TS vs TG

[misterjay]

Originally Posted by Lechertoo

I am in the latter groups. I almost gag when I see two guys kiss on the TV or in a movie. But I like seeing both GG's and Ts'. That said, my preference of late has been mainly to see Ts ladies.

is it because better rates and lack of screening?

[bengay]

no, it is because TS girls cant fake an orgasms...and better rates..and the challenge of getting on the good side of their YMMV.

If you are fat, old, ugly or smelly, you can always find a GG provider to pretend that you are the shit. but with a TS, no way!

[Lechertoo]

Originally Posted by bengay

... If you are fat, old, ugly or smelly, you can always find a GG provider to pretend that you are the shit. but with a TS, no way!

I meet two of the four above ... fat and old. But I usually do my homework and ask the ladies if they see older men. The rate is not so much a factor. Although I probably wouldn't pay over $200 for a session. It's just a different type of entertainment. I have no idea how many GG's I've seen. I used to have 4 appointments a week. Now I might have 8 in a year. I've done most of things GG's will let you do to them. Now I am simply having the Ts' do the same to me.

[bengay]

LT,
Surely you are not immune to the TS YMMV factor. It sucks when you are on the wrong end of it but there is something about the thrill of the hunt.

[Lechertoo]

I won't say immune. I have had a few bad experiences. But I am very thorough on my homework and put a lot of trust in some of you guy's reviews. I don't do TOFTT appointments anymore since I don't get out that much. I also return to providers I have seen that I know will provide a good session.

[misterjay]

Originally Posted by bengay

the challenge of getting on the good side of their YMMV.

this applies to gg as well

Originally Posted by bengay

If you are fat, old, ugly or smelly, you can always find a GG provider to pretend that you are the shit.

lol perhaps that is the case for sw

[Itrain]

Lecheerto. So you would considered yourself straight? I have a friend that like girls ok but he loved TS however he said they have to be very feminine and very passable otherwise he wouldn't do it. He said he never found a guy attractive . I asked the same question and he couldn't answer he said not gay bc he never felt attractive to guys at all, but he said he wasn't straight because he loved a hot TS. He said he never received he always fuck or suck a TS but never felt the need to be F,**

[Lechertoo]

Originally Posted by Itrain

Lecheerto. So you would considered yourself straight? ... I asked the same question and he couldn't answer he said not gay bc he never felt attractive to guys at all, but he said he wasn't straight because he loved a hot TS. He said he never received he always fuck or suck a TS but never felt the need to be F,**

I appreciate the question and with no disrespect intended, I don't think I care what someone else wants to call me. I have fairly well defined who and what I like but I am not sure how to label it either. You are welcome to call me gay, there are a lot that have. But I rarely see Ts pics or videos with them described as gay. So I'm not sure that the porno world even knows how to describe me (us).

Maybe it best to simply say I am pervert. (i.e. Lecher)

[albundy]

Originally Posted by ithyphallicus

I don't know. The way I understand it is SEX is what's between your legs whereas GENDER is how you identify mentally, man or woman based on rules in society..

Society determines?!? Really? So if I decide to paint slants on the side of my eyes and want to be Chinese, am I now Chinese? Is "society" now obligated to call me Chinese? What if I learned the language and REALLY got into it? Would I be Chinese? No, not really, even if I called myself Chin.

When I read TS reviews, I love reading those. I'm amazed. It reads like a review with a "regular" provider but then all of a sudden the guy is sucking dick! Throws me for a loop for a second. Interesting reading. Very entertaining stuff. That always was fascinating to me: A guy is getting fucked up the ass and he's sucking dick and swallowing cum BUT he's not gay. Isn't that kind of the EXACT sex acts of a homosexual man? I've seen some pictures on here of some TS's who would blow most regular women away in the looks department. But, man, no matter how attractive, I couldn't suck "her" dick.

Originally Posted by Lechertoo

I am in the latter groups. I almost gag when I see two guys kiss on the TV or in a movie. But I like seeing both GG's and Ts'. That said, my preference of late has been mainly to see TS ladies.

^^^
This is what's baffling to me. Two guys kissing makes you sick, but you suck on bare cocks?!? Amazing stuff. By the way, you seem like a pretty cool dude, Lechertoo. I'm not trying to make this personal. But, it's hard to write or ask about this stuff without coming across that way.

But, that's cool. What the hell. Everyone likes different things. The World would be boring if everyone was exactly the same.

[ithyphallicus]

Originally Posted by albundy

Society determines?!? Really? So if I decide to paint slants on the side of my eyes and want to be Chinese, am I now Chinese? Is "society" now obligated to call me Chinese? What if I learned the language and REALLY got into it? Would I be Chinese? No, not really, even if I called myself Chin.

When I read TS reviews, I love reading those. I'm amazed. It reads like a review with a "regular" provider but then all of a sudden the guy is sucking dick! Throws me for a loop for a second. Interesting reading. Very entertaining stuff. That always was fascinating to me: A guy is getting fucked up the ass and he's sucking dick and swallowing cum BUT he's not gay. Isn't that kind of the EXACT sex acts of a homosexual man? I've seen some pictures on here of some TS's who would blow most regular women away in the looks department. But, man, no matter how attractive, I couldn't suck "her" dick.


^^^
This is what's baffling to me. Two guys kissing makes you sick, but you suck on bare cocks?!? Amazing stuff. By the way, you seem like a pretty cool dude, Lechertoo. I'm not trying to make this personal. But, it's hard to write or ask about this stuff without coming across that way.

But, that's cool. What the hell. Everyone likes different things. The World would be boring if everyone was exactly the same.

The rules of society being, if you're born with a penis you are a man and should be a man, like women sexually and dress as a man. If you're born with a vagina you are a woman, like men sexually and dress as a woman.

It's really not the same thing although I'm sure that there are lots of people who would rather identify as another race. There are TS/TG people in all races all over the world. It's much more primal than race or culture.

I don't totally understand it but I do understand that all people have the right of a "pursuit of happiness", at least in the USA.

[albundy]

Originally Posted by ithyphallicus

.........
I don't totally understand it but I do understand that all people have the right of a "pursuit of happiness", at least in the USA.

Here. Here. Couldn't agree more.

It's just curiosity on my part. I'm not in any way saying guys SHOULDN'T fuck TS's or be gay. Whatever makes you happy. Just fascinated by the notion of a "straight" guy sucking dick, but being disgusted by two guys kissing or not considering himself gay.

[Lechertoo]

I appreciate the interaction, but my question to you would be ... What is the necessity of trying to put a label on this type of activity. Short of bestiality and kiddy porn which I hope we would all oppose, almost every kind of sexual fantasy is openly discussed on this Board. But I don't see very many threads spending time trying to put a label on those other activities.

So it begs the question, why label this one? Why spend thread upon thread ad nauseam trying to label it? That befuddles me. So, to you guys asking the questions, here are mine to you,

1) Why do you need to "personally" define some kind of parameters or label for Ts activities?

And the next would be.

2) Is it so you can justify in your own mind participating in such activities without having to call yourself gay or be called gay by others? I can settle part of the second question for you. If you participate in TS activities, some people are going to call you gay. So what? This sounds a little childish, but seriously consider the source.

[Itrain]

Well to answer your question in my case . I asked about it to better understand that way of thinking also to be political correct. Let me give you an example, my mother is white, my dad is Hispanic but I was born and raised in Europe bc my we were a military family. I was born in Germany, Im American citizen because my mom is white, I also have a Mexican citizenship because my dad heritage. I speak with an accent , I'm 6,3 blue gray eyes but my skin is brown. I get asked a lot where Im from and what race. When I explain my situation I ask them , to tell me what I am. Most people are confused other say white others said latino some just say mix. So as you can see sometimes when we encounter something we are not familiar with and is not very usual we like to find out so we can understand. It can also help bc if we understand how you thing and how you feel we can treat you fairly and how you would like to be treated. You don't care what ppl call you ,but many do.

[All-tied-up]

I would say the easiest way to answer your question Lechertoo is to say that we live in a society that is all about labels, and more specifically the hierarchy of those labels.

When you read the stories that are written about any subject labels are attached to all relative persons in the story and then based on the bias of the writer a pecking order of who is more deserving of respect is needed.

The bias can even be seen inside of certain communities for example, the LGBTQ... community is having internal issues because some groups feel under represented within the governing structure.

Everywhere you turn a label is placed upon you, you can agree with it or not doesn't matter. I am with you I could care less what label is placed upon me. I like the Taboo. I enjoy being dominated within the BDSM community and I enjoy the company of chicks with dicks. I like a lot of different things and if I ever found someone who would give me all of it then great. I wouldn't use the label gay or bi to describe myself since I have never walked down the street and thought to myself that is one hot dude I would love to fuck. Others, especially in the Austin and San Antonio boards would disagree.

The labels only serve to allow them to put you in the proper place in their pecking order. I could care less where I am put since this hobby is a cash transaction that when finished we go our separate ways. I could care less what the customer behind me at Walmart thinks of my purchases as well.

[TestingLimits]

Originally Posted by All-tied-up

... I could care less what the customer behind me at Walmart thinks of my purchases as well.

Well stated! But, we do live in a society that is not completely tolerant of sexuality that does not fit their labels, and they will often punish those who don't.

FWIW, I discussed my sexuality with a couple gay guys. One said he would call me bi-sexual, the other would call me heterosexual with a very open mind. Neither of them considered me "gay".

I am attracted to feminine women and feminine tgirls, but not to feminine looking men. I am not attracted to masculine men, masculine looking females, or masculine looking tgirls. If I was at a club, and an attractive female or tgirl ran her hand up my ass then kissed my neck, I would enjoy it. If a "man" did that to me, I'd likely punch him in the face, assuming it even got that far.

Not trying to find a label, just letting some guys in the same situation, they are not alone