New Navy Seal Book Says bin Laden Already Dead

[Whirlaway]

So Jarrett is giving advice, and Obama is listening, on weather conditions, moon phases, asset deployments, and other military planning details, etc ?

[timpage]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

I agree with everything; EXCEPT the record is clear, Obama didn't answer the 3 am call; in fact Obama canceled the Kill OBL raid 3 times on the advice of his political operative Valerie Jarrett; only after Hillary got pissed was Obama forced to follow thru on the raid...It was Hillary who had the cojones and answered the 3 am phone call....

Fact jack.

When is your book coming out Whirly? Seriously, where do you get this shit? Can Hillary count on your support in 2016? Bizarre.

[Whirlaway]

The book is already published stupid.

[cumalot]

Assassination comes to my mind....I'm glad the USA finally nailed his ass....armed or unarmed I could care less.....ijs

[Whirlaway]

Let me help you out...

Obama: Valerie, the military brass are in full agreement, we should start the operation at midnight tonight.

Valerie: What is the weather conditons?

Obama: Low cloud cover

Valerie: Well Barack, I think we should wait for full cloud cover, you know, to cover our Navay Seals better.

Obama: But don't you think the military planners know more about that stuff ?

Valerie: I was never in the military Mr. President, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.

Obama: Ok, Valerie, I call Commander and let him know it's a no go.

[timpage]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

Let me help you out...

Obama: Valerie, the military brass are in full agreement, we should start the operation at midnight tonight.

Valerie: What is the weather conditons?

Obama: Low cloud cover

Valerie: Well Barack, I think we should wait for full cloud cover, you know, to cover our Navay Seals better.

Obama: But don't you think the military planners know more about that stuff ?

Valerie: I was never in the military Mr. President, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.

Obama: Ok, Valerie, I call Commander and let him know it's a no go.

You read it on the internet, right? Must be true. Have you read any of the other accredited accounts of the events leading up to the raid? Like the one Hillary was interviewed for? Where she tells her version of what happened? Like "Manhunt" by Peter Bergen? Fucking moron.

[Doove]

I got $100 that says Karl Rove had as much input on the decision to go into Iraq as Rumsfeld, Powell and Cheney combined.

[i'va biggen]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

According to a new book coming out, bin Laden was dead by the time the Seals got to his room. The official story is they confronted him, unarmed, in his room, which I thought was a bad kill. They had the opportunity to capture him, but killed him instead.

However, this book said they saw bin Laden sticking his head out a window, and when he pulled back, they shot him in the head. They would have had no other choice at that point. If they thought he was going for a weapon, then kill him. I'd support that scenario.

Interesting article. So far, it doesn't seem overly political. Apparently the author mentions that the SEALS don't like Obama much, but they respect his authority. Can't ask for much more than that.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...=all#pagebreak

report I saw on the book said the author was the second man on the stairs.they were 5 steps from the top when a head popped out.the leader shot twice.When they got into the room they found Bin Laudan on the floor with two women wailing.they shot him several times ...

[Guest032516]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

Ok; You think politics should enter into this military decision...

Except that it is NOT a military decision - at least not at the top level. The military may determine what units and weapons to use and specific tactics, but the objectives are laid out by the POTUS. That is the difference between tactical decision making and strategic decision making. Again, as I said before, civilians control in this country, not the military.

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

What kind of valuable "perspective" would Jarrett offer Obama ...please tell me. I would love to hear your opinion on what Jarrett's advice would be that she got Obama to call off the operation 3 times; presumbably after the military planners confirmed OBLs presence, confirmed the assets were in place for a successful mission, confirmed it was OBL at the compound......I can only imagine what Jarrett might say to get Obama to back off 3 times.....please tell us what the scope of her advice might be. Afterall, the decision to get OBL was already made, it was just a matter of planning and execution of the mission right ?

You packed your so-called question with a bunch of presumptions that tilt the argument in your favor before it even starts. Why do I have to presume that the military had confirmed OBL's presence? Why do I have to presume the assets were in place"? Or that OBL was at the compound? Because you said so?

Even if we take your presumptions as true, there could be plenty of reasons to advise at least a temporary delay. For example, delay a while longer until we can evacuate all non-critical embassy personnel from Pakistan in case there are anti-US riots. And arrange to have US military on standby to rescue/evacuate American civilians in Pakistan for the same reason. Or perhaps, wait until after we evacuted Pakistanis that spy on our behalf.

So, I don't have an opinion on Jarrett's advice or what the scope of it might be, because I don't know what it was or what the underlying reasons were. And neither do you. We are operating in the dark, but apparently only I am aware of that.

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

I am curious; what is your political affiliation ?

Go back and this time actually READ what I wrote above, OK? Your question will be answered.

[Whirlaway]

All you said was your not a fan of Obama...that tells us nothing where u are on the political spectrum.

[gnadfly]

Did he say how long the full sized replica of the compound had been built? This shows how long they knew and didn't go. And BHO tried to say they were only about 75% sure OBL was there when he made the "go" decision. What a liar.

Yes, it was a kill only mission, yes they knew for a long time, yes they hung that Pakistani doctor out to twist in the wind, yes we will see the death photos come late October.

[IIFFOFRDB]

Originally Posted by gnadfly

Did he say how long the full sized replica of the compound had been built? This shows how long they knew and didn't go. And BHO tried to say they were only about 75% sure OBL was there when he made the "go" decision. What a liar.

Yes, it was a kill only mission, yes they knew for a long time, yes they hung that Pakistani doctor out to twist in the wind, yes we will see the death photos come late October.

I like the near death photos we are seeing tonight. LOL

[Little Stevie]

I don't post in this forum with the frequency of a Whirly or a COF or their ilk. I'm afraid the DUMB will get on my monitor.

Looks like Rove has hired the Swiftboat Liars to help Smaxey the Sugar Smacks Seal.



Just because it worked on Kerry doesn't mean a lying Seal will sink Obama.

[Munchmasterman]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

I agree with everything; EXCEPT the record is clear, Obama didn't answer the 3 am call; in fact Obama canceled the Kill OBL raid 3 times on the advice of his political operative Valerie Jarrett; only after Hillary got pissed was Obama forced to follow thru on the raid...It was Hillary who had the cojones and answered the 3 am phone call....

Fact jack.

Total bullshit. You known liars reference each other and pass on the lie to the next.
And of course no links.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/29/opinio...html?hpt=hp_c2

"Let's start with the fact that Jarrett, along with the vast majority of White House staffers, only found out about the bin Laden raid after it had happened on May 1, 2011, according to an e-mail sent to CNN by Benjamin Rhodes, deputy national security adviser. Administration officials say that the only staffers at the White House who knew anything about the raid in advance were those with a "need to know" on the national security staff, of which is Jarrett is not a part.
White House spokesman Josh Earnest terms Miniter's claims about the bin Laden operation "an utter fabrication." And in an e-mail to CNN, National Security Council spokesman Tommy Vietor wrote that Miniter's claim that "Secretary Clinton had to talk the President into the raid is completely made up and wrong. The decision to take out Osama bin Laden was made by the President, as many of those involved have said on the record.
"For example, (former Defense) Secretary (Robert) Gates said 'this is one of the most courageous calls -- decisions -- that I think I've ever seen a president make.' (The raid commander) Admiral (William) McRaven said that 'At the end of the day, make no mistake about it, it was the president of the United States that shouldered the burden for this operation, that made the hard decisions, that was instrumental in the planning process, because I pitched every plan to him.' "
Also Jarrett could not have dissuaded Obama from launching an operation to take out bin Laden in January 2011, as Miniter writes, because the planning and rehearsals for such an operation had not begun then. It wasn't until March 14, 2011, that Obama's war Cabinet met to present him the various military options that ranged from a bombing run to a drone strike to a SEAL raid. And the SEALs only began rehearsing the raid in early April 2011. There was no mission to call off until then.
Rather than being indecisive about the raid, Obama ordered the operation against the advice of his defense secretary, who had started working for Nixon's National Security Council when Obama was only 13, and against the advice of Vice President Joe Biden, who was elected to the Senate when Obama was 11. Also advocating a course of action other than the raid was Gen. James "Hoss" Cartwright, Obama's then-No. 2 military adviser.
And rather than scaling back the scope of the bin Laden raid, in fact, it was Obama who ordered more choppers to go on the operation, according to Adm. Mike Mullen, then chairman of the Joint Chiefs of the Staff, who told me, "Obama is the one that put in the Chinook-47s. He is the one that said, 'There is not enough backup.' "
Instead of dithering, Obama was deeply involved in a decision that, after all, had the potential to destroy his presidency if the operation had turned into a fiasco similar to the Iran hostage rescue debacle of 1980. The possibility of a similar debacle was a serious concern of Gates. And Obama was solely responsible for the decision to give the "go" for the operation despite the fact that there was no proof that bin Laden was living in Abbottabad, only a circumstantial case that he was

Will St. Martin's Press, Miniter's publisher, look into the false claims and mistakes in Miniter's new book? Don't hold your breath because St. Martin's Press is also the publisher of the 2011 book "SEAL Target Geronimo: The Inside Story of the Mission to Kill Osama bin Laden," which is littered with apparent falsehoods and yet continues to be marketed as a work of nonfiction."

[Munchmasterman]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

Jarrett is Obama's political advisor; she thought there were political consequences should the mission fail (you remember the Carter fiasco in the desert?). It is documented in this recent book....why would Jarrett be involved in what is essentially a military operation is a more important question, don't you think ?

Who / what are her skills to determine "better timing" factors for a military raid ?


http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/29/ob...lerie-jarrett/

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/29/opinion/bergen-obama-osama-books/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

The above link tells the story of miniter's false claims.
Jarrett didn't find out about the raid until after it occurred.