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charlestudor2005 · 02-23-2010, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by grtrader

I agree. 100%
Maybe, add would you repeat?

The fact is provider profile reviews could be made cleaner and more effective as well in a similar manor if the reviews are attached to the profile?
You could ad was the profile accurate, was the description of services accurate?

Good additions!!! The OP wanted some way to rate the "gentleman" hobbyist. Maybe the star system would suffice, leaving the most stars for only the guys whose conduct caused this providers OP.

causewaycommuter · 02-23-2010, 11:28 AM

I thought there is a forum strictly for the ladies that is off limits to the guys, isn't that the case? If it is, then wouldn't this be the place for the ladies to discuss the guys?

I can see the fun in having the girls "review" the guys. But there would have to be some level of control before a review on a guy is posted. I would assume that the majority of the guys want to be discrete and not be known that they are in the hobby. And to me that is where the difference lies between reviews on the ladies and reviews on the guys.

A girl wants to have reviews (hopefully all positive ones) in order for her to have a successful business in the hobby. I would assume that the high majority of the guys don't want the rest of the board to know who all they are fooling around with. It gets tricky quick when you consider there are providers that don't like other providers and could/would blackball a guy for seeing her.

At first glance I like the idea of the girls reviewing the guys and think it could be fun. But once I think about it the idea gets real murky, real quick. I think this is something that should be kept in the ladies' only forum. And even then, the ladies should get permission from the guys before they post anything about them. Unless there is a safety concern, at which point that information should be shared regardless who the guy is.

kccountryboy · 02-23-2010, 12:03 PM

Gr, I think I was incomplete in my explaination. I did not mean merely changing the one handle. I was actually referring to creating an entirely new handle or creating a new account. I know aspd frowned upon this, and would ban offenders. I do not know the practices of this board or others with regard to this type of action. I would hope it would be similar.

charlestudor. I think it is an excellent idea for that type of format, with the star system. You can have yes or no recommendations, but qualifying them with stars would be even better.

ANONONE · 02-23-2010, 01:05 PM

Sure what the heck. I would make it more like a white book or white pages. Keep it positive and keep it private between the ladies. Heck don't you all have you own lounge of private thread area? Just start a thread. Keep in there though--if it overflows into the coed area, it would just stir up drama.

I figure just like professional and skilled providers have nothing to fear from an exclusive review access or if needed, an alert thread, then decent hobbyist have nothing to fear from something like this.

It is just common sense. If you are worried about what someone might post about you, don't be an:

grtrader · 02-23-2010, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by causewaycommuter

I thought there is a forum strictly for the ladies that is off limits to the guys, isn't that the case? If it is, then wouldn't this be the place for the ladies to discuss the guys?

I can see the fun in having the girls "review" the guys. But there would have to be some level of control before a review on a guy is posted. I would assume that the majority of the guys want to be discrete and not be known that they are in the hobby. And to me that is where the difference lies between reviews on the ladies and reviews on the guys.

A girl wants to have reviews (hopefully all positive ones) in order for her to have a successful business in the hobby. I would assume that the high majority of the guys don't want the rest of the board to know who all they are fooling around with. It gets tricky quick when you consider there are providers that don't like other providers and could/would blackball a guy for seeing her.

At first glance I like the idea of the girls reviewing the guys and think it could be fun. But once I think about it the idea gets real murky, real quick. I think this is something that should be kept in the ladies' only forum. And even then, the ladies should get permission from the guys before they post anything about them. Unless there is a safety concern, at which point that information should be shared regardless who the guy is.

I'm sorry I had to laugh reading this.
We already discussed that it would be very little actual identity in the matter for one.
Then look were you are talking about this on. We post reviews here hell everyone knows who we are fooling around with unless we post no reviews. haha

There was also the point participation could very well be voluntary just like you sign up with site voluntary. You can go through here and see the reviews posted and never get an account. If you get an account you get more benefits with it. Pretty simple. If you post a review your kind of saying what you are doing except this is all fantasy right.

grtrader · 02-23-2010, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by kccountryboy

Gr, I think I was incomplete in my explaination. I did not mean merely changing the one handle. I was actually referring to creating an entirely new handle or creating a new account. I know aspd frowned upon this, and would ban offenders. I do not know the practices of this board or others with regard to this type of action. I would hope it would be similar.

charlestudor. I think it is an excellent idea for that type of format, with the star system. You can have yes or no recommendations, but qualifying them with stars would be even better.

My bad to. I should have realised you meant more. I took it literally. Yea, that should be dealt with in a manor.

It would require some sort of reporting system but then it would require some proof of identity as well. Which is counter the idea of anonymity. banning he account would force them to start over in the least bit and get reverified and if a provider reported it was the same person then well you could ban the account again. This would mean they would have to see all new providers and not act out to keep from getting banned again which we probably could all live with.

causewaycommuter · 02-23-2010, 04:04 PM

grtrader, my point is that if a guy wants to post a review then it is up to him. But there would need to be some kind of control as to whether a review on a hobbiest can get posted if the hobbiest doesn't want to be reviewed.

grtrader · 02-23-2010, 04:16 PM

I think there is controls in place already if you think about it. If they aren't a site member then they only have real world info to Identify the person. Which for the most part we don't allow much of on here other than a phone number.

I doubt you will find a single provider who is going to give up the identity of a hobbyist that isn't known on here other than for warning sakes. Primarily they want repeat customers and if they have a lock in on a guy who isn't known around the community they probably want to keep that to themselves.

For the ones worried about being reviewed on this or any other site it can be going on anyway and you not know diddle about it.

Wouldn't you at least prefer it in the open at least the reviews post about escorts on here they can challenge. Didn't we just have an issue were an person was posting fake reviews about people? If at least it is in the open there is more control on it, it also give you a chance to voice or counter what bad may be said or change behavior.

You also don't have to tell them you are even on here as a hobbyist. It isn't like I call a provider over and go owe btw I am on ECCIE or ASPD my handle is ....

If I got a problem I rather someone say it to me openly.

kccountryboy · 02-24-2010, 07:24 AM

The other question is would the hobbyist be able to post in his own review? I believe providers are not allowed to post in reviews of their own or other providers. So would the same rules apply where hobbyists would not be allowed to post in thier own or other hobbyist reviews.

Gryphon · 02-24-2010, 10:43 AM

Any of the suggested formats would help those hobbyists who treat providers well. None of them, however, would do much to weed out the jerks. If there is any degree of anonymity for the hobbyists, someone who gets bad reviews could book with other providers without bothering to mention the fact that he has reviews at all. So unless a provider limits her clientele to those who have reviews, she won't get a lot of protection from less gentlemanly sorts.

SFviii · 02-24-2010, 11:04 AM

Hobbyist's reviews has been discussed before on other board sites so this thread is not the 1st and it will not be the last. It was tried one time on ASPD Texas forum a couple of years ago. It turned into a disaster as guys avoided one provider for security because she was NOT very discreet about one hobbyist in the review.

Another provider made a compare and contrast references and kind of insulted a lot of her regular's egos. Both ladies ruined their business in the process.

When this subject came up again on ASPD, I think ck1942 or Dennisrn made references to that disaster. A similar thread was posted on TOB as well and the Mods made some references to that ASPD TX disaster.

I recall one ASPD admin pointed out, the ASPs are the ones thats providing the service and thus require a review to give other hobbyists an informed decision. The hobbyists are not providing a service and in reality, the ones searching for the service. What's the point of reviews of them?

The ASPs have the so-called Blacklist on Girltalk, the okays on P411, verifications on Date-Check, TER WhiteList or one-on-one talk with provider references.

Just my 0.02...
SF8

grtrader · 02-24-2010, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Gryphon

Any of the suggested formats would help those hobbyists who treat providers well. None of them, however, would do much to weed out the jerks. If there is any degree of anonymity for the hobbyists, someone who gets bad reviews could book with other providers without bothering to mention the fact that he has reviews at all. So unless a provider limits her clientele to those who have reviews, she won't get a lot of protection from less gentlemanly sorts.

The provider would have the option to accept those with or with out reviews. The proof of the person being the one with a review he would log in to his account and sent a private message to her. That way she knows is him.

Providers could get like a lot do and won't accept you with out P411 or some other verification service or several other references. They do that now.

grtrader · 02-24-2010, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by shootfighter08

Hobbyist's reviews has been discussed before on other board sites so this thread is not the 1st and it will not be the last. It was tried one time on ASPD Texas forum a couple of years ago. It turned into a disaster as guys avoided one provider for security because she was NOT very discreet about one hobbyist in the review.

Another provider made a compare and contrast references and kind of insulted a lot of her regular's egos. Both ladies ruined their business in the process.

When this subject came up again on ASPD, I think ck1942 or Dennisrn made references to that disaster. A similar thread was posted on TOB as well and the Mods made some references to that ASPD TX disaster.

I recall one ASPD admin pointed out, the ASPs are the ones thats providing the service and thus require a review to give other hobbyists an informed decision. The hobbyists are not providing a service and in reality, the ones searching for the service. What's the point of reviews of them?

The ASPs have the so-called Blacklist on Girltalk, the okays on P411, verifications on Date-Check, TER WhiteList or one-on-one talk with provider references.

Just my 0.02...
SF8

Apparently you missed he entire part on here about limiting it to mostly yes / no answer to avoid that mess. Since it would be attached to an account it wouldn't be identifying them any more than what their account currently does.

I'm building it into my site it is voluntary if the client gets an account or not but if the providers insists you have an account over time. I sure as heck won't blame her. Just safer for her and better for all of us.

SFviii · 02-24-2010, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by grtrader

Apparently you missed he entire part on here about limiting it to mostly yes / no answer to avoid that mess. Since it would be attached to an account it wouldn't be identifying them any more than what their account currently does.

I'm building it into my site it is voluntary if the client gets an account or not but if the providers insists you have an account over time. I sure as heck won't blame her. Just safer for her and better for all of us.

This board's intent, and like any boards, is about information and my post is about addressing the OP's blog about reviewing a hobbyist...good & bad. Let all information be out in a historic perspective so all others can learn and improve from. Limiting to just yes/no is no different like getting an okay on P411 which is a far superior screening site. Like Gina said, its for the lady's safety and security to follow strict screening practices...

Go ahead and build your site but there are some providers out there that scams, rip-offs and up-sells that may join your site. Are they allowed to review their unhappy clients with yes/no?

SF8

Tiffany Cums · 02-25-2010, 07:17 AM

I don't like it...I don't think hobbiest should be reviewed...they are not the ones selling themselves. All we need to know about them is whether or not they are safe....a thumbs up/thumbs down should do this, or the "ok" system P411 has.
I have a regular who has always been very clean, smells good, and generous. I went to visit him once and he had just finished eating...which caused bad breath, bad taste in his mouth. If it was my first time seeing him, I could've made a poor hygeine review on him, not knowing any better. Or a gentleman could be needing a provider BECAUSE he is having a bad day....it would be sorry if I then wrote a review on him based on his bad day.

I don't like the whole idea of it, all I need and want to know is if he is 'safe'!