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Old 01-29-2012, 09:22 AM   #16
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Who Pays Income Taxes and How Much?

Tax Year 2009

Percentiles Ranked by AGI

AGI Threshold on Percentiles

Percentage of Federal Personal Income Tax Paid

Top 1% >$343,927 %36.73
Top 5% >$154,643 %58.66
Top 10% >$112,124 %70.47
Top 25% >$66,193 %87.30
Top 50% >$32,396 %97.75
Bottom 50% <$32,396 %2.25




Note: AGI is Adjusted Gross Income
Source: Internal Revenue Service
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Old 01-29-2012, 10:51 AM   #17
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Again, no sourcing of information from BigLoser...........

He doesn't want us fact checking him.
BL: The intellectually dishonest posting the work of the intellectually dishonest...all in the name of Obama.
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Old 01-29-2012, 05:55 PM   #18
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As I pointed out in another thread, the tax-related demagoguery engaged in by and on behalf of Warren Buffett is disingenuous and completely misses the big picture. The imposition of the so-called "Buffett Rule" -- or any similar measure -- would not materially affect Buffett's wealth, and in fact would place him at a competitive advantage vis-a-vis most other very wealthy investors because of the particular type of tax shelter vehicle he utilizes.

Berkshire Hathaway (BRK-B) takes full advantage of the holding company corporate tax exclusion for dividend income upstreamed from partially or wholly-owned subsidiaries.

The issue was explained in some detail several months ago:

http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=274906

(It's a very long thread. For the full explanation, jump forward to posts #156 and 164-168.)

Since Buffett rarely sells anything, and since he plans to leave almost all of his estate to foundations, he will be affected very little by the capital gains tax. And since BRK-B manages to shelter most of its dividend income with the corporate holding company exclusion, he is able to amass fantastic wealth while neither he nor his holding company pay more than a tiny percentage of aggregate wealth accumulation to the Treasury. Nice work if you can get it!

This fantastic "compounding machine" known as Berkshire Hathaway is one of the best tax shelters around. Obviously, if Buffett really wanted to pay more tax, he could simply own about $50 billion in dividend-paying common stock directly, in which case he would have to send the Treasury many times more than the paltry $7 million he says he pays now.

I don't blame Buffett one bit. He's simply taking advantage of perfectly legal provisions of the code, just like everyone else, and he has said in interviews that he will be choosing a "better set of beneficiaries" than the federal government. I agree with him there, too.

It's just that I believe that everyone should know the real story, and not buy all the media's fatuous claims that Warren Buffett is eager to "do his fair share" and pay a lot more tax. It's pure B.S.
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Old 01-29-2012, 08:16 PM   #19
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Buffett's poor secretary (using that word where I work will get you a trip to HR) is reportedly pulling down between $250K and $400K a year. No wonder her effective tax rate is so high. So it should - she's a 1%er that Obama wants to tax more.
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Old 01-30-2012, 05:20 AM   #20
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Come on Big Louie defend your chart. You know damn well it was a bullshit chart and you post it anyway. What a dick.
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Old 01-30-2012, 07:28 AM   #21
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Come on Big Louie defend your chart. You know damn well it was a bullshit chart and you post it anyway. What a dick.
Are you a dick expert?

Read 'Perfectly Legal' by David Kay Johnston if you want to grasp how fuc'd up the tax system is.

He has a follow up book but I can't remember the name.

What Buffet has said is to change the tax system. What he is doing is Perfectly Legal.

What he is saying is to change it, it is not fair.

Just because he is taking advanyage of it does not mean he thinks it right.

Do not mistake the two.
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Old 01-30-2012, 06:37 PM   #22
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WTF, you are a fucking idiot. My response was to BL and his bullshit chart. He knew damn well it was skewed. It show income for the top 20% but then gives taxes paid by the top 1%. It doesn't add up because it only shows total taxes paid as 55%. It is a complete waste and he puts it out there and then refuses to defend it. He is a dick and you are a fucking idiot.
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