Visiting Provider Rates Too High?

[lakecat]

Originally Posted by Lovely_Lilianna

Plenty of people will happily pay it. Just because the frequent posters don't like to doesn't mean there isn't a thriving market in that bracket.

This board is not an accurate reflection of the entire hobby scene in KC. My most spendy clients either have accounts and don't post or don't have accounts at all.

Lovely Lilianna, you EDIT - removed reference to previous handle, you bring up a great point that can be lost on here so often.

I would guess that most people think the hobby world consists of street walkers, BP girls and ladies on Eccie or similar “higher end” reputable advertising sites (excluding the $2,000+/hour “call girls” that only politicians can afford) In reality there are so many layers and options in the hobby that I’ve learned about, it’s fascinating and amazing to see. And I don’t claim to know even a fraction of what’s going on, I’ve just been fortunate to become friends with some people who are more experienced and adventurous than I am. There are networks and cliques out there that share information that never sees the light of day, at all ends of the price spectrum. Now it’s true that BP and Eccie advertisers probably cover the vast majority of hook ups that take place, which are in the $150-300/hour range. But guys that want the $300-750+ ladies don’t typically look on Eccie, they have their own sources they work with to find girls and exchange information.

That’s one reason Lilianna and some of the other ladies that charge higher rates catch shit here occasionally, this isn’t really their target market. They’re smart to have a presence on Eccie because it makes sense to use the free advertising aspect of this board to attract the relatively few guys on here that are interested and financially able to play with girls that charge in that range.

I suspect KC isn’t a great market for the $400+ ladies, but that’s just a guess. We do have some outstanding ladies in KC who charge $300+ and they’re still around, so someone is paying them the rates they have every right to charge. I have no idea if there’s a thriving market in that bracket, but I have no doubt that your best clients probably don’t belong to or post on Eccie Lilianna.

Conversely, I see some incredible ladies who also aren’t on this board and they don’t charge close to those rates while providing similar or superior experiences. As with most things, you’ll get out of the hobby what you put into it. If you work at it, treat people respectfully, network and share information with trusted folks, etc. you can reap the rewards….fantastic experiences at reasonable (to me) rates.

[Guest 101012]

Thats Normal.. KC is just behind ...soon to catch up xo

[Guest013121]

If I were to try to price what I think myself and my services are worth, I would say priceless (; However, I try to keep my rates at what I believe to be a fair and affordable amount. I like repeat clientele and my regulars are simply amazing! AND very loyal... I simply offer a phenomenal experience at an affordable rate. I'm just as sweet and sexy as the next girl, i just dont need to charge those outrageous rates to prove it (:

[DallasRain]

I think it is just easier on me to stay one set rate....I will occassionally throw a special rate toward a regular occassionally

[guest010313]

Thank you lake cat



Something that I also think is rarely taken into account the goal each woman has. My goal, which has changed since I began doing this, is to market myself more towards those gentlemen looking for a mistress type arrangement. My overnight and travel rates are more in line with someone charging 150/hr because I would rather do 2 overnights a week than 6 shorter appointments. But I won't get those gentlemen who want consistent long form dates if my hourly rate is low. So my least favorite date is the most expensive per hour and my favorite (five day vacation) is lower than what other ladies in my bracket charge for a single overnight.

[KCBMW]

I agree with just about everyone's comments, however I have experienced on multiple occasions the rate charged was far less that the one posted online including some of our finest locals. In my opinion it never hurts to ask and it should be considered part of the business. I am comfortable paying 200-300 rate for a nice time, but have been crazy enough to pay as much as a grand to meet up with strippers... after drinking way too much!

[Hot to Trot Daphne]

Originally Posted by artax

they have travel costs so are typically a little higher, if you don't want to pay the price stick with the local providers, if people are not going to pay the rate requested, the traveler will either lower her rates or pick another city

+1. Prices will reflect what the market will bear for each individual lady.

[pmdelites]

Originally Posted by KCBMW

Over the last year or so I've talked with a few visiting providers on here and P411 that were posting 350-400 per hour with no half hour option. When I told them the going rate in KC was around 200HH and 250-300H they seemed to get pissed off that I was negotiating with them.

Do you think 350-400 per hour is too much?
What do you consider to be the acceptable rates in KC?

1. 350-400 per hour is too much FOR ME. tho i sometimes schedule 2-3 hr or even overnight consultations. however, the per hour rate is generally in the 150-250 range.

2. since i dont consult much up here in MO, i cannot say what is reasonable and customary and what isnt. acceptable? depends on the buyer.
[p.s., my real life employer charges 150-200/hrs for every hour i spend w/ a client. i get 48/hr before taxes, 401k, etc. they get the rest cos they do the mktg, sales, support, and cover overhead. so, is 150-200/hr too much for my services?? depends on the client.]

Originally Posted by ekim008

A provider is a independent contractor and charges what she thinks her services are worth. The menu is what she is comfortable with. If you don't care for either don't call.

Originally Posted by BigMikeinKC

I've paid it in the past and will in the future. Depends on the lady and my desire.

Sometimes it was worth it and sometimes not.

exactamundo!!!!!
the women charge what they want to charge.
the guys pay what we want to pay.
you pay your money, you take your choices/chances.
sometimes the choices/chances pay off, sometimes they dont. research can help but does not assure it.
in dallas, over the past 2 yrs, my delite ratio is 70-80%. mainly cos i have checked out various women and stick w/ the ones who provide a deliteful consultation.
and there have been some positively reviewed women who just didnt float my boat. and i'm ok w/ that. we cant all bat 1.000 in this game.

Originally Posted by AllThisMeat

Why would a person pay for it? Well, it is kind of about exclusivity, in my opinion. It isn't that their skills are somehow exceedingly greater than someone else's... but the person buying their time does so because he can afford to do so. ... I tell him that I do it because I want time with that particular girl... the rate is just the means to get there. And, if I have the means then I'll do it. ...

agreed, for some guys, it might be about exclusivity.
for other guys, their criteria might include things like TCB, location, attitude/demeanor, bcd skills, post-consultation interactions [like not texting, calling, emailing unless specifically permitted to do so], fees, discounts, etc.

Originally Posted by Lovely_Lilianna

Plenty of people will happily pay it. Just because the frequent posters don't like to doesn't mean there isn't a thriving market in that bracket.

This board is not an accurate reflection of the entire hobby scene in KC. My most spendy clients either have accounts and don't post or don't have accounts at all.

excellent assessment of how to / how not to interpret the limited datapoints in any data set.

Originally Posted by Gemma34

If I were to try to price what I think myself and my services are worth, I would say priceless (; However, I try to keep my rates at what I believe to be a fair and affordable amount. I like repeat clientele and my regulars are simply amazing! AND very loyal... I simply offer a phenomenal experience at an affordable rate. I'm just as sweet and sexy as the next girl, i just dont need to charge those outrageous rates to prove it (:

and an excellent comment from a woman who apparently knows what this sub-culture is generally about.
i'd say that less than 50% of the women who are in this sub-culture have the attitude and knowledge that Lilianna and Gemma do.
in dallas, some of the women i consult with, i met 3-5 yrs ago. they also know what it's all about [no, not the hokey-pokey].
and because they do, i've kept consulting with them. and probably will continue to do so until either they or i screw something up.


so, bottom line, pay what you can afford.
and dont whine/bitch about what others do.
cos the whining/bitching stream you're sending out will come back to you.

and have fun!!!
if it isnt fun, dont repeat it [remember what einstein said about repeating things and expecting a different outcome]

[hotend]

I travel a lot and 400 seems to be getting to be the going rate in some areas like Chicago 450, so KC is behind in that respect, do not get me wrong we love the rates of KC but I was surprised at first. Honestly is depends on the Lady and the number she is comfortable with.

I have concerns just for safety reasons ( health and traffic/ attention ) when rates are so low I do not want to be number ?? I want things safe I do have a wife to come home to, and believe it or not I DO CARE .I do not want to go somewhere unsafe being watched by LE because of traffic. I want to keep my good job and my good wife and still have fun. So Safety/ Privacy is always an issue when I decide. I like the Ladies that do a low volume business and take good care of those they do see with a great time. I would rather see a lady who is more selective who she sees and works from time to time and gives you her all when she does work. I have paid 100 for an ehh time quick time / release and paid 5-7 and had to re coop for a few days because I got everything I wanted and more.
I am happy, a simple man like me, gets the privilege to be with Ladies that are so beautiful and fun, so I pay what makes them smile, and they make me smile. In this Hobby being generous DOES pay.

This is not the hobby for you IF your on a budget. You do get what you pay for. I have heard from MANY ladies how much of a headache is is when men try to barter and haggle prices. If you can not afford it, do not make that your providers problem its yours.

And Ladies do not sell yourself short. I will pay 350 for the Lady that asks for 350 I will pay 500 to the woman that asks for 500. So you have more control then you think. So do not be mad at the providers who charge what they are comfortable with, be mad you did not.

I was recently confronted on this is why I posted. She says but you see ........ and I said YES and she says but she is $$$$$ and you only pay me $$$. My response is that was what you asked from me ???? She was very upset, more at herself then me.

Food for thought. Bargains are great but do some thinking and weigh the risks. My safety, my health, my marriage and my job is priceless, so I just do not risk it. I want fun but not my fun to cost me everything. I want private and low key and quality. And it is here.

[Guest 101012]

Originally Posted by Lovely_Lilianna

Plenty of people will happily pay it. Just because the frequent posters don't like to doesn't mean there isn't a thriving market in that bracket.

This board is not an accurate reflection of the entire hobby scene in KC. My most spendy clients either have accounts and don't post or don't have accounts at all.

I agree 100 % VERY TRUE. xo

[Allie_Kat]

If you're not happy with the higher rates of the traveling prividers, we affordable, hometown hotties are still here for you.

[myfiat]

2/hr is tops for me

[myfiat]

we all have our numbers, don't knock others for theirs

[ss4699]

Originally Posted by hotend

I travel a lot and 400 seems to be getting to be... Honestly is depends on the Lady and the number she is comfortable with.

Not enough time to research that market right now. But I know from a couple of areas on Eccie that 3 and 4 is a VERY high end range. And Texas is not low budget.
I would agree, the lady would have to be comfortable with her price. IF SHE HATES SEX but needs money, she will want more and can be a great actress? Is that the implication? Implication is greed is the motivation? Not sure of your intent HOT. Oh, did do some research on your 20+ posts in the last 2 years. No reviews and if you truely are a high end customer as the implication would be, that lack or reviews is understandable. But there is no way to verify your viability or that of your statements.

Originally Posted by hotend

I have concerns just for safety reasons ( health and traffic/ attention ) when rates are so low I do not want to be number ??....re coop for a few days because I got everything I wanted and more.

Impication - low end providers do not care about safety?

Originally Posted by hotend

I am happy, a simple man like me, gets the privilege to be with Ladies that are so beautiful and fun, so I pay what makes them smile,...

Hot, have seen many smiles in 20+ in the hobby on both ends of the range.

Originally Posted by hotend

This is not the hobby for you IF your on a budget.....

Personal opinion I take it? Again validity of your opinion?

Originally Posted by hotend

You do get what you pay for. I have heard from MANY ladies how much of a headache is is when men try to barter and haggle prices. If you can not afford it, do not make that your providers problem its yours.

There are "gentlemen" who do that but I have a feeling those guys are on both ends of the range. Any HDH opinions on that to be shared?

Originally Posted by hotend

And Ladies do not sell yourself short.

or long?

Originally Posted by hotend

.... So do not be mad at the providers who charge what they are comfortable with, be mad you did not.

Or don't go see them or IM and cry about lowering rates. Is it wrong to check specials HOT? I bargain hunt from Cargo Largo to Goodwill. Is that a bad thing? To go to Kohls and get a suit for $175 on sale instead of $475.

Originally Posted by hotend

I was recently confronted on this is why I posted. She says but you see ........ and I said YES and she says but she is $$$$$ and you only pay me $$$. My response is that was what you asked from me ???? She was very upset, more at herself then me.

Valid but on several levels. Can she wait for one client who will pay that in the current eco stream. 2008 killed a lot of cash in stocks and homes. Is the hobby really just a rich mans world still?
http://youtu.be/WCkOmcIl79s Abba......Rich Mans World....and it probably is.

Originally Posted by hotend

Food for thought. Bargains are great but do some thinking and weigh the risks. My safety, my health, my marriage and my job is priceless, so I just do not risk it. I want fun but not my fun to cost me everything. I want private and low key and quality. And it is here.

and many clients and provider pay that price each year and each day. Perhaps some day the laws of the land will be set to right instead of righteous? But the rich man does not really want it that way does he HOT? You boys would loose control of all the little people in the world!

So if your marriage is really that priceless, why are you paying for sex????? If you are real, the arguement makes sense, assuming the sex in marriage is flawed. Or why else...would you cheat on that lovely lady? Will have to think about that I guess.

Originally Posted by Allie_Kat

If you're not happy with the higher rates of the traveling prividers, we affordable, hometown hotties are still here for you.

I have a lady or two that travels that I saw before in the APSD days and I see ladies when I travel but I agree with AK. There is plenty of reasonable price talent in the KC market. And the reviews prove it time and time again from what I read and rate. I find an new ATF every once and a while too. Lots of KC heat!


http://youtu.be/WCkOmcIl79s

[big country]

I use the gauge When the door shuts do I miss the girl more than the money.