Fuck the State Attorney Generals. Obamacare upheld. Fuck the Republicans

[Jackie S]

Originally Posted by Chung Tran

https://www.motherjones.com/politics...macare-upheld/

Trump (a.k.a, Mr. ''Repeal and replace'') stacked the Supreme Court, and got fucked. He considered his 3 appointees to be his lasting legacy. FAIL.

Fuck smirking Ken Paxton.

Chill out, Pol Pot.

[Chung Tran]

Originally Posted by Jackie S

Chill out, Pol Pot.

Racist.

Your boy Trump not only lost the SC vote, he admitted last night, on Hannity, that he lost the election.

His Qanon friend will continue to bray that he won, ''stop the steal''. Mike Lindell will continue to worship Trump, and dispense pillows to him.

[1blackman1]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Almost $1.00 out of every $5.00 spent in America is spent on health care. That's nuts. Yes, creating competition would be one way to put some sanity back into the system.

That was the point of the public option. Allowing people to buy Medicaid or Medicare plans in order to drive down costs. The health insurers and republicans rebelled against that idea claiming he Health care industry wouldn’t be able to be competitive with govt plans (which was false). Republicans arent really for competition or open markets.

[GastonGlock]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

That was the point of the public option. Allowing people to buy Medicaid or Medicare plans in order to drive down costs. The health insurers and republicans rebelled against that idea claiming he Health care industry wouldn’t be able to be competitive with govt plans (which was false). Republicans arent really for competition or open markets.

Maybe my memory is fuzzy, but I remember that portion being a bipartisan talking point - the healthcare lobby has a lot of people on both sides in their pockets. I specifically remember someone arguing how it would negatively impact hospitals in disadvantaged urban neighborhoods. The general republican objection was "this shit costs too much" "this will raise taxes too much" and "stop trying to federalize private business". I think it was only Bernie and a small clutch of other who wanted single payer.

[Jacuzzme]

Obamacare plans are shitty and overpriced. You’re much better off with an HSA and a cheap catastrophic plan.

The idea of burning down a good system was dumb from the outset. They could’ve had a 1 page bill that raised income limits for Medicaid, added a sliding income/cost scale and got the people in the 35-75k range covered. Everyone else can afford their own or are already getting assistance. Even if they had to add a small tax across the board to pay for it, I doubt many people would have complained. Instead they fucked up the healthcare for millions of people who were perfectly happy with what they had.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

That was the point of the public option. Allowing people to buy Medicaid or Medicare plans in order to drive down costs. The health insurers and republicans rebelled against that idea claiming he Health care industry wouldn’t be able to be competitive with govt plans (which was false).

I don't know much about the public option. But the system is screwed up and the Affordable Care Act didn't fix it. The government alone, through Medicare, Medicaid, veteran's health care, etc, spent 5.6% of GDP on healthcare in 2019. Total spending on healthcare was 17.7% of GDP. There are a number of developed countries that spend less than 5.6% of GDP (less than what our government expenditures alone are) and that have better healthcare outcomes than we do. In terms of total expenditures, the closest country is Switzerland, and they only spend 12% of GDP.

Life expectancy in the USA is 80.7 years. We're 40th in the world, behind countries like Turkey, Panama, Colombia, Peru and Costa Rica. Now maybe you can attribute part of that to obesity and a mind set that thinks vaccines kill you. But a lot of it is because of a healthcare system that delivers poor outcomes at outrageous costs. The rent seekers, crony capitalists, and monopolists make out like bandits. The politicians and bureaucrats don't give a fuck. The rest of us suffer.

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

Republicans arent really for competition or open markets.

This one is.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by GastonGlock

I like to use the analogy that the insurance is less like insurance and more like having a costco membership, where members pay the real price, and non-members pay the punishment price in order to coerce people to become members.

Absolutely. You go to a hospital without insurance and they'll charge you several times what they charge the insurance company.

[1blackman1]

Originally Posted by Tiny

I don't know much about the public option. But the system is screwed up and the Affordable Care Act didn't fix it. The government alone, through Medicare, Medicaid, veteran's health care, etc, spent 5.6% of GDP on healthcare in 2019. Total spending on healthcare was 17.7% of GDP. There are a number of developed countries that spend less than 5.6% of GDP (less than what our government expenditures alone are) and that have better healthcare outcomes than we do. In terms of total expenditures, the closest country is Switzerland, and they only spend 12% of GDP.

Life expectancy in the USA is 80.7 years. We're 40th in the world, behind countries like Turkey, Panama, Colombia, Peru and Costa Rica. Now maybe you can attribute part of that to obesity and a mind set that thinks vaccines kill you. But a lot of it is because of a healthcare system that delivers poor outcomes at outrageous costs. The rent seekers, crony capitalists, and monopolists make out like bandits. The politicians and bureaucrats don't give a fuck. The rest of us suffer.



This one is.

You may vote Republican but you aren’t one.

[Chung Tran]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

You may vote Republican but you aren’t one.

Not a 21st Century Republican, at least. Ed Brooke? Jacob Javitz?

Those 1970's Republicans are hardcore Democrats by the standard of today.

[1blackman1]

Originally Posted by GastonGlock

Maybe my memory is fuzzy, but I remember that portion being a bipartisan talking point - the healthcare lobby has a lot of people on both sides in their pockets. I specifically remember someone arguing how it would negatively impact hospitals in disadvantaged urban neighborhoods. The general republican objection was "this shit costs too much" "this will raise taxes too much" and "stop trying to federalize private business". I think it was only Bernie and a small clutch of other who wanted single payer.

I didn’t say single payor. I said public option. Two totally different concepts. One is Medicare for all. The other is offering a Medicaid/Medicare plan for sale on the open market irrespective of age or income.

In the latter one can opt to purchase medi(whatever) instead of a policy from a private insurer at whatever price the govt sets the policy at. Republicans claimed this would adversely effect the market because the prices the govt could leverage through size would be lower than BCBS so the insurer would not be able to compete.

They as I said, don’t believe in open markets.

[Chung Tran]

and they never have believed in open markets. Or freedom for ALL. Or balanced budgets.

They talk a lot of rubbish.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by Chung Tran

and they never have believed in open markets. Or freedom for ALL. Or balanced budgets.

They talk a lot of rubbish.

But the Democrats do?

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by Chung Tran

and they never have believed in open markets. Or freedom for ALL. Or balanced budgets.

They talk a lot of rubbish.

Originally Posted by bambino

But the Democrats do?

which democrats are we talking about?

there's a bunch of different flavor democrats.

blue dog democrats
champange democrats
bourbon democrats
new left democrats
new new left democrats
bernie (neo left) democrats
democratic socialist democrats

did i miss any other democrat flavors?