An embryo is not a person

[CJ7]

I'm pro choice ...

those in favor of controlling their on lives and a smaller government, not so much

[Little Stevie]

Originally Posted by Fastcars1966

Choice has never been the issue. Choice is what brought us here. In the case of rape which is the exception not the rule you have a choice to kill the fetus, have it and raise it, or give it up for adoption.

So I guess you can say that I am pro choice, but not pro abortion. With the exception of rape you need to start with a wise choice and except responsibility for the choice. I am tired of the entitlement attitude in this country. You know I should have free health care, free contraceptives, free abortions, and anything else I need for my bad choices.

Heap well-said, Chief Broken Rubber. Seriously, how many families are you willing to destroy if a condom breaks?

Actually you have some good things to say in between the "entitlement crap" and the rest of the "attitude" you been fed.

But in the final analysis, why does it matter if rape is the exception and not the rule if the Religious Zealots like Santorum are going to make you carry the pregnancy to term because they believe it is God's gift?

We have our OWN version of Sharia Law and it is alive and well and even growing right here in the the good ol' USA.

[Fastcars1966]

It is just my opinion, you know we all have them. I took "Chief Broken Rubber." into consideration after deciding that I did not want kids and had the plumbing turned off. So I guess that is one choice that we men can make.

Unlike so many anti abortionist out there I am not going to dictate what someone else should do, but I have seen many women suffer for the decisions that they have made.

[Jackie S]

Abortion is the Law of The Land.

That says a lot about us as a society.

As an old white guy, I am not going to preach to a woman about her reproductive rights. Like many, what we can hope for is what ever her decision, it is based on facts and knowledge about what really happens when a woman decides terminate a pregnancy.

[Fastcars1966]

Originally Posted by Jackie S

Abortion is the Law of The Land.

That says a lot about us as a society.

As an old white guy, I am not going to preach to a woman about her reproductive rights. Like many, what we can hope for is what ever her decision, it is based on facts and knowledge about what really happens when a woman desides to terminate a pregnancy.

+1

[LovingKayla]

I should clarify my position.


Abortion is murder. I will never ever ever ever think otherwise.

You have the right to choose what's right for you. I have no business telling anyone what they should or should not do. I'm not really a shining beacon for goodness.

That being said.... The only opinion I have regarding the broad spectrum is, I'll be DAMNED if the government uses one penny of my money to fund this. You screwed up and if you want to cheat your way out then YOU pay for it. Are there exceptions? Of course. Anyone who says differently is selling something.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by timpage

Oh, wait. The anti-choicers are supposed to care about what happens to these children after they are born?!! I don't think it's occured to them.....

"don't think it's occured [sic] to them" . . . "Antichoicers" [sic]? It's the man and woman who conceived who weren't fucking thinking!

[Sensia]

Kayla you do realize that those pictures images are either photo shopped or a complete misrepresentation of facts? Try reading this. http://www.lifeandlibertyforwomen.or...ut_photos.html

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Little Stevie

Heap well-said, Chief Broken Rubber. Seriously, how many families are you willing to destroy if a condom breaks?

When you were a child, you listened to your mother bitch and bitch over that one time when it happened to her and resulted in you, didn't you?

[LovingKayla]

Originally Posted by timpage

what's better is having the government and the church telling you when and where you'll be having family whether you're ready for it or not. It's not hand-holding, it's more like getting hit over the head or dragged by the feet.....by the government and the pious self-righteous.,

How does the above statement have anything to do with abortion? That is about as far away as you can get.

And stevie it would absolutely figure you'd pick the silliest thing to bitch about. Read the two heathers and then come back and tell me that is some bullshit. Or watch the silent scream as the doctor (sorry, butcher) puts the vacuum up and it begins to tear off little arms and legs.

the embryo state is not what I'm arguing. It's at just 2.5 months the little body is fully formed.

I've personally had to take the plan B pill to prevent conception. PREVENT not abort.

In the Bible it says blood is infused in the embryo at 17 days (look it up). Based on Jesus saying life is in the blood, I'd be willing to give you leeway of 17 days. If you can't get your butt down to the clinic in 17 days, you should be stuck with your mistake.



I have no doubt many photos are Photoshopped. However, From my own personal list of friends, 2 of them are former abortion docs. Even the photo shopped pics are still much more accurate than you want to think.

Originally Posted by Little Stevie

Heap well-said, Chief Broken Rubber. Seriously, how many families are you willing to destroy if a condom breaks?
.

Plan B pill is 50 bucks at any CVS. How is this hard to understand?

[timpage]

Originally Posted by LovingKayla

I should clarify my position.


Abortion is murder. I will never ever ever ever think otherwise.

You have the right to choose what's right for you. I have no business telling anyone what they should or should not do. I'm not really a shining beacon for goodness.

That being said.... The only opinion I have regarding the broad spectrum is, I'll be DAMNED if the government uses one penny of my money to fund this. You screwed up and if you want to cheat your way out then YOU pay for it. Are there exceptions? Of course. Anyone who says differently is selling something.

But, it's not murder as long as you do it within 17 days of conception because you read that Jesus says so in the bible?

This is why it's pointless to argue about shit like this.....I can't win an argument with Jesus.

[Little Stevie]

Originally Posted by Fastcars1966

It is just my opinion, you know we all have them. I took "Chief Broken Rubber." into consideration after deciding that I did not want kids and had the plumbing turned off. So I guess that is one choice that we men can make.

Unlike so many anti abortionist out there I am not going to dictate what someone else should do, but I have seen many women suffer for the decisions that they have made.

Well-said and well thought out! It is a horrible choice to have to make but until one evaluates ALL the circumstances involved, it should remain a choice - one never to be taken lightly.

[LovingKayla]

That's because Jesus wouldn't argue with you.


And yes it is pointless. Pro murder will always be so. I gave on 17 days to try and meet in the middle. It would literally take you getting to watch one at 3 months on to see for yourself. Until you do, you will never understand the horror. Never.

[Little Stevie]

One of the chain emails against abortion used a micro-premie doll from this manufacturer:

http://www.miraclebabydolls.com/micropreemie.html

[Little Stevie]

Originally Posted by LovingKayla

In the Bible it says blood is infused in the embryo at 17 days (look it up). Based on Jesus saying life is in the blood, I'd be willing to give you leeway of 17 days. If you can't get your butt down to the clinic in 17 days, you should be stuck with your mistake.

Please cite chapter(s) and verse(s) as necessary.

Thanks in advance. I knew Santorum's moment of "conception" as being an erection would be hard to support Biblically but apparently the omnipotent Loving Kayla has the answer the entire Congress and Justice System has been looking for so long.

"I'd be willing to give you leeway of 17 days." Have you cleared this 17-day "no-fault/no sin" window with Dr. James Dobson or Pat Robertson or Ralph Reed?