How do you deal with a bully? Kick 'em in the balls.

[Carl]

I could give a crap either way. I haven't used an agency since the days of Amazing and Sexy Maids/Seductive Mistresses. I think it was Max having a meltdown. But that doesn't mean some of the "concerned citizens" posting about WF and Max aren't the owners of competing agencies or their flunkies. As a matter of fact, given Max's prior history, it would seem that likely that a competitor would do a little provoking just to get him to meltdown, since Max's history (on and off the boards, apparently) shows that he and his temperament can be his own worst enemy. It's like using a fire-and-forget missile.

I do have to say that it's fun watching it all go down from the sidelines, though.



I just wish I had enough medals to pass around for everyone that deserved them. But all my money goes to pay for my eating disorder. I'm a BBQ-a-holic. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go over to the Alex Jones website to get some more chuckles. The folks on there also believe everything they read on the interwebs.

[tcreative2]

There were no posts put up under the account while it was hacked. If there had been bogus posts made they would have been pulled ........... only the avatar was changed to a fat woman and the password changed. Why would any of you assume it was an excuse?

And Rocker;

you're another example of making an incorrect assumption because your ego got bruised. You had a bad experience with a Wildflowers session. You wrote a revew that reflected your experience and like most of your reviews it was well done and honest. You however have a temper and hold grudes and from that point forward whenever a revew of Wildflowers was posted you'd question the honesty of the reviewer and do what ever damage you could think of. For a number of reasons most of the revews of agency girls are by newbies ......... several of the review writers complained to staff about how rude they'd been treated by you. Keeping the board civil to newbies is one of the jobs of a moderator to assure the board grows. I treated you like a gentleman and asked you to please stop ......... you didn't. Then I told you to stay out of Wildflowers reveiws. It's your right to come to any conclusion you want to about why you got told to stop ......... but you've come to a bad conclusion.

[GneissGuy]

Originally Posted by Carl

I could give a crap either way. I haven't used an agency since the days of Amazing and Sexy Maids/Seductive Mistresses.

Damn, I miss the classy days of Amazing and Sexy Maids/Seductive Mistresses.



Dammit Carl, we're old men reminiscing about the old days and these kids and their damn music.

[RALPHEY BOY]

Carl, that pic is so fuking funny!!! yet wrong on so many levels.....

[GneissGuy]

[Carl]

Originally Posted by GneissGuy

Damn, I miss the classy days of Amazing and Sexy Maids/Seductive Mistresses.



Dammit Carl, we're old men reminiscing about the old days and these kids and their damn music.

Yeah, you tell some of these kids today that you used to have to go to a theater to see a movie or that phones didn't have push buttons and they look at you like you're delusional!

[johnnyboy]

1.No one else would get away with telling everyone that TC and CK were his partners and not be banned. Reports to that effect have now come from credible posters, not just a small cabal as TC asserts.

2.No one else would get away with the insults and profanities that Max has spewed forth in recent posts.

3.TC's and CK's denials were not merely denials, but accusations of others which have nothing to do with the content or merit of the accusing posts against Max. They appear to be attacks on the messengers. IN PARTICULAR, your suggestion that Karma's post reporting abuse by Max is part of a smear is LAUGHABLE....JUST LAUGHABLE.

4.Personally I have heard from three girls formerly with Max that he has actually RAPED THEM, using a handgun, at terminal points in their relationship when he figured they would leave him anyway.

5.There has been not one shread of evidence of any kind to disprove the allegation that Max is a felon still on parole. He even admits he spent time in prison. Why would this board tolerate having such a person promote himself here otherwise?

6.TC claims to know how much money Max has or doesn't have. Without some extraordinary relationship with him how would he know what his income is or is not? And if Max is broke today that's not to say he was in the past, when he was the most widely aspd reviewed provider. I'm guessing TC and other mods wish he were that lucrative again, and that's why they keep him around dispite all his obvious misconduct.

If this were a smear against Max there wouldn't be the obvious circumstances and reports supporting serious misconduct on and off this board against him. But instead he keeps going....and going...and going.

Everyone here understands that this board is about entertainment, but when credible reports of rape, extortion, assault, and other serious criminal acts are being perpetrated by an admited felon, then THE TRUTH MATTERS!

[rekcaSxT]

Originally Posted by johnnyboy

1.No one else would get away with telling everyone that TC and CK were his partners and not be banned. Reports to that effect have now come from credible posters, not just a small cabal as TC asserts.

2.No one else would get away with the insults and profanities that Max has spewed forth in recent posts.

3.TC's and CK's denials were not merely denials, but accusations of others which have nothing to do with the content or merit of the accusing posts against Max. They appear to be attacks on the messengers. IN PARTICULAR, your suggestion that Karma's post reporting abuse by Max is LAUGHABLE....JUST LAUGHABLE.

4.Personally I have heard from three girls formerly with Max that he has actually RAPED THEM, using a handgun, at terminal points in their relationship when he figured they would leave him anyway.

5.There has been not one shread of evidence of any kind to disprove the allegation that Max is a felon still on parole. He even admits he spent time in prison. Why would this board tolerate having such a person promote himself here otherwise?

6.TC claims to know how much money Max has or doesn't have. Without some extraordinary relationship with him how would he know what his income is or is not?

If this were a smear against Max there wouldn't be the obvious circumstances and reports supporting serious misconduct on and off this board against him. But instead he keeps going....and going...and going.

You should forward all of this to board ownership. They may not be aware of these issues yet. St. Chris has expressed an interest in making sure things are running smoothly here in Austin.

[Guest062610]

Originally Posted by johnnyboy

1.No one else would get away with telling everyone that TC and CK were his partners and not be banned. Reports to that effect have now come from credible posters, not just a small cabal as TC asserts.

He's dropped names several times to people...that doesn't make it real. I've had people drop my name when I was on staff and had never even met them.

2.No one else would get away with the insults and profanities that Max has spewed forth in recent posts.

That's not true, look around the board. People drop profanities and insults all the time...you clueless asshat.

3.TC's and CK's denials were not merely denials, but accusations of others which have nothing to do with the content or merit of the accusing posts against Max. They appear to be attacks on the messengers. IN PARTICULAR, your suggestion that Karma's post reporting abuse by Max is part of a smear is LAUGHABLE....JUST LAUGHABLE.

Maybe but it doesn't prove TC and CK are in bed with Max

4.Personally I have heard from three girls formerly with Max that he has actually RAPED THEM, using a handgun, at terminal points in their relationship when he figured they would leave him anyway.

What does that have to do with TC or CK? Also it's an off board issue and the mods and owners of ECCIE aren't the hobby police. If that did happen, the gals should get the real police involved.

5.There has been not one shread of evidence of any kind to disprove the allegation that Max is a felon still on parole. He even admits he spent time in prison. Why would this board tolerate having such a person promote himself here otherwise?

Being a felon on parole isn't against the rules of ECCIE. There's absolutely no reason why the staff or owners should give a shit if Max is on parole. Do you have any idea how many independent providers are on parole? How many "independent" providers have pimps? If the owners and staff had to track them all it would require a task force. Furthermore it doesn't show how TC and CK are aligned with Max.

6.TC claims to know how much money Max has or doesn't have. Without some extraordinary relationship with him how would he know what his income is or is not? And if Max is broke today that's not to say he was in the past, when he was the most widely aspd reviewed provider. I'm guessing TC and other mods wish he were that lucrative again, and that's why they keep him around dispite all his obvious misconduct.

If you have a paper trail please bring it forward otherwise it's just another baseless rumor and pointless speculation.

If this were a smear against Max there wouldn't be the obvious circumstances and reports supporting serious misconduct on and off this board against him. But instead he keeps going....and going...and going.

Everyone here understands that this board is about entertainment, but when credible reports of rape, extortion, assault, and other serious criminal acts are being perpetrated by an admited felon, then THE TRUTH MATTERS!

I've yet to see one shred of actual evidence that TC and CK or any other staff member is involved with Max. Just because the staff hasn't banned Max for the accusations doesn't mean he has connections on the staff. What's next, are you going to blame the owners of ECCIE? Saying they are spearheading the cover up. Where are the black helicopters?

You sir are on a mission and I don't know what your personal stake is in this mission but you really should be focusing on producing actual hard evidence of wrong doing on behalf of the staff, that is if you really want to see something happen instead of just fueling a fire for no purpose.

If they are indeed helping Max in his wrong doings, I'll personally call the owners of the site and demand something be done. However I've been around these boards for a minute and heard hundreds of rumors and none of them have ever been proven facts. They've been just rumors and grumblings of people who didn't get their way.

LAP

[honorable1]

LAP I think the posts by Karma and others are as close to evidence, albeit testimonial evidence, as you're gonna find. To set a bar as high as that of a criminal court is unrealistic, although even in court I think the testimony to date might gain a conviction if made under oath.

In terms of credibility, Max's accusers appeared measured and reasonable in their posts, as opposed to Max himself. Max's replies are like all of his posts, demeaning and contemptuous of his critics while being embued with a combination of self-pity, self-praise, and grandiosity. His vocabulary and use of language shows that he is intelligent, but it is an intelligence applied to manipulation of others. It is because of the content and tone of his posts that he has lost credibility versus his detractors. The mods continuing defense of him, even to the point of alleging a conspiracy including members like Karma, is what's drawing suspicion to the mods.

A person doesn't have to be on a mission if they are convinced, rightly or wrongly, that a member of this community has assaulted and raped other members.

The problem I have with this situation is that it is to be expected if the board permits known felons to be registered. Johnnyboy suggested in another thread that this board should perform a criminal check of providers. I think that might be stretching it, however a criminal check of agency owners only might be called for.

I've mentioned before that my career is in law, and I've had more than a little exposure to career criminals. Max's posts reveal him to be a pathological narcissist and perhaps a sociopath. His manipulative tendencies would place him in a prison community as a "jailhouse con,"
whose superior intelligence is used to guile and utilize other inmates.

[Guest062610]

honorable1,

I don't know anything about Max, except what I've read/heard over the years. I'm not defending him or his actions in anyway as I don't know him. I don't know if it's true or false and thankfully I'm not a staff member and don't have to find out. I do however know ck1942 and tcreative2, I've worked with them both over years and just can't believe either one would be involved with Max in any way, expect in an official moderating capacity. I do take issue with people bringing accusations without facts based on rumors and hearsay.

As far as not letting known felons on the board...you're kidding right? ECCIE and no other hobby related board ensures that the members and or advertisers are non-felons. We can dance around what "the hobby" is and isn't, that we pay for "time and companionship" only but at the end of the day that's all bullshit. It's prostitution and that itself is against the law. An agency owner if caught being an agency owner would be a felon, so they are committing a felony act every day but you want the owners of this board to make sure they aren't felon's already??? Come on, this is a hobby for outlaws...if you want something less dangerous maybe you should take up basket weaving.

Aggravated Promotion of Prostitution:

A person commits an offense if he knowingly owns, invests in, or manages a prostitution enterprise that uses two or more prostitutes.

This offense is a felony of the third degree.
Third-degree felony: No more than 10 years or less than 2 years

LAP

[sixxbach]

Originally Posted by lickalotapus

honorable1,

I don't know anything about Max, except what I've read/heard over the years. I'm not defending him or his actions in anyway as I don't know him. I don't know if it's true or false and thankfully I'm not a staff member and don't have to find out. I do however know ck1942 and tcreative2, I've worked with them both over years and just can't believe either one would be involved with Max in any way, expect in an official moderating capacity. I do take issue with people bringing accusations without facts based on rumors and hearsay.


As far as not letting known felons on the board...you're kidding right? ECCIE and no other hobby related board ensures that the members and or advertisers are non-felons. We can dance around what "the hobby" is and isn't, that we pay for "time and companionship" only but at the end of the day that's all bullshit. It's prostitution and that itself is against the law. An agency owner if caught being an agency owner would be a felon, so they are committing a felony act every day but you want the owners of this board to make sure they aren't felon's already??? Come on, this is a hobby for outlaws...if you want something less dangerous maybe you should take up basket weaving.

LAP

but isn't everything really hearsay at the end of the day? How do we really know anything unless we witness firsthand? I just find it tough to believe so many people are crying foul and there is no grain of truth to some, a little, or all of the accusations. Max's biggest enemy seems to be himself. Trust me, I am in no way defending him BUT with my experiences with hardcore criminals and the like, the dangerous ones tend to stay as UTR as possible without bringing attention to themselves. However, there are always exceptions.

totally agree about it being illogical to screen agencies and/or providers. agencies have their place in the hobby without a doubt. there are some people who have more money than time and prefer saving there time when it comes to researching ladies etc for a session. they instill "trust" in an agency. I really call it "blind faith". Agencies don't want to get busted anymore than a hobbyist does. I would just hate to see what happens when the heat is placed on an agency. People crack.

yup, this is the place for outlaws! wouldn't have it any other way!

[honorable1]

I'm actually shocked by your comments. Hobbying isn't something only outlaws and criminals do. It's something normal, law-biding men do everyday, and it's always been that way, even if there's been a criminal element involved in controlling it, or seeking to.

What you call "dancing around" is the difference between breaking the law and not.
If solicitation does not occur during the course of a date then no law is broken, and informed hobbiests all know that.

Your labeling of hobbying as necessarily "prostitution" is not only shocking, but incorrect and false.

One of the reasons why I live in Austin is because the integrity of the judges and DA here permits hobbying to occur as long as the client and girl follow the law, i.e. they don't solicit.

My fear now is that if this board labels itself as a rogue or outlaw operation LE in places like Austin will turn on, and then we will all be at risk. They look the other way because it's what the public wants, and so long as there's no complaints they don't interfere with it, but that can change if they become convinced that venues like this one are condoning violent acts such as assault, trafficking, exploitation, extortion, or even rape.

[sixxbach]

Originally Posted by lickalotapus

honorable1,

I don't know anything about Max, except what I've read/heard over the years. I'm not defending him or his actions in anyway as I don't know him. I don't know if it's true or false and thankfully I'm not a staff member and don't have to find out. I do however know ck1942 and tcreative2, I've worked with them both over years and just can't believe either one would be involved with Max in any way, expect in an official moderating capacity. I do take issue with people bringing accusations without facts based on rumors and hearsay.

As far as not letting known felons on the board...you're kidding right? ECCIE and no other hobby related board ensures that the members and or advertisers are non-felons. We can dance around what "the hobby" is and isn't, that we pay for "time and companionship" only but at the end of the day that's all bullshit. It's prostitution and that itself is against the law. An agency owner if caught being an agency owner would be a felon, so they are committing a felony act every day but you want the owners of this board to make sure they aren't felon's already??? Come on, this is a hobby for outlaws...if you want something less dangerous maybe you should take up basket weaving.

Aggravated Promotion of Prostitution:

A person commits an offense if he knowingly owns, invests in, or manages a prostitution enterprise that uses two or more prostitutes.

This offense is a felony of the third degree.
Third-degree felony: No more than 10 years or less than 2 years

LAP

Originally Posted by honorable1

I'm actually shocked by your comments. Hobbying isn't something only outlaws and criminals do. It's something normal, law-biding men do everyday, and it's always been that way, even if there's been a criminal element involved in controlling it, or seeking to.

What you call "dancing around" is the difference between breaking the law and not.
If solicitation does not occur during the course of a date then no law is broken, and informed hobbiests all know that.

Your labeling of hobbying as necessarily "prostitution" is not only shocking, but incorrect and false.

One of the reasons why I live in Austin is because the integrity of the judges and DA here permits hobbying to occur as long as the client and girl follow the law, i.e. they don't solicit.

My fear now is that if this board labels itself as a rogue or outlaw operation LE in places like Austin will turn on, and then we will all be at risk. They look the other way because it's what the public wants, and so long as there's no complaints they don't interfere with it, but that can change if they become convinced that venues like this one are condoning violent acts such as assault, trafficking, exploitation, extortion, or even rape.

You have got to be kidding?? Do you consider yourself a john? I do. Who labeled this an outlaw organization? Just because I said so or LAP? I didn't know I had that kind of influence.

No one is condoning assaults, trafficking, exploitation, extortion or rape. I thought I had a flair for the dramatic. You want to know who can really boot Max out of hobby land or this board at least??? His own customers. If people did not use his service, girls would not make any money and well, no use for Max.

[Guest062610]

Originally Posted by honorable1

I'm actually shocked by your comments. Hobbying isn't something only outlaws and criminals do. It's something normal, law-biding men do everyday, and it's always been that way, even if there's been a criminal element involved in controlling it, or seeking to.

Law abiding men by definition don't break the law, so they wouldn't be involved in this hobby. Granted I think that prostitution should be legal but until it is, I take the chance of getting caught every time I go play....but of course I only pay for time and companionship

What you call "dancing around" is the difference between breaking the law and not.
If solicitation does not occur during the course of a date then no law is broken, and informed hobbiests all know that.

Is that culpable deniability? You may be able to beat the case, but you won't beat the walk.

Your labeling of hobbying as necessarily "prostitution" is not only shocking, but incorrect and false.

Come on, really?

One of the reasons why I live in Austin is because the integrity of the judges and DA here permits hobbying to occur as long as the client and girl follow the law, i.e. they don't solicit.

That's anywhere in Texas, not just Austin.

My fear now is that if this board labels itself as a rogue or outlaw operation LE in places like Austin will turn on, and then we will all be at risk. They look the other way because it's what the public wants, and so long as there's no complaints they don't interfere with it, but that can change if they become convinced that venues like this one are condoning violent acts such as assault, trafficking, exploitation, extortion, or even rape.

If you think for a second that LE in Austin as well as everywhere else don't know about this site and are monitoring it, you're a fool. Of course as an attorney you should know that allowing people post post ad's, reviews and discussions all fall under the first amendment and unless they actually catch you in the act of breaking the law your okay. For the record I'd never condone any of the violent acts that you referred to Micheal.

See above in red

LAP