Washington Post Editorial About Trump

[winn dixie]

she loco

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by billthecat46

What I'm referring to is not a single Republican senator has shown any interest in supporting the John Lewis Voting Rights Act or the For the People Act. Bills that would protect the right to vote.

I don't know what's in the bills but if what you say is true, no Republican would support the bills, they're probably bad bills.

Originally Posted by billthecat46

That may or may not be true (most likely not true) and quite frankly is irrelevant. Making it more difficult to vote and for no good reason is bad. I'm not sure why you think making it more difficult to vote would motivate people to be more likely to vote and I don't see how shortening the number of early voting days or limiting locations for dropping off one's ballot has any impact of 'stuffing the ballot box'.

Again, look at Georgia and the Senate runoffs. Georgia Democrats thought, correctly, that Trump was trying to steel the election. They were mad as hell. They showed up in droves for the runoffs, and their candidates won.

Now the media and Democratic politicians have convinced a large portion of the base, including you, that these changes in the election laws somehow give an advantage to Republicans. That's not true. But it makes you mad as hell and more likely to vote.

What's your reasoning anyway? You think Democrats are lazy and uninvolved so they're not going to vote unless it's presented to them on a silver platter? They have to get the ballot in the mail or somebody has to come by in a van with barbecue and beer to get them to the polls or they won't vote?

As to why Republicans are put off by mail-in voting and drop boxes, it's because they theoretically make fraud easier. You can go to a mailbox or a drop box at 3:00 AM and insert a whole lot of ballots from dead people. Does that happen on a large scale? No. But it's a possibility, and a lot of people think it's happening. So why not humor them? Especially if it helps avoid the strife that Kagan's predicting.

As to the rest of your post you and Kagan overestimate Trump. I don't think he's capable of pulling off what you describe. He'll be 78 in 2024.

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by billthecat46

Since they believe that the 2020 election was stolen then it follows that they will feel any action is justified to steal the election in 2024. If the election is close then we can easily see the chaos suggested by Robert Kagan in his WaPo opinion piece. maybe the courts would intervene but how long would that take? We had an insurrection over the 2020 election what makes you think we wouldn't have another if the courts are the ones who decide that the Republican candidate lost?

Well, that certainly would explain why Democrats acted the way they did because they thought Bush and Trump both stole elections so if your theory is true, it isn't hard to believe that Democrats lied and cheated their way to victory, right? Hey, it's your theory.

[NoirMan]

Yeah. They came out and voted in droves, along with the independents to get rid of trump. It was trumps actions after he lost which was intent on trying to steal the election, along with his sycophants Hawley and Cruz who refused to just tell their supporters Biden Won. Perpetuating the Big Lie is a mainstay of the Republicans at this point since there are fewer Republicans who will come out and be honest than there are that will give voice to the lie. But it’s a good money raising byline so why be honest when the lie raises so much money.

As for voting legislation, widespread voter fraud has never been nor ever will be an issue, but republicans want as few people to actually vote as possible because they believe that works to their advantage. So all those state laws designed to increase difficulty in voting have zero to do with making votes more secure (since they already are) and everything to with decreasing the number of votes (which they believe secures their wins).

If they really wanted to secure their wins, Republicans could always come up with better ideas. But that takes work, and they aren’t trying to go that route.

[billthecat46]

Originally Posted by HedonistForever

Well, that certainly would explain why Democrats acted the way they did because they thought Bush and Trump both stole elections so if your theory is true, it isn't hard to believe that Democrats lied and cheated their way to victory, right? Hey, it's your theory.

That's a pretty sad attempt at bothsiderism since both sides don't. Both Gore and Clinton conceded the election, unlike the former guy. Neither held numerous 'Stop the Steal' rallies, unlike the former guy. Neither fomented an insurrection, unlike the former guy. Democratic leadership did not refuse to acknowledge that Bush and the former guy were the president elect, unlike many in a position of leadership in the Republican party after Biden was elected. And you won't find any polls showing that 2/3rds of Democrats believe that Clinton was the legitimate president in 2016, unlike Republicans in 2020.

[billthecat46]

Originally Posted by NoirMan

If they really wanted to secure their wins, Republicans could always come up with better ideas. But that takes work, and they aren’t trying to go that route.

“If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy.” – David Frum (speech writer for GW Bush)

[billthecat46]

Originally Posted by Tiny

I don't know what's in the bills but if what you say is true, no Republican would support the bills, they're probably bad bills.

Bad for Republicans because it will limit their ability to suppress, disenfranchise, and intimidate Democratic voters.

Originally Posted by Tiny

Again, look at Georgia and the Senate runoffs. Georgia Democrats thought, correctly, that Trump was trying to steel the election. They were mad as hell. They showed up in droves for the runoffs, and their candidates won.

It's true they overcame a lot of obstacles and now Republicans are putting even more obstacles in the way. Restricting vote by mail, limiting early voting days and times, closing polling places in Democratic strongholds all of which will lead to more people voting in person on election day creating long lines of people waiting to vote and they've even made it illegal to hand out water to those waiting in long lines.

Originally Posted by Tiny

election laws somehow give an advantage to Republicans.

They do because many of those laws very directly targets groups most likely to vote for Democrats.

Originally Posted by Tiny

What's your reasoning anyway?

These laws do in fact target Democratic voting groups.

Originally Posted by Tiny

As to why Republicans are put off by mail-in voting and drop boxes, it's because they theoretically make fraud easier. You can go to a mailbox or a drop box at 3:00 AM and insert a whole lot of ballots from dead people. Does that happen on a large scale? No.

So the fraud doesn't happen but reducing the availability of those drop boxes does create an impediment to voting.

Originally Posted by Tiny

So why not humor them?

Because it creates an unnecessary impediment to voting.

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by HedonistForever

Well, that certainly would explain why Democrats acted the way they did because they thought Bush and Trump both stole elections so if your theory is true, it isn't hard to believe that Democrats lied and cheated their way to victory, right? Hey, it's your theory.

That’s patently false HD.

Nobody I know accused Trump of stealing the election in 2016. But he did lose the vote. That is the undisputed truth. Trump claimed they were stealing it from him before the voting ever began, if you recall.

Bush was a different story. It took an act of SCOTUS aided by a complicit Florida state “government” to make that happen. Also incontrovertible evidence. And the whole deed was accomplished in a month.

Trumpists are still crying, mewling and bellyaching about the groundswell of Americans who ousted him. Led by their god himself.

[winn dixie]

Bush won every re-count! Even with the Miami area suppressing bags of votes by the Military

[winn dixie]

Originally Posted by billthecat46

Bad for Republicans because it will limit their ability to suppress, disenfranchise, and intimidate Democratic voters. It's true they overcame a lot of obstacles and now Republicans are putting even more obstacles in the way. Restricting vote by mail, limiting early voting days and times, closing polling places in Democratic strongholds all of which will lead to more people voting in person on election day creating long lines of people waiting to vote and they've even made it illegal to hand out water to those waiting in long lines. They do because many of those laws very directly targets groups most likely to vote for Democrats. These laws do in fact target Democratic voting groups. So the fraud doesn't happen but reducing the availability of those drop boxes does create an impediment to voting. Because it creates an unnecessary impediment to voting.

This reads like a lsm headline! Very very misleading and UNTRUE!

[NoirMan]

What part is untrue?

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by NoirMan

If they really wanted to secure their wins, Republicans could always come up with better ideas. But that takes work, and they aren’t trying to go that route.

"Better ideas" such as defund the police, abolish ICE, throw open our borders, make us dependent on foreign energy, hand over Afghanistan to the Taliban, stack the SCOTUS, issue science-denying mandates, poison our children's minds by teaching CRT, raise taxes, debase the dollar and spend us into fucking oblivion???

Are those the "better ideas" you think Americans are clamoring for? If so, you are totally delusional.

Btw - it's called Election Day, not Election Month.

[lolhahaha]

is it time of the year for trash from you race to move into trash dump area

[winn dixie]

Originally Posted by lolhahaha

is it time of the year for trash from you race to move into trash dump area

depends

[eccieuser9500]

Originally Posted by lustylad

"Better ideas" such as defund the police, abolish ICE, throw open our borders, make us dependent on foreign energy, hand over Afghanistan to the Taliban, stack the SCOTUS, issue science-denying mandates, poison our children's minds by teaching CRT, raise taxes, debase the dollar and spend us into fucking oblivion???

Are those the "better ideas" you think Americans are clamoring for? If so, you are totally delusional.

Btw - it's called Election Day, not Election Month.

You don't sound so crazy. But . . .


Children don't go to college, sir. If they can join the military, they also have the option of learning how racist this country is. Until they find out for themselves. If minority.