Putin Offers Peace in Exchange for Control of Donbas

[Snafu412]

Originally Posted by Devo

I agree, lets let the war continue forever, and let thousands of more innocents die over land.

Very good idea, continous war like 1984.

Trump should just walk away and do nothing.

That's right trump should walk away and do nothing!
He needs to get back to explaining why he dosen 't want to release the epistine files
Its not trump or putins decision to make!
Its Zelenskys,
You remember him, the man that was conspicuously absent! The man whos country was invaded!
The man who's country's children were kidnapped by the thousands!
But you all will say anything so that trump can have a victory.

[victoryformation]

Originally Posted by Snafu412

That's right trump should walk away and do nothing!
He needs to get back to explaining why he dosen 't want to release the epistine files
Its not trump or putins decision to make!
Its Zelenskys,
You remember him, the man that was conspicuously absent! The man whos country was invaded!
The man who's country's children were kidnapped by the thousands!
But you all will say anything so that trump can have a victory.

It's beginning to look like the release of the Epstein files is a lost cause!
Especially, the passenger manifests on the various flights on the Lolita Express to Lolita Island!
For some reason ... the names of those passengers are being assiduously protected!
By whom?
Bondi/Patel/Blanche ... are in full-blown stonewalling mode!
(There's gotta be some bigtime backchanneling going on ... on behalf of the "protectees"!)
Ya think?
(There's gotta be some Very, Very Important People on that passenger list!)
Ya think?
(Prince Andrew for starters!)
IT, ain't never gunna see the light of day!

[Snafu412]

Originally Posted by victoryformation

It's beginning to look like the release of the Epstein files is a lost cause!
Especially, the passenger manifests on the various flights on the Lolita Express to Lolita Island!
For some reason ... the names of those passengers are being assiduously protected!
By whom?

Yeah I know but you gotta shove it down thier throats at every opportunity!
Bondi/Patel/Blanche ... are in full-blown stonewalling mode!
(There's gotta be some bigtime backchanneling going on ... on behalf of the "protectees"!)
Ya think?
(There's gotta be some Very, Very Important People on that passenger list!)
Ya think?
IT, ain't never gunna see the light of day!

Heres Bondi, Blanche, and cockeyed cash!

[Salty Again]

... Trump, the other World Leaders, and Putin
all working on a peaceful solution.

... WINNING! ... ... ...

#### Salty

[Jacuzzme]

These guys don’t want a peaceful resolution, never have. They’re more than happy to see tens of thousands slaughtered if they can pretend it’s Trump’s fault.

[HDGristle]

Or they just don't want to see appeasement

[tommy156]

Originally Posted by Charley3

Amazes me what the trump worshippers take is on this. Your worshipped hero tells you that a sovereign nation should allow a dictator to take some of their land. In Europe!!

It's truly unbelievable. These fools only want Vladdy daddy and trump to come out unscathed, while the people of Ukraine are left in the ashes.

Not only should Putin NOT get a single inch of Ukrainian territory, he should be sent to prison for the rest of his life for his myriad war crimes. That's how the war should end. Putin gets nothing but a lifetime jail sentence.

He was always the invader, and he could have ended this war at any point over the past 3½ years.

MAGA thinks he should be rewarded or something. Un-fucking-real.

[Jacuzzme]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

Or they just don't want to see appeasement

Na dude, you guy’s and those like you attitudes are responsible for unimaginable suffering. This is the same outcome that would’ve happened if they called a ceasefire 10 minutes in, but y’all preferred feeding a hundred thousand men into a fucking meat grinder first. I’m sure the wives and mothers will be thankful for their husband’s and son’s guts splattered all over Eastern Europe to enrich a bunch of politicians and stroke the egos of internet tough guys.

[eyecu2]

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

Na dude, you guy’s and those like you attitudes are responsible for unimaginable suffering.

But it's ok to watch AMERICANs suffer under this administration here at home?

Yeaeah sure...... Imma go ahead an vote no!

The feckless and careless attitudes of conservatives is- we like wars- because they allow us to show off how much firepower we have- unless those wars are in other countries- where we aren't on the front lines. Like Reagan said- safety through strength, trust but verify and of course- Then it's poor boo-hoo bubbling lips and see how bad these people who defend themselves against a superpower are being obliterated?!!! A core tenet of conservative ideology is the belief in a strong national defense. This belief is rooted in the understanding that a powerful military is essential for protecting the nation from foreign threats and maintaining peace and stability around the world! FOREIGN THREATS AND MAINTAINING PEACE.

It's in the US's interest to stop all this from happening but also follow the core tenants of a democratically elected leader. It's the whole reason we were in Vietnam and fought in many other wars- but saying- ahh this time it's different!

The only difference is we are showing our hand at being weak and NOT standing up for our beliefs and saying to those countries being oppressed that we prefer our war veterans not getting caught behind lines, and the countries we support not getting the shit blown out of them. "Sorry Charlie- you lose- we are taking our ball to go home."

I mean if you truly gave a shit- you'd enable and suggest that Ukraine gets to fight fire with fire- air defense and offense. A-10's and Apaches- Not just ground battles & rockets that destroy everything. This is WWI and II bullshit. Also- why isn't Putin being called out for leveling cities and civilian sites alone. That's where the horror story of dead ppl and carnage really lays. Why is our POTUS snuggled up with the guy who is literally Hannibal the Carthage barbarian in modern day clothes. This is fucked 3 ways to Sunday when you think about it. Why would you support a guy who is a known liar, a known manipulator, and a known KGB trained operative? Why would you start negotiating with him to suggest that lands be traded in a peace deal that isn't enforceable except for security guarantees which are totally unenforceable. Not only that, but would be an open invitation to have the US join into the next skirmish. IDIOTIC.

Or within the continental US- by kicking AMERICANS off of medicaid- because "we think you're ok to roll that wheelchair grandma out to the fields and pick some of those veggies before they rot, so you can afford to get that insulin"

And while we are at it- I suppose you are fine with our domestic national guard destroying the lives of people less fortunate than others - who are homeless. Watching them drag someone's entire life and belongings into a garbage truck- sayanara and thanks for playing DJTs game of "fuck-you, because!".

Both are wars- and both end up with people dying- just one is by arms and the other is by government. "were here to serve and protect-"


According to foreign leaders in the UK that are supporting Ukraine, they are ALL saying that it is wrong for any country to be foreced to cede any territory by force when they are being occupied by another country without conceding directly. ERGO- no third party or Tri-lateral agreements that suggest ceding properties and land without all parties agreeing. Even Daddy Vlad said he wouldn't be held to such an agreement if it meant leaving anything he wanted on the table. You REd Hats are a bunch of hypocrites.

[Jacuzzme]

Riiiiiight. Cleaning up American streets of addi*** and mental patients is exactly the same thing as war. And yeah, if they’re camped out on the street they should gtfo or be thrown out. This isn’t Mogadishu.

We shouldn’t be involved in their war AT ALL, other than advocating for them to peace the fuck up.

[HDGristle]

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

Na dude, you guy’s and those like you attitudes are responsible for unimaginable suffering. This is the same outcome that would’ve happened if they called a ceasefire 10 minutes in, but y’all preferred feeding a hundred thousand men into a fucking meat grinder first. I’m sure the wives and mothers will be thankful for their husband’s and son’s guts splattered all over Eastern Europe to enrich a bunch of politicians and stroke the egos of internet tough guys.

If you're pro-appeasement just say it. No need to try to make it personal. I can do that myself by citing that appeasement would be akin to spitting on the graves of those that fought and died in protection of their country and those hit by Russian air attacks, including my friends and colleagues.

Putin's war has unleashed many atrocities and Russia hasn't paid the price yet. And they certainly won't under Trump.

[eyecu2]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

If you're pro-appeasement just say it. No need to try to make it personal. I can do that myself by citing that appeasement would be akin to spitting on the graves of those that fought and died in protection of their country and those hit by Russian air attacks, including my friends and colleagues.

Putin's war has unleashed many atrocities and Russia hasn't paid the price yet. And they certainly won't under Trump.

Not only would they NOT pay ANY price, they would get rewarded with the entire Dombas region and all the other lands they've already decided to take illegally. I realize at some point, the cheek will be turned- but not at the cost of giving up your soverign state and all that is within it. Hell- Trump has already strong-armed Zelensky into mineral rights- imagine what he's going to ask from him over top of the demands that Vlad has stated he wants. Trump will say-..."Where's my pound of flesh too, since I'm the worlds dealmaker".

[Devo]

I have watched a few indepent documentaries about Donbas, they come up on the Torrent sites and aren't widely circulated in the US.

They interviewed people in all regions, but the people in the Donbas region, that speak Russian, pretty much stated that they think they are Russian, and want to go back to Russian Territoy.

I'd say, let Russia have the Russian speaking areas, and split the pot on language, what speaks Russian is Russia and where they speak Ukrainian, is Ukraine.

I could draw the line for PA to be split in two, much in the same manner, Western PA, and Eastern PA, should be two states, divide us by which football team you support, and chop it up.

It would work for me.

[Devo]

Or, let the regions vote to see what country they choose.

[tommy156]

Except that the Donbas region is part of Ukraine. If people there want to be part of Russia, let them move to Russia.

Poor argument. Who gives a fuck if they want to be part of Russia? They're not. And what do we always tell people who want to live in another country?

"Donbas: love it or leave it".