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That any of us survived the Chinese/wohon flue is not the topic.
The true mortality rate of Covid has never been accurately determined. . . .it is likely to be somewhat below a tenth of one percent. . . .pretty much like influenza. The Black Death plague of the Middle Ages was something like 30%.
The actual topic of the OP is what any of us remember about the hysterical BULL SHIT we all managed to muddle through.
"They" told me that I wouldn't get sick if I got the so-called vaccine". Then they changed the official definition of what a vaccine actually is and said i'd have to get more shots every couple of months. Then, like the guy in the song who ate the peanut anyway . . .I did get sick.
And too, all that hysteria about masks and "social distancing" were bogus it turns out People went to jail, lost their jobs or professional licensing over issues that, in the end should not have been thought of as crucial.
The dreaded Ivermectin is now an over the counter medication in Texas. . . . .so what was all that about?
As a former health care worker and child of a long practicing MD, I had doubts about the official version of things when n o one was allowed to pursue therapeutic treatments, just the shots.
A generous helping of myth, conspiracy and misremembering. Let's go through it.
Incidentally — who was president when it still said "immunity"? That would be Donald Trump. Make of that what you will.
Therapeutic treatments were absolutely pursued — dexamethasone was identified as effective in hospitalised patients in June 2020, with Paxlovid and Molnupiravir following. The idea that only shots were permitted isn't a grievance, it's just factually wrong.
Getting sick after vaccination isn't proof the vaccine failed. No vaccine offers 100% protection — they reduce severity, hospitalisation and death. That's been the consistent finding across every major dataset.
The healthcare background is noted. Frankly, it makes this harder to excuse, not easier.
OK, forget the "vaccines", I can.ot. But Waite, there is more!
Wearing a mask and standing six feet apart were enforced vigorously. Children, even small children, were abused by masking.
Multi generational family business were destroyed by forced closure while Amazon and other multinational businesses thrived. My gym closed and never reopened.
Elderly patients sick or debilitated by ahealth issues other than Covid died alone as families were excluded from their bedside.
Unnecessary school closures adversely affected the education of a cohort of children and teenagers. Many will never catch up.
The incoming administration threw an astronomical amount of n onexistant money, by the trillions, into the economy creating 9% inflation that still drags on everyone today.
There is so much more than the vaccines bull shit to remember.
OK, forget the "vaccines", I can.ot. But Waite, there is more!
Wearing a mask and standing six feet apart were enforced vigorously. Children, even small children, were abused by masking.
Multi generational family business were destroyed by forced closure while Amazon and other multinational businesses thrived. My gym closed and never reopened.
Elderly patients sick or debilitated by ahealth issues other than Covid died alone as families were excluded from their bedside.
Unnecessary school closures adversely affected the education of a cohort of children and teenagers. Many will never catch up.
The incoming administration threw an astronomical amount of n onexistant money, by the trillions, into the economy creating 9% inflation that still drags on everyone today.
There is so much more than the vaccines bull shit to remember.
A creative pivot away from the vaccine conversation. Couldn't see that coming.
"Still dragging on at 9%" isn't even close. Inflation peaked at 9.1% in June 2022 and was back down to 2.9% when Biden left office. It's currently at 3.3% — courtesy of Iran war energy costs and Trump's tariffs.
Quite the list of grievances. It'd land harder if more of it were accurate.
You're the one that keeps bringing stuff up, and I'm responding to it. Not sure exactly what the topic is. Maybe you could clarify since you keep bringing up the "topic" every time someone shoots down the mythology you're remembering.
This is the. OP and topic starter. I read the topic to be nostlgia.
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Originally Posted by Clay Media
Share your memories of all the insane liberal BS back then.
"Youre killing millions of people if you dont wear a mask!"
And how they didn't trust the vaccine was trump was in office, and that changed the second Biden was inaugurated.
The worst thing about the pandemic was the toilet paper shortage. And bathrooms at gas stations and everywhere else being closed. I pooped in so many parking lots during the pandemic because of this.
My recollections of 2020 are somewhat bitter as Ihadf to postpone hip surgery till the next year and so endured 12 months of severe discomfort and immobility. When I could get the procedure done in 2021, they were only doing out-patient operations. On the table at 9AM and home in bed by 3PM. It was never right and had to be re-done in 2023. . . .it is still not right but the next step is amputation.
So yeah . . .my memories of 2020 are biased towards bitter.
@ ICU "And too, all that hysteria about masks and "social distancing" were bogus" - as a former health professional and child of a long practicing MD you should know what "empirical evidence" is. But here's a reminder: It is characterized by being objective, measurable, and repeatable, setting it apart from subjective opinions or anecdotal stories. So???
The so calle "vaccines" don't work like a true vaccine . . .not by the definition or usage since Loius Pasture.
Social distancing at six feet was made up out of thin air .
Ivermectin is a useful drug suitable for the treatment of medical conditions in Humans.
Covid19 was a serious illness in the obese and elderly, but much less so for younger healthy people. Schools should have remained open and maskless.
Given much of the above, the selective closure of small businesses over large national chains was not called for. It was disruptive to American Society.
The prohibition of public gatherings such as movie theaters, restaurants and church worship. while allowing uncontrolled memorials for George Floyd was discriminatory.
While all of these restrictions were going on, the border with Mexico was completely uncontrolled allowing, even encouraging, untold millions of unknown, unevaluated people from all over the world free entry. Think of the true immunization shots required to go to much of the rest of the world . . .
The so calle "vaccines" don't work like a true vaccine . . .not by the definition or usage since Loius Pasture.
Social distancing at six feet was made up out of thin air .
Ivermectin is a useful drug suitable for the treatment of medical conditions in Humans.
Covid19 was a serious illness in the obese and elderly, but much less so for younger healthy people. Schools should have remained open and maskless.
Given much of the above, the selective closure of small businesses over large national chains was not called for. It was disruptive to American Society.
The prohibition of public gatherings such as movie theaters, restaurants and church worship. while allowing uncontrolled memorials for George Floyd was discriminatory.
While all of these restrictions were going on, the border with Mexico was completely uncontrolled allowing, even encouraging, untold millions of unknown, unevaluated people from all over the world free entry. Think of the true immunization shots required to go to much of the rest of the world . . .
What a trip down memory lane. Quite the journey — just not to anywhere that exists.
I remember ivermectin being studied — relentlessly. The TOGETHER trial in Brazil. The ACTIV-6 trial across 93 US sites. A Cochrane meta-analysis of 11 separate trials. Every single one landed in the same place: no meaningful benefit for COVID-19 patients. It's a genuinely useful antiparasitic. It just doesn't work for this particular virus — which is what the science said, repeatedly, until people got tired of hearing it.
I remember the vaccine argument too. No vaccine in the entire history of medicine has ever provided 100% immunity — not the flu shot, not the MMR, not a single one. Pasteur himself never claimed otherwise. The position that "it's not a real vaccine because it doesn't guarantee immunity" would disqualify every vaccine ever developed. Quite the standard to invent retroactively.
I remember the border claims too. Border encounters were tracked, recorded and published publicly throughout 2020 and 2021. "Completely uncontrolled" is a vivid characterization rather than a fact. Title 42 — a public health order — was used to expel over two million people during this period. The data was always there. It just wasn't especially useful to the argument being made.
What I remember most vividly is a novel virus with no established treatment, no vaccine and an unknown mortality rate hitting the entire world at once. Every major economy locked down. Every major economy made mistakes. Recasting that as deliberate conspiracy rather than an unprecedented and genuinely terrifying public health emergency requires a truly heroic effort to ignore the obvious.
The nostalgia is selective. The memory lives somewhere between wishful thinking and fiction. Neither is particularly close to what actually happened.
Whatever . . .Ivermectin is now available to the public over the counter.
Most of the rest of the pandemic hysteria was balderdash.
"They" said we should not hold church services as it could be a Covid spreader event . . .and held uncontrolled, non distanced, unmasked mss memorials for a habitual criminal.
Liquor stores were allowed to remain open, but my YMCA was closed (it has never reopened).
Whatever . . .Ivermectin is now available to the public over the counter.
Most of the rest of the pandemic hysteria was balderdash.
"They" said we should not hold church services as it could be a Covid spreader event . . .and held uncontrolled, non distanced, unmasked mss memorials for a habitual criminal.
Liquor stores were allowed to remain open, but my YMCA was closed (it has never reopened).
What a spectacular little grievance anthology: the YMCA, church services, Floyd memorials, liquor stores. An almost artisanal collection of personal irritations, carefully arranged and presented as though “things I didn’t like” is a synonym for systemic oppression. It’s less an argument than a tantrum with bullet points.
And of course ivermectin being sold over the counter in Texas is offered up as the big gotcha, because apparently “available for purchase” is now the gold standard for medical efficacy. By that logic, Tylenol cures COVID, melatonin cures COVID, and maybe a pack of antacids deserves FDA emergency authorization too. Unfortunately for this theory, drug efficacy is not determined by shelf placement. It’s determined by evidence, which is precisely where this whole bit falls apart. The TOGETHER trial, ACTIV-6, and a Cochrane review of 11 studies all arrived at the same conclusion: no meaningful benefit for COVID patients. But why let repeated clinical failure get in the way of a pharmacy-aisle revelation?
As for church gatherings, the objection was never prayer, despite the persecution cosplay. The problem was enclosed spaces, poor ventilation, large congregations, prolonged exposure, loud speaking and singing, and a participant pool skewing older — in other words, an almost comically efficient setup for viral spread. Several major early superspreader events were tied to church services. That wasn’t anti-religious bias. That was epidemiology rudely refusing to care about anyone’s persecution complex.
The Floyd memorials were outdoors, which matters to anyone with even a passing relationship to reality. Outdoor transmission was consistently much lower than indoor transmission throughout the pandemic. That distinction was explained endlessly, in plain English, for years, and yet here it is still being treated like some unresolved mystery. It wasn’t hypocrisy. It was basic respiratory science. The fact that this remains offensive to some people is not actually an argument against aerosol dynamics.
The YMCA closure was inconvenient, yes. It was also entirely predictable. Gyms are enclosed, high-exertion, high-respiratory-output environments — essentially ideal conditions for spreading a respiratory virus. That wasn’t discrimination. It was cause and effect, which I realize is much less emotionally satisfying than pretending cardio equipment was targeted by a political conspiracy.
And that’s the threadbare core of this whole performance: a list of closures, annoyances, and wounded feelings inflated into a grand theory of selective oppression. It’s not serious. It’s not rigorous. It’s not even especially coherent. It’s just someone confusing personal inconvenience with historical injustice and hoping nobody notices the difference.
I guess my memories aren't filled with all the injustices yours are.
I can’t believe how much bandwidth we’ve spent rehashing the same old anti-vaxx lunacy from the same old troll. I guarantee you once this thread is closed, the OP will post another when he reappears as Turd Ferguson, or Humpty Dumpty or any of his multiple bandles.
It does seem like at least one of our local MAGAs is ready to argue bleach and veterinary meds all day if he get a chance.
"They" told me that I wouldn't get sick if I got the so-called vaccine". Then they changed the official definition of what a vaccine actually is and said i'd have to get more shots every couple of months. Then, like the guy in the song who ate the peanut anyway . . .I did get sick.
And too, all that hysteria about masks and "social distancing" were bogus it turns out People went to jail, lost their jobs or professional licensing over issues that, in the end should not have been thought of as crucial.
The dreaded Ivermectin is now an over the counter medication in Texas. . . . .so what was all that about?
As a former health care worker and child of a long practicing MD, I had doubts about the official version of things when n o one was allowed to pursue therapeutic treatments, just the shots.
Well, if you are/were truly in the medical field, you know how dangerous it is to not use specifics. Generalizations kill.
So please, tell us who this "They" are?
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Originally Posted by pxmcc
^^ but you're alive, so there's that..
True Dat.
....unless it is a Bot.
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Originally Posted by ICU 812
That any of us survived the Chinese/wohon flue is not the topic.
The true mortality rate of Covid has never been accurately determined. . . .it is likely to be somewhat below a tenth of one percent. . . .pretty much like influenza. The Black Death plague of the Middle Ages was something like 30%.
The actual topic of the OP is what any of us remember about the hysterical BULL SHIT we all managed to muddle through.
Can you give us a vetted medical journal source from where you are drawing your opinions from? Because, they are just a opinions. Being a person from the medical field, as you state, you know it is very wise to state facts so as not to create a panic just speculating with opinion.
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Originally Posted by ICU 812
OK, forget the "vaccines", I can.ot. But Waite, there is more!
Wearing a mask and standing six feet apart were enforced vigorously. Children, even small children, were abused by masking.
Multi generational family business were destroyed by forced closure while Amazon and other multinational businesses thrived. My gym closed and never reopened.
Elderly patients sick or debilitated by ahealth issues other than Covid died alone as families were excluded from their bedside.
Unnecessary school closures adversely affected the education of a cohort of children and teenagers. Many will never catch up.
The incoming administration threw an astronomical amount of n onexistant money, by the trillions, into the economy creating 9% inflation that still drags on everyone today.
There is so much more than the vaccines bull shit to remember.
The way if was handled, and most any other epidemic, can always be better. At the time and definitely in hindsight.
That stated, the results of what was done can definitely be proven in that lives were saved. Unfortunately politics gave a clear picture to that with the mortality tables from Red and Blue areas, with the former having the highest death toll that was attributed to Covid.
Regardless of your *opinions* the stats show the bottom line of lives saved. And with better procedures, even more lives could have been untouched by death. But the rhetoric of just one guy in office that disseminated multiple statements with absolutely no basis in fact caused a ripple affect that killed alot of people doing their "own research". True medical people know that caused needless lifes.
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Originally Posted by Yssup Rider
And what was your solution?
DJT 2.0
Nuff said
OH YR! You had to go there. You know maggies just like to toss garbage and run off before people call them out to produce good, documented sources to support their BS statements.
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Originally Posted by ICU 812
The so calle "vaccines" don't work like a true vaccine . . .not by the definition or usage since Loius Pasture.
Social distancing at six feet was made up out of thin air .
Ivermectin is a useful drug suitable for the treatment of medical conditions in Humans.
Covid19 was a serious illness in the obese and elderly, but much less so for younger healthy people. Schools should have remained open and maskless.
Given much of the above, the selective closure of small businesses over large national chains was not called for. It was disruptive to American Society.
The prohibition of public gatherings such as movie theaters, restaurants and church worship. while allowing uncontrolled memorials for George Floyd was discriminatory.
While all of these restrictions were going on, the border with Mexico was completely uncontrolled allowing, even encouraging, untold millions of unknown, unevaluated people from all over the world free entry. Think of the true immunization shots required to go to much of the rest of the world . . .
Pandemics/epidemics ARE disruptive to ANY society.
That is the nature of them.
I'm glad Bush started a department to prepare for such and am also happy that Obama saw the importance of having it and supported it to.
Experts have all been claiming that we have been over due for another situation like the Spanish flu. And by god it came.
I thank my grandmother for pulling me aside many decades ago and telling me about that pandemic and giving a first hand account of it.
I'm going to guess that alot of y'all here did not have that kind of input on what happens when this kind of shit hits the fan.
I always took that to heart because it had to be bad for her to tell a little kid about it.
And it doesn't matter what type of shot is prescribed, NO VACCINATION IS 100% SAFE. People in the medical field know this. All about lowering the probability of death.
