Is The Grand Ole Party Dead

[offshoredrilling]

Originally Posted by offshoredrilling

Its been in slow death for a long time now

did not want RR, got stuck with 2x
worked hard to KILL the Tea Party within
Did not want Trump yet GOP voters in primary put in 2X
GOP voters keep asking for..., GOP sits licking its own balls all is ok

Originally Posted by Tiny

Trump is a cancer on the Republican Party

Trump was one of the cures GOP will not take

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by nevergaveitathought

people come to washington claiming to want to make a difference and change washington

but they never do

but washington has now been changed for the first time in a long time

who did it? trump

the liars and scammers and their news media and corporate fellow travelers have been exposed

the American people will no longer listen to these fools and self servers

biden however has immediately reverted to type

That's right Trump put them all in Damage control. They Eat, Drink and sleep Trump, now that's success.

[GastonGlock]

Originally Posted by nevergaveitathought

people come to washington claiming to want to make a difference and change washington

Ever since the concept of representatives and politicians formed, there have always been con-men and shysters promising to march to the capitol or big city and speak on his hometown's behalf if they would support him financially in his journey, and they always just leave town with the money and never come back.

Before we had politicians, we had shaman, oracles, and other holy men who spoke to the gods on your behalf. They're all the same men - they want to do nothing but control people and take their wealth.

[Ripmany]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Trump is a cancer on the Republican Party

The republican party fuck them self we could had the Senate however there refuse to past the $2000 stimulus bill there for loses in GA because demcrocrat all bribe the gorgaian with $2000.

[1blackman1]

Originally Posted by nevergaveitathought

people come to washington claiming to want to make a difference and change washington

but they never do

but washington has now been changed for the first time in a long time

who did it? trump

the liars and scammers and their news media and corporate fellow travelers have been exposed

the American people will no longer listen to these fools and self servers

biden however has immediately reverted to type

Your belief Trump changed Washington or that he’s not just another con man shows there’s a sucker born every minute.

[Lapdog]

Some people can call it "change" if they want. I prefer the term "fucked things up."

[GastonGlock]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

Your belief Trump changed Washington or that he’s not just another con man shows there’s a sucker born every minute.

Originally Posted by Lapdog

Some people can call it "change" if they want. I prefer the term "fucked things up."

Did he change it? I think so. The establishment seems to be working overtime to claw control back.

Is he a con man? Oh yeah. But not all con men are on the same team. Additionally, some con men are, in fact, on the same team and pretend they aren't.

[1blackman1]

Originally Posted by GastonGlock

Did he change it? I think so. The establishment seems to be working overtime to claw control back.

Is he a con man? Oh yeah. But not all con men are on the same team. Additionally, some con men are, in fact, on the same team and pretend they aren't.

Maybe I was unclear regarding changing Washington. He did business no different than anyone else in Washington. From my view he just threw out the norms and did things other politicians wouldn’t (ask a foreign power to get dirt on his political opponent, deny a peaceful transition of power, put the worst kinda sycophants in positions throughout govt, lie all the time and hire people and have them lie all the time, etc). All change is not good. In fact I say his kind of change is bad or terrible.

I would absolutely disagree that he changed govt for the better. I’m sure if I think really hard I can come up with a few policies we agree on but they’d be far and apart.

Now, anyone that thinks or though lt he was fighting for them, is foolish. He was the worst kind of con man. He was dishonest from start to finish and never even seemed to consider telling the truth. Instead, he would lie, then lie again, then lie about lying and tell his original lie. He lied so much he started to believe his lies. And he had state media to pass his lies on and reinforce them. That’s what made his dangerous. Most liars get called out for lying and the lie becomes obvious. Or even better they get shamed into be somewhat truthful. He’s so particularly amoral that being shamed into honesty is a foreign concept. And with backers for his lies he never needed to bother to recant. Shit he lied about about saying things he was recorded say, he lied about the meanings of things he said, he lied about paying women to stay mum about affairs. And when it was clear he was caught in the lie state media stepped in to try to provide cover. The dude was terrible.

[GastonGlock]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

Now, anyone that thinks or though lt he was fighting for them, is foolish. He was the worst kind of con man. He was dishonest from start to finish and never even seemed to consider telling the truth. Instead, he would lie, then lie again, then lie about lying and tell his original lie. He lied so much he started to believe his lies. And he had state media to pass his lies on and reinforce them. That’s what made his dangerous. Most liars get called out for lying and the lie becomes obvious. Or even better they get shamed into be somewhat truthful. He’s so particularly amoral that being shamed into honesty is a foreign concept. And with backers for his lies he never needed to bother to recant. Shit he lied about about saying things he was recorded say, he lied about the meanings of things he said, he lied about paying women to stay mum about affairs. And when it was clear he was caught in the lie state media stepped in to try to provide cover. The dude was terrible.

Methinks not enough people are reading Bukowski in school...

[HedonistForever]

The Republican Party should do what any losing party should do. See what the new people in power are doing, find the things that many of the people who put them into power are unhappy about and craft your principal beliefs with a bit of compromise and find somebody whose personality is accepted by most people even if you don't like a particular proposal from that person. When you hate a person before they even explain what they stand for, you start from a losing perspective.


The question is not, can the GOP restore itself to power, it is, can they do what I just outlined and since it is theoretically possible, it can happen, but will it?


I threw this out before. How many people who voted for Joe Biden, a mere week into his Presidency, are saying to themselves after a single week in office, "I didn't vote for that". It should be easy since no President in history has made this many EO's right out of the box. It is easy to see where Joe Biden is heading. So while you may be pleased that you dispatched Trump, are you pleased at where Biden is heading?



If I were in a position of rebuilding the Republican party, I would find the answer to that question first. Then sit back and watch Democrats eat themselves alive as I predict they will surely do. Anybody that thinks the Democrat party will now and forever more hold this power, is kidding themselves just like those that said the ascendance of Barack Obama meant the death of the Republican Party.

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

Maybe I was unclear regarding changing Washington. He did business no different than anyone else in Washington. From my view he just threw out the norms and did things other politicians wouldn’t (ask a foreign power to get dirt on his political opponent, deny a peaceful transition of power, put the worst kinda sycophants in positions throughout govt, lie all the time and hire people and have them lie all the time, etc). All change is not good. In fact I say his kind of change is bad or terrible.

I would absolutely disagree that he changed govt for the better. I’m sure if I think really hard I can come up with a few policies we agree on but they’d be far and apart.

Now, anyone that thinks or though lt he was fighting for them, is foolish. He was the worst kind of con man. He was dishonest from start to finish and never even seemed to consider telling the truth. Instead, he would lie, then lie again, then lie about lying and tell his original lie. He lied so much he started to believe his lies. And he had state media to pass his lies on and reinforce them. That’s what made his dangerous. Most liars get called out for lying and the lie becomes obvious. Or even better they get shamed into be somewhat truthful. He’s so particularly amoral that being shamed into honesty is a foreign concept. And with backers for his lies he never needed to bother to recant. Shit he lied about about saying things he was recorded say, he lied about the meanings of things he said, he lied about paying women to stay mum about affairs. And when it was clear he was caught in the lie state media stepped in to try to provide cover. The dude was terrible.

State media? Is that now what we are calling Fox News and the New York Post?


I have news for you, State Media is now Social Media and it is 100% controlled by Democrats, Progressives who are trying to keep from the American people, descenting voices.



Who stepped in to provide cover for Hunter Biden so it wouldn't cause Joe a problem before election? That would be what we call the MSM meaning the majority of media which now includes, social media. I hear numbers upward of 70% who now get their news from Twitter, Facebook and an a number of other social media platforms.



Good grief, the majority of media not only called Trump a liar everyday for better than 4 years, with the help of the Democrat Party, they called him a Russian agent, a traitor, Hitler for pete's sake.


Try and deny it all you want CNN lied everyday of the Trump Presidency, every single day. Adam Schiff and many other Democrats lied every single day of the Trump Presidency and we now have the de-classified documents to prove it.


Yes, Donald Trump lied about Mexico paying for the wall and if one was dumb enough to believe that even though 90% of the media told you on a daily basis it wasn't true, shame on you but many more of us that did vote for Trump laughed about those of you who got all worked up about it. The fact of the matter, if one actually chose to do the research, would have found that many prominent Democrats voted for starting that wall and had hundreds of miles of it built till Trump came along. Then for political gamesmanship, they changed their minds and now we are about to see the result of changing their minds to demonize what they once knew to be true, that borders must be defended.


Don't kid yourself, we just changed one liar for another. Joe Biden is lying about what his plans will cost and who will pay for them. Ironically enough, just like Trump lied about who would pay for that wall.


Joe Biden is lying about what his LGBTQ+ and racial equity will cost our culture our country.


But I think, Americans will quickly see it and ultimately reject his lies.

[1blackman1]

Originally Posted by HedonistForever

The Republican Party should do what any losing party should do. See what the new people in power are doing, find the things that many of the people who put them into power are unhappy about and craft your principal beliefs with a bit of compromise and find somebody whose personality is accepted by most people even if you don't like a particular proposal from that person. When you hate a person before they even explain what they stand for, you start from a losing perspective.


The question is not, can the GOP restore itself to power, it is, can they do what I just outlined and since it is theoretically possible, it can happen, but will it?


I threw this out before. How many people who voted for Joe Biden, a mere week into his Presidency, are saying to themselves after a single week in office, "I didn't vote for that". It should be easy since no President in history has made this many EO's right out of the box. It is easy to see where Joe Biden is heading. So while you may be pleased that you dispatched Trump, are you pleased at where Biden is heading?



If I were in a position of rebuilding the Republican party, I would find the answer to that question first. Then sit back and watch Democrats eat themselves alive as I predict they will surely do. Anybody that thinks the Democrat party will now and forever more hold this power, is kidding themselves just like those that said the ascendance of Barack Obama meant the death of the Republican Party.

There inability to move on from Trump prevents this. And Trumps presence will aid in keeping Dems from committing fratricide.

I agree that what you propose is exactly how one rebuilds after losing. But the Republicans are trapped into doing just the opposite. Doubling down on be Trump’s party. Being beholden to Trump because they fear Trump supporters will bail on the party or replace them with Trumpists. They can’t implement your plan if Trump won’t agree to go away.

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

There inability to move on from Trump prevents this. And Trumps presence will aid in keeping Dems from committing fratricide.

I agree that what you propose is exactly how one rebuilds after losing. But the Republicans are trapped into doing just the opposite. Doubling down on be Trump’s party. Being beholden to Trump because they fear Trump supporters will bail on the party or replace them with Trumpists. They can’t implement your plan if Trump won’t agree to go away.

There is truth to that, but I believe Donald Trump is going to have his hands full defending himself and lets just say I don't believe his stock will be rising in the future.



Again, this idea that if Trump isn't convicted in the Senate, he will be getting off scott free is hyperbole. If Trump committed the crime of insurrection, I don't see any reason the DOJ under Biden can't indict private citizen Trump. Then there are the state crimes that I am pretty sure he will be charged with.


While the great un-washed masses might still support Trump, do you think there will be any money people that will support a Trump run? I don't see that happening. Just like all the other people we saw drop out of primaries because they couldn't get financial backing, I think the same will happen to Trump should he try again. And I don't see Trump having his own money for another go around. Trump's money comes from a "brand name" that will now disappear In my opinion.


I predict that Trump will have to sell off most of his assets trying to stay out of jail. I think Donald John Trump has a hard road to hoe in front of him.


When you lose that power, you are no good to the boys and girls with money who want that power.


Or I could be completely wrong. Time will tell.


But I am convinced the GOP will survive and prosper because a great number of Americans are going to have their eyes opened in the coming years and they are not going to like what they see.

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by Lapdog

Some people can call it "change" if they want. I prefer the term "fucked things up."

That's exactly what you can expect from Biden He'll be the gift that keeps on giving, lol.

[Tiny]

Respectfully, Those of you who believe Trump was or is the savior of the Republican Party are wrong. As long as Trump dominates the party, the Democrats will probably control the presidency, the Senate and the House.

Look what Trump did to Arizona and Georgia. In 2016 they were red states and all four senators were Republicans. Now they've changed to purple and the senators are all Democrats. And Trump is looking to torpedo the political careers of the popular Republican governors of both states. Why? They didn't call out Trump like Jeff Flake bravely did. Rather, they refused to cooperate in overturning the results of the elections in their states. So Trump has announced he'll try to "primary" them.

Trump appears to want to become the Party Godfather, and become the guiding hand in determining which Republicans will compete in the general election. Well, Trump's seal of approval in the primaries is the kiss of death in the general election. He's an unpopular figure among all but Republicans, as evidenced by the vote count in the November election.

I do not look forward to big government, high taxes, and the destruction of the U.S. oil and gas industry, which may result from control of all levers of government by a Democratic Party that's migrating farther and farther to the left. But that's what will happen if Trump controls the Republican Party going forward.