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Old 12-21-2015, 07:30 AM   #16
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Ike got the US into that 20 year Nam debacle, much the same way Reagan and Cheney covertly got the US into that Iran/contra debacle.
Ike started secretly and 'covertly' sending US special forces into Nam in 1955!

Oh and Syria became the safe haven for both AQ and ISIS which were both created, trained and spawned by yer pals Dubya and Cheney....ya know the 'unintended consequences' of their utterly myopic, inept, visionless thincking....

WTF are ya soiling yer panties over Putin fer?!?!?!
Yer pal Dubya looked into Putin's eyes and saw his soul and was cool with Putin!!!....
Vietnam didn't turn into full blown war until LBJ became president. And he used the Gulf of Tonkin lie to justify escalation.

Al Qaeda was created in the late 80's which splintered from the Mujahideen which had been created at the end of the Carter Adm. The Mujahideen was Zbigniew Brzezinski's brilliant idea. A way to fight a proxie war against Russia in Afghanistan.

Could give two shits about Putin. Just don't think it's wise to be butting heads with Russia over friggin Seria. Even Bush wasn't that dumb.
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Old 12-21-2015, 08:41 AM   #17
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Guess ya flunked history before ya flunked out of high school.....

The only thing ya sort of got right was the 3 year Korean War that Truman got the US into.

Ike got the US into that 20 year Nam debacle, much the same way Reagan and Cheney covertly got the US into that Iran/contra debacle.
Ike started secretly and 'covertly' sending US special forces into Nam in 1955!

Dubya and his 'brain Cheney' killed over a million in their 2 BS wars but but but don't let these FACTS keep you from believing your Limpbaugh lemmingesque inspired delusions.....

Oh and Syria became the safe haven for both AQ and ISIS which were both created, trained and spawned by yer pals Dubya and Cheney....ya know the 'unintended consequences' of their utterly myopic, inept, visionless thincking....

WTF are ya soiling yer panties over Putin fer?!?!?!
Yer pal Dubya looked into Putin's eyes and saw his soul and was cool with Putin!!!....



Putin and Dubya, two sides of the same coin, except I'm pretty sure Putin is smarter.
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Vietnam didn't turn into full blown war until LBJ became president. And he used the Gulf of Tonkin lie to justify escalation.

Al Qaeda was created in the late 80's which splintered from the Mujahideen which had been created at the end of the Carter Adm. The Mujahideen was Zbigniew Brzezinski's brilliant idea. A way to fight a proxie war against Russia in Afghanistan.

Could give two shits about Putin. Just don't think it's wise to be butting heads with Russia over friggin Seria. Even Bush wasn't that dumb.
yup the French got Ike to go into Vietnam. Keep it small looking for a way out pissed at the French. Keep it small and look for a way out was also JFK idea. Ir was LBJ that went in big time. Before JFK death LBJ was trying to push JFK to do as LBJ did do after. JFK wanted nothing to do with what LBJ wanted for Vietnam.

love him or hate him, or anywhere between Tricky Dicky got us out. Getting out was good. How Dicky got out was a bit fucked up. And about the same when Oblama pulled out of Iraq.
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love him or hate him, or anywhere between Tricky Dicky got us out. Getting out was good. How Dicky got out was a bit fucked up.
Tricky Dick thought pulling Troops out of Nam after 20 farking years would save his lying sorry paranoid arse from Impeachment for Watergate! Paranoid Tricky Dick guessed wrong, then had to resign ta save his arse from being Impeached......
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Club W...we knew about Isis before they did.
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That was Cheney's plan all along....
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Old 12-22-2015, 07:19 AM   #21
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yup the French got Ike to go into Vietnam. Keep it small looking for a way out pissed at the French. Keep it small and look for a way out was also JFK idea. Ir was LBJ that went in big time. Before JFK death LBJ was trying to push JFK to do as LBJ did do after. JFK wanted nothing to do with what LBJ wanted for Vietnam.
Actually we started sending "military advisers" to the region in 1950. Sending military advisers is rarely a good sign. If we want to be precise the argument can be made that Truman got the ball rolling.
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Dubya and his father had a personal vendetta against Saddam Hussein and were willing to do anything to get him. For whatever reason no one really knows. Dubya ignored all the advice on WMD and went ahead with a trillion dollar campaign that would end up getting Saddam.

So they ended up getting him at a huge cost. Looking back now Saddam was nothing compared to Isis and the terror groups since then. Now the war chest is empty and there is no more borrowed money left to wipe Isis out. If we learned anything from the past it's to get out of the middle east and let the crazies do what they want. The US will never win over hearts and minds over there. Whatever cash is left needs to be spent to protect American soil.
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Old 12-23-2015, 08:00 AM   #23
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If we learned anything from the past it's to get out of the middle east and let the crazies do what they want.
As long as there's lots of oil over there that won't happen.
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