on to someone who will see them.

[Becca Blossoms]

I absolutely agree. We need to not only share it with Gina but with all the place we can think of, RS2K, DateCheck, TER, any other boards we can think of, and Google or other groups we're on and the providers we know personally. Sharing info keeps us all safe.