pesky IRS..

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by CJ7

The agency is a bureau of the Department of the Treasury, and is under the immediate direction of the Commissioner of Internal Revenue. The IRS is responsible for collecting taxes and the interpretation and enforcement of the Internal Revenue Code

One distinction between an executive agency and an independent agency is that the president, typically, cannot dismiss the head of the latter without serious cause. Independent agencies include the Securities and Exchange Commission, the National Labor Relations Board, the Federal Communications Commission and the Federal Trade Commission.
By contrast, the law governing the I.R.S. states that the president can remove the commissioner at will. The commissioner reports to the secretary of the treasury through the deputy secretary.
Federal law does include special provisions to ban presidential meddling in the I.R.S. It also gives the I.R.S. commissioner a 5-year term, which helps insulate the agency from the politics of the four-year presidential cycle.

specifically, that distinction qualifies the IRS as an executive agency ... my bad

I digress

back to the stupid question section, and my answers ..


the IRS delayed enforcement

the last delay was for individuals

you're an idiot

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hope that helps.


"So under whose authority did they do this?"

the same part/authority that you bitch about them collecting penalties for AHA

Can you cite what part of the ACA allows the IRS to make these decisions

Sections 4980H, 6055 and 6056 of the tax code.

CBJ7, you disingenuously argue that the president has no directive authority over the IRS while you inexplicably post an article that clearly states that the IRS is under the directive authority of the president's authority. What you posted, CBJ7, is 'echoed' by journalists, here ... below, and those journalists, repeating what you posted almost verbatum, are clearly stating that the president IS responsible for and has authority over the IRS:

White House Press Secretary Jay Carney, and yesterday President Obama himself, declared that the Internal Revenue Service is an “independent agency.” Not so, unless they are redefining the term.

Most Executive Branch departments are headed by a Cabinet Secretary (except for the Department of Justice, which is headed by the Attorney General of the United States) who is nominated by the President and confirmed by the Senate. Within the Departments are agencies that carry out the various responsibilities of the Department. They, too, are headed by Senate-confirmed Presidential appointees. An “independent agency” is an agency of the federal government that is not part of an Executive Branch department. These are generally boards and commissions, like the National Labor Relations Board and the Federal Communications Commission.

But just as the Federal Bureau of Investigation is part of the Department of Justice, the Internal Revenue Service is part of the Department of Treasury. As with other federal agencies, each is headed by a Senate-confirmed Presidential appointee. Neither of these is an “independent agency.”

Teresa Tritch of the New York Times agrees, and goes on:

One distinction between an executive agency and an independent agency is that the president, typically, cannot dismiss the head of the latter without serious cause. Independent agencies include the Securities and Exchange Commission, the National Labor Relations Board, the Federal Communications Commission and the Federal Trade Commission.


By contrast, the law governing the I.R.S. states that the president can remove the commissioner at will. The commissioner reports to the secretary of the treasury through the deputy secretary.

Since the president’s ability to hire and fire the IRS commissioner is pretty straightforward, the administration has also taken steps to make sure everyone knows that the guy in charge during the scandal was appointed by President Bush. But the Wall Street Journal pushes back:

The White House has also been at pains to stress that former Commissioner Douglas Shulman, who told Congress in 2012 that there had been no targeting of political groups, was appointed by George W. Bush. So the Commissioner is accountable to the President, as long as he’s the former President? Or what?

This attempt to distance Mr. Obama from any control of the IRS is especially rich in light of the Administration’s recent attempts to bend other genuinely independent agencies like the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) and the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB) to its will via non-recess recess appointments. The Administration is currently petitioning the Supreme Court to hear its appeal of the D.C. Circuit’s decision declaring its NLRB recess appointments unconstitutional.

So let’s look at how the U.S. legal code describes the varying standards of Presidential “accountability”: The IRS Commissioner “may be removed at the will of the President.” A labor board member “may be removed by the President, upon notice and hearing, for neglect of duty or malfeasance in office, but for no other cause.” At the CFPB, the President “may remove the Director for inefficiency, neglect of duty, or malfeasance in office.” The IRS job is not like the other two.

This scandal is getting uglier for the Obama team by the hour. So I am not surprised that they are doing what they can to distance themselves from the wrongdoing. But in this case, as in the AP reporter-monitoring case, President Obama doesn’t need to look very far to find someone who can be held accountable.


http://www.nationalreview.com/348419/re-irs-scandal

[Yssup Rider]

That's a circular argument Corpy. You don't make sense. You just selectively cut and paste from the right wing journal that suits your position...which, BTW, is RCG for the most part. (Look it up, tranny fucker!)

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

That's a circular argument Corpy. You don't make sense. You just selectively cut and paste from the right wing journal that suits your position...which, BTW, is RCG for the most part. (Look it up, tranny fucker!)

under certain circumstances the POTUS can fire the commssioner of IRS, other than that there are laws prohibiting a POTUS from interacting with the IRS ... tell IBTF

[NiceGuy53]

Originally Posted by CJ7

under certain circumstances the POTUS can fire the commssioner of IRS, other than that there are laws prohibiting a POTUS from interacting with the IRS ... tell IBTF

No, that's not correct CBJ7. Federal law says the IRS commissioner can be removed from the position "at the will of the president". But it's true that the President or Vice President and their staffs can not legally order the IRS to audit or terminate an audit or other investigation of a partcular taxpayer. But who is going to enforce that aspect of the law? Eric Holder, the Attorney General? Yeah, right!

Since your such a big fan of Fact Check.org here is a link to an article from them with a portion of their article quoted.


"The law also prohibits the president, vice president and members of their executive office staff from requesting “directly or indirectly, any officer or employee of the Internal Revenue Service to conduct or terminate an audit or other investigation of any particular taxpayer with respect to the tax liability of such taxpayer.”
But federal law also says that the IRS commissioner can be removed from the position “at the will of the president.” That can’t be done to the heads of some other actual “independent” agencies without a reason".

http://www.factcheck.org/2013/05/irs...o-independent/

[IIFFOFRDB]

Originally Posted by CJ7

under certain circumstances the POTUS can fire the commssioner of IRS, other than that there are laws prohibiting a POTUS from interacting with the IRS ... tell IBTF

Admit it you Socialist/Fascist lying pc of shit, you and your types want single payer. Obrobrocare is just a means to a end.

[Yssup Rider]

Hey douchebag, what is Obrobrocare?

anybody else want some of this drooling water head?

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by NiceGuy53

No, that's not correct CBJ7. Federal law says the IRS commissioner can be removed from the position "at the will of the president". But it's true that the President or Vice President and their staffs can not legally order the IRS to audit or terminate an audit or other investigation of a partcular taxpayer. But who is going to enforce that aspect of the law? Eric Holder, the Attorney General? Yeah, right!

Since your such a big fan of Fact Check.org here is a link to an article from them with a portion of their article quoted.


"The law also prohibits the president, vice president and members of their executive office staff from requesting “directly or indirectly, any officer or employee of the Internal Revenue Service to conduct or terminate an audit or other investigation of any particular taxpayer with respect to the tax liability of such taxpayer.”
But federal law also says that the IRS commissioner can be removed from the position “at the will of the president.” That can’t be done to the heads of some other actual “independent” agencies without a reason".

http://www.factcheck.org/2013/05/irs...o-independent/

there ya go.. almost identical to the post I made in post # 11 ..

The agency is a bureau of the Department of the Treasury, and is under the immediate direction of the Commissioner of Internal Revenue. The IRS is responsible for collecting taxes and the interpretation and enforcement of the Internal Revenue Code

One distinction between an executive agency and an independent agency is that the president, typically, cannot dismiss the head of the latter without serious cause. Independent agencies include the Securities and Exchange Commission, the National Labor Relations Board, the Federal Communications Commission and the Federal Trade Commission.
By contrast, the law governing the I.R.S. states that the president can remove the commissioner at will. The commissioner reports to the secretary of the treasury through the deputy secretary.
Federal law does include special provisions to ban presidential meddling in the I.R.S. It also gives the I.R.S. commissioner a 5-year term, which helps insulate the agency from the politics of the four-year presidential cycle..

I just worded the reply after that poorly ...

[I B Hankering]

CBJ7, you are a buffoon.

"...the president’s ability to hire and fire the IRS commissioner is pretty straightforward ...."

".... the Internal Revenue Service is part of the Department of Treasury [under the executive branch]. As with other federal agencies, [it] is headed by a Senate-confirmed Presidential appointee. Neither of these is an 'independent agency.' ....the law governing the I.R.S. states that the president can remove the commissioner at will. The commissioner reports to the secretary of the treasury through the deputy secretary.... So let’s look at how the U.S. legal code describes the varying standards of Presidential 'accountability': The IRS Commissioner 'may be removed at the will of the President.'"

"The Internal Revenue Service functions as a government agency under the Executive Branch of the United States government, which is comprised of 3 total branches; in addition to the Executive branch – which is responsible for the regulation and enforcement of operational legislation existing within the United States of America – there also exists the Legislative and Judicial Branches" - See more at: http://agencies.laws.com/internal-re....OX7CFntO.dpuf


"In 1997, the National Commission on Restructuring the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) recommended the creation of an IRS Oversight Board that would focus on strategic issues facing the agency. The following year, the IRS Restructuring and Reform Act of 1998 established the Board as an independent body charged with providing the IRS with long-term guidance and direction.

"The Oversight Board is an independent body charged to oversee the IRS in its administration, management, conduct, direction, and supervision of the execution and application of the internal revenue laws and to provide experience, independence, and stability to the IRS so that it may move forward in a focused direction.

"Board members are appointed by the President of the United States and confirmed by the Senate for five-year terms. These members have professional experience or expertise in key business and tax administration areas. The Secretary of the Treasury [nominated by the president] and the Commissioner of Internal Revenue [appointed by the President] are also members of the Board."

http://www.treasury.gov/irsob/

[I B Hankering]

[Yssup Rider]

Guess a single "you are a buffoon" isn't quite the same as the full shrieking meltdown we've seen over the past month-plus.

Come on little buddy. We're here to help you.

[Guest123018-4]

CJ7m just another typical liberal that has to resort to name calling when they cannot support their own arguments.

If the law is so great for this nation, why must any part of it be delayed?
If the law is so wonderful why cant they make a working website in less time than it took to fight a world war?
If the law is so fantastic why did Obama lie though his teeth about it so many times?
If the law is good enough for the average taxpayer why are so many exempted from the law?
If the law was a miraculous savior to the people why do a majority of Americans oppose it?
If this law is in the best interest of our nation why was it not voted on and rather to have "deemed to have passed" in the dark of night?
If this law is the finest of the land why are so many Democrats that are up for re-election bailing and trying to distance themselves from its tentacle?

Think what you like but I believe that those that support this horrible piece of legislation are the "idiots" rather than those that oppose it.
Now line up with your name calling and let us see who is the fastest on the draw.


SNICK

[Yssup Rider]

what's your problem 2puppies?

why do you want it to fail?

Can't you get yours?

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

what's your problem 2puppies?

why do you want it to fail?

Can't you get yours?

must be really pissed off because the law covers his pre existing condition.

[NiceGuy53]

Originally Posted by CJ7

I just worded the reply after that poorly ...

LMAO! Yeah, right!

Too bad Obamacare doesn't cover your pre-existing conditions of stupidity and hypocrisy!

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by NiceGuy53

LMAO! Yeah, right!

Too bad Obamacare doesn't cover your pre-existing conditions of stupidity and hypocrisy!

having posted the exact law prior to my comment, yeah right, my words were screwed up...

but speaking of stupidity and hypocrisy ..

in your expert military opinion, who would you say is responsible for reporting to the State Dept form Africa.???